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A question about Volkl 724 Pro

post #1 of 18
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Hi, I'm looking to get wider skis this season and I'm interested to hear opinions about Volkl 724 Pro. Currently I ski on Volkl P40 GS 193cm, I'm 26yo, 5'11 and about 185 lbs, advanced skier that skies in Pacific Northwest near Seattle. Based on the reviews I'm interested in 724 Pro because they allow to ski in the backcountry as anywhere else on the mountain. What is your opinion or experience with these skis on the powder? Also what length would you recommend? In the old days I skied on 200 cm.

post #2 of 18
I used to have a pair of those P40s too. I think if you like them, you'll love the 724 Pros. I don't think they are the best Powder ski compared to say a Gotama, but they are lightyears ahead of your P40s. Don't go longer than 177.
post #3 of 18
I saw a fellow of mine skiing these in a 191 length- bomber stiff, great edgehold, good in crud according to what he said, not the best midfat for pow though what I could see. Haven't skied them myself.
I am 5'10'' at 170 lb, skied 200+ myself back then and would go with a length in the 180s as an all-mountain ski if I had to take the pick.
post #4 of 18
The 724 Pro is one of those skis Volkl lovers love and others don't. I know a couple very good skiers at Bridger Bowl that use the 724 Pro on everything from powder to ice. They rave about its versitility. I demoed it and found it could ski most everything but I didn't like it on real hard, chatter ice but that was probably because the demo skis didn't have the motion bindings. (My buds say the motion bindings make a big difference on this ski.) My biggest qualm with the ski was how stiff it was which made it a real bear in moguls. Considiering the ski your coming off you probably won't consider it a stiff ski.

PS - I'm your height and 5 pounds lighter. I found the 177cm length to be ideal.
post #5 of 18
I tried the 724 pro and found it to be real stable and neutral, a real confidence inspiring ski, but boring. Not much rebound, they roll from edge to edge without much of a pop. They level crud but don't frolic in it. One man's stable cruiser is another man's dead fish.
post #6 of 18
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Thank you guys for your replies. My original plan was to keep P40 for skiing on the ice and hard pack and to have 724 Pro for everything else including the backcountry. I usually ski at the Alpental, it's about 50 miles away from Seattle. I was wondering if 724 would allow skiing in the backcountry as good as anywhere else.

Also I don't really believe in the theory to buy shorter skis. I was looking for ski boots a couple years ago and was told not to buy big boots. Ski store (REI) measured my foot; I'm size 11.5, but usually wear size 12. So I purchased 11.5 because they told me that the liners would stretch. After skiing with sour feet for 2 seasons I gave up, brought them back and exchanged them for size 12. Anyway this is a little bit off the topic. For some reason it seems like the ski stores are trying to sell the equipment that fits small including skis. I haven’t tried skiing on 724 but I think my length is either 184cm or 191cm, definitely not 177cm, because short skis will not hold the edge on the steep maybe icy slope. Any feedback?



Thank you
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by skyrocket101
but I think my length is either 184cm or 191cm, definitely not 177cm, because short skis will not hold the edge on the steep maybe icy slope. Any feedback?



Thank you
The 165 cm slalom skis used on the world cup carve on the nastiest ice in the history of skiing. The new designs let them carve like a hockey skate. I used to use 207 slalom skis because I got more grip than with a 200. The world has really changed.

That said, I prefer a 180+ ski for powder and crud because of the smooth ride. I use a 170 slalom ski to free ski ice.
post #8 of 18
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The slalom skis are completely different skis that GS or freeride skis, the way they build is to be short and have a good edge grip. I'm skiing in GS style, and the GS skis are good for any type of skiing: short or long turns on groomed slopes, except powder. Also GS skis are outstanding on the ice, because they have great edge grip.
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by skyrocket101
The slalom skis are completely different skis that GS or freeride skis, the way they build is to be short and have a good edge grip. I'm skiing in GS style, and the GS skis are good for any type of skiing: short or long turns on groomed slopes, except powder. Also GS skis are outstanding on the ice, because they have great edge grip.
On a truly icy day, I'll gladly take my slalom boards out before my GS boards. They make a tighter turn shape and ergo allow more speed control.

If any modern ski in any reasonable length isn't holding on ice, its because it either:
-Sucks.
-Isn't tuned properly.

Hell, I'm 210lbs, and I can ski the 165-170 GS skis with plenty of edge grip left over. High speed pointability and tracking are a different thing.

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Also I don't really believe in the theory to buy shorter skis. I was looking for ski boots a couple years ago and was told not to buy big boots. Ski store (REI) measured my foot; I'm size 11.5, but usually wear size 12. So I purchased 11.5 because they told me that the liners would stretch. After skiing with sour feet for 2 seasons I gave up, brought them back and exchanged them for size 12.
You need to find a good bootfitter. Your boots, like most skiers', are too big.

What kind of shoes are you talking about, that you wear an 11.5? My street shoes are 10/10.5, and my skiboots 8/8.5. They fit comfortably.
-Garrett
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
"What kind of shoes are you talking about, that you wear an 11.5? My street shoes are 10/10.5, and my skiboots 8/8.5. They fit comfortably"

I guess maybe I have special feet, but I can't ski in small boots, because it hurts like crazy and fun of skiing goes away. I had to stretch them, also I got custom foot beds, so they are snug without stopping my blood flow or crushing my nails.
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by skyrocket101
I haven’t tried skiing on 724 but I think my length is either 184cm or 191cm, definitely not 177cm, because short skis will not hold the edge on the steep maybe icy slope. Any feedback?
If you ski something really steep and really slick with the 191, you had better hope you have good grip because you'll be doing about 75 mph. They just won't come around quick enough in that size to check your speed.

Nobody needs more than a 184cm in that ski. The 191 is really only practical for truly huge humans or truly huge mountains - in which case you'd probably want to be on a wider ski anyway.
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by troutman
If you ski something really steep and really slick with the 191, you had better hope you have good grip because you'll be doing about 75 mph. They just won't come around quick enough in that size to check your speed.

Nobody needs more than a 184cm in that ski. The 191 is really only practical for truly huge humans or truly huge mountains - in which case you'd probably want to be on a wider ski anyway.
Thank you for suggestion) what length do you ski? And what are you measurements?
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by skyrocket101
I guess maybe I have special feet, but I can't ski in small boots, because it hurts like crazy and fun of skiing goes away. I had to stretch them, also I got custom foot beds, so they are snug without stopping my blood flow or crushing my nails.
Yeah, you need to find a bootfitter.
-Garrett
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by skyrocket101
Thank you for suggestion) what length do you ski? And what are you measurements?
I'm 5'11", 230 lbs. and own a 184cm. Somedays I wish I had the 177cm.
post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by troutman
I'm 5'11", 230 lbs. and own a 184cm. Somedays I wish I had the 177cm.
Could you explain why would you wish that the skis were shorter? I mean in which conditions do you find them too long?
Thanks
post #16 of 18
I have the 724 Pro in a 170 and the tighter sidecut makes them a great ski for variable conditions. Its been said before, but... demo, demo, demo. Especially if you're thinking about changing lengths in any ski.

The 177 was generally regarded as the best length for the 724 Pro and sold out well before the 170 and 184 in most Colorado stores.
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by NZskier
I have the 724 Pro in a 170 and the tighter sidecut makes them a great ski for variable conditions. Its been said before, but... demo, demo, demo. Especially if you're thinking about changing lengths in any ski.

The 177 was generally regarded as the best length for the 724 Pro and sold out well before the 170 and 184 in most Colorado stores.
177 and 170 were by far the most popular in the last demo fleet I dealt with of them.

177/170 literally went out ten times as often as 184.
-Garrett
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by skyrocket101
Could you explain why would you wish that the skis were shorter? I mean in which conditions do you find them too long?
Thanks
A long ski will not really carve a rail in anything but a long radius turn. Once you get a good smooth roller coaster ride of linked arcs going you won't want to work in the bit of skid needed to bring the long boards around. On steeper slopes and tighter terrain, you'll find the fun factor that you find in the big GS turns is still there on a shorter ski.

I was a long ski Nazi from age 15 to 47, claiming that a good skier can make the long skis work. I felt short skis make mediocre skiing easy, but a real skier needs to be able to crank the big boards. Now I think the opposite is true....anyone can haul ass and make good long turns on long ski, but a good skier can do that on short skis as well, while also carving the short turns at slower speeds.

Don't worry so much about grip. Modern skis have enough grip to collapse your legs.
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