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An all around Bump ski?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
I am looking for some advice. I am 6' 4" 215lbs and a high level skier. Currently i ski on Volkl G3's which is too stiff for the bumps. I ski 90% of my days in the east with a few days out west each season. I like to ski moguls about 50% of the time. The remainder is spent skiing trees and groomed trails. I am looking at the Bandit B1 and the Volkl 5 star. The 5 stars get rave reviews everywhere, but i am worried about them being too stiff like the G3's. I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone with experience or opinions on this.
post #2 of 14
I've never skied the 5 Star, but it's supposed to be the same sidecut as the 6 Star, but more "forgiving" which I guess means softer...
post #3 of 14
See if you can demo the Dynastar Legend 6200. I think that has the same dimensions as last year's Intuitiv 74, which I love for the type of terrain you mention. You might even try the Legend 8000, which has a 79 mm waist. It has been raved about by many of the posters here. These will both be biased towards the ungroomed rather than the groomed. I think the Volkl 5 star would be biased more towards the groomed. In the Rossi B-line, I would advise the B2 instead of the B1 if you were committed to that line. I tried the B2 and thought it felt too soft - lots of folks like it though.

In general, I would think a mid-fat would be better than the ski-cross/carving type skis.
post #4 of 14
Be careful of skis with alot of metal in them.

I bent a few pairs of Volkls from bumps and hard wipeouts.

What about twin tips?

I picked up a pair of Salomon 1080s for trees and bumps this year but at your size and level they will be way too soft.

Look at some stiffer twin tips like the Head Mad Trix or Mad Trix Mojo (Mojo is pretty wide for the East though). I know some people like the K2 Public Enemy because they are stiffer then most twins.

I saw some Line Chronics at a ski shop the other day and they had pretty much the same dimensions as a 1080 but alot stiffer without too much added weight.
post #5 of 14
A friend of mine who is an aggressive bump skier swears by the Rossi B1.
post #6 of 14
My advice would be to go for the B1, or even the B2, as always it's best to demo first if you can.

Last season I demoed the B2's (they didn't have a B1 available and as it turns out that was just fine) and and Super Sport 5 stars. I preferred the Rossi's. While the 5 stars were better at carving they lacked the versatility of the B2's, which carved pretty darn well. The 5 Stars were simmilar to my skis (Atomic Beta Race 9.20's) in their ability to lay them over and carve and rip off powerful GS turns, I found them slightly more forgiving than mine, but less powerful and they had less rebound energy. My skis are great for carving (which is what the 5 stars are designed to be good at too), but aren't the best choice in the bumps (too much rebound energy and can be a bit too turny), or in powder/off piste. This also seemed to be true of the 5 stars. The Rossi's on the other hand gripped and carved pretty well (I'd give the Volkl's an 8.5 out of 10 compared to a 7.5 for the Rossis in this category), could handle speed (though not quite as well as the 5 stars), and were much happier in the bumps. I also expect that they would do better off piste.

If you're looking for a great ski for carving and are a strong technical skier the Super Sports are a good choice and should definitely be on your short list to demo.

If you're looking for a versatile all mountain ski that handles the bumps well and is forgiving of lapses in focus (no worries if you get in the back seat from time to time), then the Rossi B series is definitely a good place to start your demos.

I'm a pretty solid technical skier (I actually enjoy taking lessons(upper level group lessons are usually private/semi-private) and doing technique drills (I'll spend 10-15 runs a weekend on that)) and ski bumps about 40%-50% of the time. I love my skis, but I bought them not knowing how much things had changed (they were my first skis since 1986 when good skiers bought consumer versions of race skis for all mountain skiing), they excel at their intended function (carving medium radius GS turns and hauling @ss), they're not bad in the bumps IF I'm on my game (if I get in the back seat they will launch me), and they're definitely not meant for off piste. The 5 stars seemed very simmilar, but less powerful. Between the two, I'd take the Atomics. On the other hand the the Rossis weren't as good at carving, but were much better in other areas and more forgiving, between the Atomics and the Rossis I'd go with the Rossis (or something simmilar).

That's just me, YMMV. Check them out, they're both very good skis, and very different.
post #7 of 14
I ski similar to what you do (east coast skier, 50% bumps, go in the trees some), and I just ski on bump skis all the time. Yes, I give up performance on the trees if there is fresh stuff.. but I love them in the bumps. Another option is to definitely go for the twin tips. I recommend the Dynastar Troublemaker. I don't own a pair, but know a few people that do and ski the bumps.
post #8 of 14
I've also heard good things about the TM's in the bumps and park/pipe, but I heard they were a little lacking in the all mountain aspects. From what I've heard, if you ski like a bump skier all mountain, you'll love em. If you ski like a race-oriented freeskier, you might not be a fan (of course this is outside the bumps). Again, best bet is to demo, but if you are looking for a ski to ski the bumps all day (a bump focused ski), the TM's are probably a very good option to consider.
post #9 of 14
Actually.. if you are looking for a ski to ski the bumps all day, get a bump ski. Dynastar Twister (that's what I use), Salomom 1080 Mogul, or Rossi Scratch Mogul are the more versatile out of the bump only skis (as compared to the Volkl Dragonslayer which is even more bump specific). When I say 'versatile'.. I use the word freely there. Those are still bump skis, and will not ski nearly as well as your all-mountain ski outside the bumps. My recommendation for the Troublemaker was based on the tree skiing comment.

Manus - the stuff you heard about the TM's.. anything from any websites? I've been doing some 'research' on those myself (and how people think they perform on the bumps and eslewhere) and would appreciate links to places where I can read up on them.
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 
thanks a lot to all of you that have responded so far. you've given me some things to think about. i obviously have to narrow down each category. so i guess i'll choose between the B1 and the 5 star. then compare that to one of the bump-specific skis out there.
post #11 of 14
most of what I've heard is from word of mouth and from digging and talking to people on newschoolers.com and freeskiing.com.

While there is a bunch of garbage on newschoolers, there actually is some good info and some informed people, but you have to dig through all the crap the 12 year olds post. The people on the forums of freeskiing are typically more mature, but the forums have less content (younger site), but newschoolers typically is more park/pipe oreinted where as freeskiing has a lot of big mountain/backcountry influence as well (seeing as they are based out of W/B).
post #12 of 14

Second the B1

Originally Posted by warren
A friend of mine who is an aggressive bump skier swears by the Rossi B1.
I ski the Bandit X, same foot print as the B1. It's a great ski for moguls and it does fine on the groomers and for a few inches of pow or crud. Good all around ski.
post #13 of 14
Shorty slalom styles ski differently in the bumps than all mtn. skis. I like it, many do not. I suggest that you try them in the bumps before you buy. Otherwise, most all mtn. skis should be fine, even some of the fat skis. I'm not sure why any non racing ski would be too stiff for someone as big as you?
post #14 of 14
There must be a hundred previous threads on bump skis on this website. search the archives for discussions.

I think that there are many good bump skis out there. It all depends on how the individual skis bumps that determins what ski might be best for his style. Are you a zipperline bashor or do you make 20 turns and stop. Do you ski the tops, sides or zigzag through them.

There are some bump specific skis out there. I have always thought that Dynastar always made the best bump skis but Solomon, Rossignol and Volkl all have contenders.

Then, there are several good midfats out there more suited to all mountain skiing that will rip the bumps as well as any. being more versatile to perform well all over the mountain and in all conditions, I lean more towards this type of ski than any other.

I ski the Rossignol B2 because it's versatile as an all mountain ski, great in deep powder, good on ice, tears up crud, quick turning for trees and is one of the best skis i've ever had for skiing bumps no matter how you ski them. It's damp, quiet, durable and does what you want it too, when you want it to.

That's my opinion for what it's worth.There's so many guys and gals on this site who swear by the brand of ski they're skiing, and will try to suggest what might be good for them and not so much what might be suitable for you as we all ski differently and have different likes. You should demo if you can and go with the best deal that suits your style.
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