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Killington opening mid-October????

post #1 of 24
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I was looking at the fall folliage page of Killington's website and found this:


" As Killington prepares for its historic mid-October opening (thanks to the recently expanded and most extensive snowmaking system on the planet), visitors to the killington region may see some white mixed into the autumnal pallete; Killington has opening first ushering in eastern skiing and snowboarding for 41 consecutive seasons"


Is this old, or does Killington really plan to open mid-october this year?
post #2 of 24
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Originally Posted by east_skiier04
I was looking at the fall folliage page of Killington's website and found this:


" As Killington prepares for its historic mid-October opening (thanks to the recently expanded and most extensive snowmaking system on the planet), visitors to the killington region may see some white mixed into the autumnal pallete; Killington has opening first ushering in eastern skiing and snowboarding for 41 consecutive seasons"


Is this old, or does Killington really plan to open mid-october this year?
That has to be old.

They definitely DID NOT open first last year, or IIRC, the year before it.

I hate going up there opening day anyways, lots of yaks with big egos skiing way too hard the first time out with no margin for error.
-Garrett
post #3 of 24
Ware your pads
post #4 of 24
Killington hasn't reliably opened in mid-October since the K1 gondola opened. When they had the double chair, they could ski the Peak and download from a mid-station, but now they need to have top to bottom skiing to open. Last year, they didn't open until mid-November.

John
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by jdowling
Killington hasn't reliably opened in mid-October since the K1 gondola opened. When they had the double chair, they could ski the Peak and download from a mid-station, but now they need to have top to bottom skiing to open. Last year, they didn't open until mid-November.

John
Thats a little bit off the mark.

They did, for quite a while, open mid-oct after the K1.

They did so by trucking you to the Canyon Quad, and having you ski the Glades Triple. The ride back down was the reverse; download on the quad then in the back of the truck to the base.

They have only attempted the "top-to-bottom" thing the past two years.
-Garrett
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by skiingman
They have only attempted the "top-to-bottom" thing the past two years.
-Garrett
But their policy at the moment is that they won't open until they have top to bottom. They had a lot of problems with their pickup truck method. They destroyed a number of trucks and the labor costs are high relative to the number of day tickets they sell. It's tough to reliably blow snow on Lower Bunny Buster in October so I'd give Killington October openings a 50% chance with this new policy. Last year was a complete snowmaking disaster with the latest opening and earliest closing in many decades so I think they'll crank up the guns as early as they can to try to undo all the damage they caused to their traditional first to open/last to close marketing campaign.

Personally, I think they should upload on the Snowdon Triple and cut in a short surface lift from the bottom of the Glades lift up to Snowdon. A 100 yard handle tow up a slightly widened Killink would do it. That would be reliable most years by October 15th.
post #7 of 24
I still believe Killington is going to opt for the top-to-bottom policy, which IMHO is a good one. I also believe they are going to make every effort to open first and open early. The primary reason will be to further promote the All For One Pass and also validate it for those that already purchased it in order to keep them interested for next year. It all depends on the weather though...
post #8 of 24
Didn't Tenney open before then last year? Also I hear MtHood is already open and getting new snow.
post #9 of 24
The top to bottom policy has definitely made early season skiing much more iffy. Trying to blow snow all the way down to the gondola base is a crapshoot much before the 2nd week of November, while good early season conditions can be had in the Glades area in mid October because of the elevation and northern exposure. I personally found the shuttle ride to the midstation a minor inconvienence if it meant getting out on the hill a few weeks sooner.
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by Mac
The top to bottom policy has definitely made early season skiing much more iffy. Trying to blow snow all the way down to the gondola base is a crapshoot much before the 2nd week of November, while good early season conditions can be had in the Glades area in mid October because of the elevation and northern exposure. I personally found the shuttle ride to the midstation a minor inconvienence if it meant getting out on the hill a few weeks sooner.
I don't think we'll see that shuttle again. I think the insurance underwriters probably put an end to that.

John
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by jdowling
I don't think we'll see that shuttle again. I think the insurance underwriters probably put an end to that.

John
Hah, I hope so.

The last year they did it, the stoned-off-his-ass truck driver drove about 200 yards without the rear gate on, despite people yelling and pounding on the cab.
-Garrett
post #12 of 24
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Didn't Tenney open before then last year? Also I hear MtHood is already open and getting new snow.
Tenney had been open early due to the new snow making system they were championing, but it was a very small section of the mountain.

I believe the tiny little area in CT whose name escapes me was the first last year.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by Vt Skier
I believe the tiny little area in CT whose name escapes me was the first last year.
I believe you're thinking of Woodbury
post #14 of 24
The geography of the Canyons and Glades area at Killington make it ideal for early season skiing. Unfortunately, they have no viable means to access it. What they should do would be to install a new lift from the base of the gondola to the base of the Canyons quad. It wouldn't have to be anything fancy, a triple or even a double would do the trick. That way they could open up a lot of terrain in October and still be reasonably sure that they could keep it open. And yeh, I know the beancounters would have to be able to justify the cost of the lift in comparison to the additional business it would generate. The old argument is that the only people that ski at that time of year are the hardcore locals and season pass holders, so the additional revenue would probably be minimal, but after all, this is a resort that has long boasted about being the first to open and the last to close, and if you look at the opening and closing dates over the last 10-15 years, the season keeps getting shorter and shorter, and I don't think it is entirely the fault of golbal warming, either. I have a lift ticket that I keep at my office that is dated June 14th, that was the season they stayed open to June 22nd, and they haven't even remotely been able to stay open even past Memorial Day for quite some time now. I know that a lot of that is due to the sorry state of the American Skiing Co., they just don't have the money to be funding any late season snowmaking. Killington is one of their few resorts that is profitable, but ASC keeps bleeding the money out of there to support their other indescretions. Hopefully that will change, but I'm not holding my breath.
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by bvibert
I believe you're thinking of Woodbury
Last season Belleayre (NY), Woodbury (CT) and two Quebec ski areas beat out Killington by opening on 11/9.
post #16 of 24
Hey, Mac I have one of the June 22nd tickets. I may have one of the Oct 21th ones from that same year. Was that 1996 or 97. We have photo's on the bulletin board at our ski house. I can check this weekend when I'm up there.
post #17 of 24
I think it was 1997, I remember skiing Stowe the weekend before Halloween.
post #18 of 24
I believe it was 1996. There have been years when they have been open for skiing over Columbus day weekend. I also believe that Sunday River opened one year on Oct. 5th. I was up there leaf peeping and was staying at the Snowcap Inn. I was tempted to go and take a few runs, but I didn't have my gear with me. They would have rented me boots and skis, but the thought of spending the better part of the day reading a book in our hotel room on our foliage vacation did not appeal much to my wife.
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by Mac
The geography of the Canyons and Glades area at Killington make it ideal for early season skiing. Unfortunately, they have no viable means to access it. What they should do would be to install a new lift from the base of the gondola to the base of the Canyons quad. It wouldn't have to be anything fancy, a triple or even a double would do the trick. That way they could open up a lot of terrain in October and still be reasonably sure that they could keep it open. And yeh, I know the beancounters would have to be able to justify the cost of the lift in comparison to the additional business it would generate. The old argument is that the only people that ski at that time of year are the hardcore locals and season pass holders, so the additional revenue would probably be minimal, but after all, this is a resort that has long boasted about being the first to open and the last to close, and if you look at the opening and closing dates over the last 10-15 years, the season keeps getting shorter and shorter, and I don't think it is entirely the fault of golbal warming, either.
It would be better to run a lift from where the K-Chair midstation used to be on Cascade up to the top. You'd upload and download on the K1 gondola and ski the new upper mountain chair & the Glades chair. For years, the spring skiing snow pile was on upper Downdraft and they always made June 1. A cheap alternative is to upload/download on the Snowdon Triple. They could temporarily relocate the beginner kiddie handle tow from the bottom of Rams Head to get you from the wrap-around from the Glades (Great Northern) up Killink to the top of Snowdon. I walk that all the time in the spring when they're still running the K1 but have stopped spinning the Snowdon lifts. It's only a hundred yards or so. When they get around to replacing the Snowdon Quad with a high speed quad, they should make sure they can download on it.


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Originally Posted by Mac
I have a lift ticket that I keep at my office that is dated June 14th, that was the season they stayed open to June 22nd, and they haven't even remotely been able to stay open even past Memorial Day for quite some time now. I know that a lot of that is due to the sorry state of the American Skiing Co., they just don't have the money to be funding any late season snowmaking. Killington is one of their few resorts that is profitable, but ASC keeps bleeding the money out of there to support their other indescretions. Hopefully that will change, but I'm not holding my breath.
Actually, all of the ASC resorts operate profitably. They just don't generate enough profit to pay the interest on all those 12% loans.
post #20 of 24
My coach likes to take us to Woodbury in the beginning of the season, o'boy is that an adventure.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity
Hey, Mac I have one of the June 22nd tickets. I may have one of the Oct 21th ones from that same year. Was that 1996 or 97.
I have one of those June 22 tickets. It was 1997.

John
post #22 of 24
To show a profit you have to take in more money than you pay out, and they haven't been able to do that for a long time now. Les Ottens' ego trip put them in a tailspin that they will most likely never recover from. And they can only wish that they were paying 12% interest on their loans. Much closer to 29% on some of them due to default on previous loans.
post #23 of 24
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To show a profit you have to take in more money than you pay out, and they haven't been able to do that for a long time now
Not true, it is quite easy to be cash flow positive and still lose money on paper, as well as vice versa. Spending money in one period often equates to expenses in another.
post #24 of 24
I was by Killington today (9/22/04) no white stuff yet.
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