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post #61 of 80
The problem is that people get old, acquire wealth, squeeze out a few puppies and get fat. While they may have enjoyed skiing when they were young, now just enjoy "the thought" of skiing. They are "legends in their own mind." How can you compare Deer Valley, or Aspen to Alta or Snowbird? Two different worlds! Both have a lot to offer...it just depends upon what you are looking for in a ski trip. Die hard skiers are a special breed. They are passionate about what they do. For the most part, after spending a day cruising down Silver Fox and Great Scott what do you want to do? Sleep, and dream about a 3' foot dump...not suck down a magnum of Crystal at Little Nells!! These surveys can not distinguish between those who go to a ski resort to mingle after the slopes close, and those who go to resorts to SKI HARD. I prefer the latter.
post #62 of 80
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Originally Posted by Utah49
Wow Deer Valley falling to #3! Heads will roll! Now stay tuned for The rants on Alta not making the top 20 or why Jackson Hole is only #17.

Thats good news Alta is not on that list! We don't need that type of skier around here.
post #63 of 80

Paoli Peaks is missing again!!

I wonder at their methodology. What are the weightings.

oh - Perfect North was missing again too!

Indiana is no where on the lists.

Must be something wrong with the survey.
post #64 of 80
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Originally Posted by Canyons
The problem is that people get old, acquire wealth, squeeze out a few puppies and get fat. While they may have enjoyed skiing when they were young, now just enjoy "the thought" of skiing. They are "legends in their own mind." How can you compare Deer Valley, or Aspen to Alta or Snowbird? Two different worlds! Both have a lot to offer...it just depends upon what you are looking for in a ski trip. Die hard skiers are a special breed. They are passionate about what they do. For the most part, after spending a day cruising down Silver Fox and Great Scott what do you want to do? Sleep, and dream about a 3' foot dump...not suck down a magnum of Crystal at Little Nells!! These surveys can not distinguish between those who go to a ski resort to mingle after the slopes close, and those who go to resorts to SKI HARD. I prefer the latter.

Well said. I think I'm somewhere in between! I thinkthey need a new rating system. To carry that one more step, thye also should have a separate family rating.
post #65 of 80

Rain is a distillation process - no salt in it

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Originally Posted by SnowDog
Makes sense. I would imagine with all that salty rain that the snow ices up quite a bit.
(and the forum software wants some more text beyond the self explainatory title so here is more text)
post #66 of 80
Not to beat a dead horse, but this is one reason why Ski Magazine is such a joke: On line (www.skimag.com), you can now obtain detailed resort rank stats. Three resorts (Deer Valley, Park City Mountain Resort and The Canyons) are within 5 miles/minutes of each other. They are located in one micro-climate. Here are some important comparisons which render this survey complete hog wash: SNOW: DV=13, PCMR=30, The Canyons=42. WEATHER: DV=5, PCMR=16, The Canyons=27. Objectively, these 3 stats. should be identicle for these three resorts. Personally, I am glad that this magazine has no credibility. It is best only to read it when sitting on the head!
post #67 of 80
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Originally Posted by John Mason
(Rain is a distillation process - no salt in it)
I think he was kidding.

Although ... the Dominator wax website does, at one point, allude to salty snow in Japan and BC.

I guess that would mean they have salty lakes, salty drinking water, salty soil, etc.
post #68 of 80
The biggest problem with this list is how they figure it out. They have a bunch of things about a resort that people rate, Snow, Weather, amenities, service, terrain, non skiing activities, etc. Now I am like most of you guys on this board, I am a expert skier who would rather ski a kick butt steep mountain with a shack at the bottom and nobody on it than a crowded place with perfect weather and nice services(whatever that is) However I plan a big ski trip every 2 years for a group of 10-15 people. Not everyone shares my sentiments and some want spas, nightlife, etc. So i can at least somehow see how they rate these mountains. The problem is they rate everything equally, they should have negatives as well. If a mountain is crowded, or has no expert terrain they should lose points. Vail like Whistler has lots of things for lots of different people, and as a result is crowded as hell. We are going to Jackson in Febuary and I cannot believe it was ranked 14, behind Aspen Highlands, wtf is with that. I hear highlands has some good steeps, but seriously everyone I know who skied there said it sucked. Anyone you ask about Jackson gets a glassy look in their eyes and starts going off about the mountain. I rate terrain above all else, ski magazine on the other hand does not. I love Mad River what an amazing mountain, but 17th in the east, that is a laugh. 2000 plus of constant steep picthed vertical on that mountain, sometimes I beg for mercy before I reach the bottom. But to be fair the mountain is garbage for intermediates and beginners, not to mention no snowboarders. Even so there is no way a mountain in Mass and Penn should be ranked above Mad River, that is obscene. Ski is so pitiful they only had one ski over 80 mm in their buyers guide. Of course in the issue we are discussing the have fat powder skis, but they have them as some kind of novelty. I am shocked no Alta, but no Fernie? I hear that mountain is a good all around mountain with a great town, great snow, and it is cheap as hell. I pushed hard for Fernie on our ski trip but the travel ended up turning people off

Alfonse
post #69 of 80

Alfonse - keep it on your list

If you like MRG, Fernie is your kind of place. Plenty of steeps, trees, and bumps to keep you happy. Good resource for info on it: Craig's FAR page. There is an amazing trailmap with photos of most areas/runs. Check it out and I know you'll want to go, not that Jackson is a bad place mind you...
post #70 of 80
yo, 'Fonse,

give 'er up, the ski mags are for the dolts that "have a skiing experience" -- not for people who love skiing in its simplest most athletic and graceful form.

if you like MRG that much and you ever get through Western MT during ski season, you should check out Montana Snowbowl in Missoula MT. you'll feel heartsick at the atmospheric similarities. but you must keep it under your lid, because it is doomed if it becomes Okemo'd.
post #71 of 80
Thanks for the advice guys. I actually had been to that Fernie site, and when the Fernie trip was still being planned I was going to memorize that site. I am a trailmap freak!! As far as Snowbowl nice looking area!. I have heard of it, but never more than whispers. 2600 vert, 300 inches of snow, lots of trees, I am guessing no people, I am there!

Alfonse
post #72 of 80
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Originally Posted by mrryde
OK still no Jay Peak, How does Hunter make it and not Jay Peak. I have been to both and they are worlds apart
It's all about demographics, right? According to what I hear, Ski Mag sends the survey to a small percentage of its subscribers, of which a small percentage decides to participate. The total of participants favoring a particular resort (even with the best rating) must be higher than a certain number to make it onto the list. That actually make sense because I would expect Hunter to draw a much bigger crowd than Jay Peak.
post #73 of 80
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston
I think he was kidding.

Although ... the Dominator wax website does, at one point, allude to salty snow in Japan and BC.

I guess that would mean they have salty lakes, salty drinking water, salty soil, etc.
Evaporation of salt water does bring some salt with it. Rainwater is not "distilled" to the level that bottled distilled water is. Purification by reverse osmosis has become the standard, as it distills cleaner than evaporative distillation.

And yes, there are more salts in coastal snow than inland snow.
post #74 of 80
"Salt" Lake City. Hmmm.
post #75 of 80

where's Alta?

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Originally Posted by Bob Peters
Those are what mine show as well. Interesting that Alta, UT isn't even on the list?????????????????

Bob
We all know Alta sucks...let's keep it that way!:

-steve
post #76 of 80
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Originally Posted by Canyons
Here are some important comparisons which render this survey complete hog wash: SNOW: DV=13, PCMR=30, The Canyons=42. WEATHER: DV=5, PCMR=16, The Canyons=27.
Nice gotcha! I'd love to hear them try to explain that one. But of course really it just shows the pointlessness of surveys.

Q: What's worse than asking advice from an idiot?
A: Asking advice from a roomful of idiots.

And of course we know that snow is actually better most days at the Canyons.
post #77 of 80
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Originally Posted by Canyons
Not to beat a dead horse, but this is one reason why Ski Magazine is such a joke: On line (www.skimag.com), you can now obtain detailed resort rank stats. Three resorts (Deer Valley, Park City Mountain Resort and The Canyons) are within 5 miles/minutes of each other. They are located in one micro-climate. Here are some important comparisons which render this survey complete hog wash: SNOW: DV=13, PCMR=30, The Canyons=42. WEATHER: DV=5, PCMR=16, The Canyons=27. Objectively, these 3 stats. should be identicle for these three resorts. Personally, I am glad that this magazine has no credibility. It is best only to read it when sitting on the head!
I can see how they got results like that.A few years ago, I spent a week in Park City. During that week, I skied each of the above mentioned resorts for one day (I also spent 2 days at Alta, and one day at Snowbasin). If you were to ask me what I thought of the snow at each of the resorts, I would give you different answers for each resort. Part of this was due to the fact that it snowed halfway through the trip, and I had a truly epic day at Deer Valley (you really don't have to fight for fresh tracks when 2/3 of the people who buy lift tickets end up sitting inside all day). However, I was left with the distinct impression that The Canyons needs to make a serious investment in snowmaking since the runs near the bottom of Tombstone express were really rocky (probably due to the low elevation and exposure). Park City had better coverage than The Canyons, but Deer Valley seemed to have the best coverage of all (of course it's hard to compare since I skied Park City before the storm and Deer Valley during the storm).
post #78 of 80
It's well known that Big and Little Cottonwood Canyons create a micro climate that results in great snow. They also have an effect on how storms cross the Wasatach front and drop snow on the backside of the Wasatch. So there are slight differences in the snow quality/quantity at the three resorts and even in different sections of any of the three resorts.

yd
post #79 of 80
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Originally Posted by ydnar
It's well known that Big and Little Cottonwood Canyons create a micro climate that results in great snow. They also have an effect on how storms cross the Wasatach front and drop snow on the backside of the Wasatch. So there are slight differences in the snow quality/quantity at the three resorts and even in different sections of any of the three resorts.
Yah, but not enough to make that big a difference on the PC side! e.g. 12 v. 42!! And I would say truthfully that I think Canyons wins much of the time on the back.

I thought their was a sepertate category for grooming but if not Deer Valley would certainly win for that -- but weather??!?! Makes no sense at all...
post #80 of 80
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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan
And yes, there are more salts in coastal snow than inland snow.
Oh, come on. And where do the clouds from which the snow falls in Colorado get their water? From the 70% of the earth's surface that's covered with salt water, or from the 1% that's covered with fresh water?
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