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What's the better single ski quiver : Bandit XX or Atomic R:EX

post #1 of 15
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I considering buying one of these two skis after skiing both of them (170cm Bandit XX and 168cm Atomic R:EX) this past week at Vail. I'm a 5'7" 150lbs level 8, ski mostly out West, like to ski off-piste, steep terrain and bumps. Thoughts?

edited to change subject title so it make more sense

[ March 17, 2003, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: Prosper ]
post #2 of 15
Prosper, I Have to say you have picked IMHO two vary diffrent skis. First let me say that I'm not a big fan of The BanditXX It's a fine ski. I really wanted to like this ski. I demoed it on 3 diffrent days. I had it in Powder Trees, bumps and on Groomers. I can see why a lot of people love this ski. It does everything You ask of it. The BanditXX is just not my cup of tea. For me the shovel is much to soft. The ski has a vague feeling. I like a ski that Has a more livily feel to it. Maybe The new Rossi B2 would be a better ski for my skiing I haven't demoed that one yet. Now for the R:ex. I have been sking a 177 R:ex for most of this season. I like this ski a lot. On groomers and hard pack it's a wide GS ski. It runs over crud and is pretty good in real powder. It's now a true Powder floater,more of a "Powder Buster". I had it out yeasterday in about a foot of some really heavy vary wet snow. I don't think I could have ask for a better ride then the R:ex For those conditions. The R:ex Is a lot of work in the Bumps. It doesn't like short swing turns. It's a ski that you have to stay on top of or it will let you know whos the Boss. The R:ex is one of my favorite skis, But I wouldn't want it as my one and only ski. For a one ski quiver I would for something That was more versatil. If you like The BanditXX then that might be the way to go. Two other skis that I have Demoed and really like are thge Atomic R11:20 now called the R:11 and The New K2 Axis XP. If I could have only one ski It would be The R:11. I skied this ski in a 170 and it was just fantastic! For me The 170 R:11 and the 177 R:ex make a near perfect quiver.
post #3 of 15
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Utah,
You're right, they are very different feeling skis but they are both billed to do the same things. I definitely found the Bandit XX to be easier to initiate and quicker but also a bit more unstable at speed. The XX was considerably easier in bumps and is much more forgiving. It is probably a bit more versatile overall than the R:EX.

The R:EX, however, is rock steady at any speed and in any condition I had it in. It has such a solid and stable feel underfoot. While the 168cm length was really quite good for short turns and bumps it was still not as quick as the XX. The key to this good short turn and bump performance is staying on top of the ski on the sweet spot (ie do not get in the back seat or you will be punished). I'm sure the 168cm length also helps. Overall, a much more demanding ski. What the R:EX does well, it does much better than the XX and in the things the XX is better at, it isn't that much better.

I thought about the R11 but since I ski more crud and cut up snow than groomers I thought a wider ski would be better for me, especially if I could find one whose short turn and bump performance was pretty good. I'm currently on a 180cm Betaride 9.22 that's about 4 years old (the red skis) and thought both the XX and R:EX outperformed the 9.22 in every aspect. The 180cm length is probably a little long for me. So, that's my dilemma, get the Bandit XX or R:EX as my one and only ski. Has anyone else skied both these skis?
post #4 of 15
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Originally posted by Prosper:
You're right, they are very different feeling skis but they are both billed to do the same things. I definitely found the Bandit XX to be easier to initiate and quicker but also a bit more unstable at speed. The XX was considerably easier in bumps and is much more forgiving. It is probably a bit more versatile overall than the R:EX.

Has anyone else skied both these skis?
Yup.

Up until a week ago, I owned both in the 184 length. For reference sake, I am 5'8", 170 lbs. and a decent skier. You have it figured out. You know what the XX does well, and you know recognize that the REX is a beefier tool. If you like the finesse and agility, but can sacrifice speed, get the XX. If you want to rule the bowls, crud, groomers and anywhere else you can open a ski up, go with the REX.

You might consdier looking at a K2 Axis XP. It really fits nicely between those two models. Also, the B2, next year's XX is a bit fatter (76-mm) waist and supposed to be a bit better at speed. Last, Salomon is offering the X-Scream Spicy-hot and Extra-Spicy ski with 76-mm and 82-mm waists for 2004. Those should be softer than the REX, but give nice float for western snow. The 2004 models will cost more, but might provide a higher level of satisfaction.

BTW...I DO NOT have the XX's anymore. Fun ski, but not enough ski for me.

[ March 17, 2003, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: Bandit Man ]
post #5 of 15
Hi Prosper- I just went through nearly the exact same quandary myself. I was interested in the XX, the R:ex, and the Volant Machete Soul. I would have liked to have tried the K2 Axis XP, but I don't think it is made shorter than 174, and I wanted to go under 170 with such a fat ski. I was never able to find the Volant to demo, but demo'ed the other two, as well as the new B2. I liked the B2 and R:ex (168cm) better than the XX (170 cm), with very similar impressions that you had (I'm 5'8", but only 125 lbs).

I found that the R:ex was just amazing in the back bowls and crud, and held an amazing edge on groomers. The short length, I am sure, makes quite a difference in edge to edge speed- they were not nearly as difficult as I had expected. I ended up finding an incredible deal on them this weekend and bought them (even though I would still have liked to try the Volants, and even though I still liked the B2, the price was irresistable!) The R:ex is certainly wider than what I thought I was looking for at first, but I don't think I will be dissapointed (hope to ski them at Vail this week- 6" of new last night, and more expected all week!!!). Good luck in your decision!
post #6 of 15
BTW...

Skinetsports dot com has/had REX's (168, 177, 184) for $329 New.
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
dp,
You have eloquently stated my thoughts about the two skis exactly. The R:EX is a wider ski than I thought I would want, but after skiing it I found it to be so versatile. The only area I found the XX to be better at was in the bumps and in forgiveness of mistakes and poor techinque. Where did you find your incredible deal? By the way, check out my review of the Machete Soul here www.epicski.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=000453 I don't think you would have liked it very much. Bandit Man, thanks for the info. I'll definitely look into it.
post #8 of 15
Prosper- I found them at Christy Sports in Denver for $329 (the same price that Bandit Man posted from the on-line source in this thread). Actually, they were selling them for $399 (the cheapest price I had seen). But when the salesman tried to ring them up at that price, the computerized register kept spitting back a price of $329! He tried to correct it 3 times, but that is what the register wanted me to pay, I guess, so that's what he sold them for!! I took it as a sign that I HAD to get them!
post #9 of 15
WOW $329 For a new R:ex Thats an excellent deal. Thatsmore then 1/2 off the MSRP. Now if I could find a deal like that on the R:11 I would be set. Got to go now there is 8" to 10" of new snow last night! Got to get afew runs in.
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
Utah49, www.skinetsports.com had 170cm and 180cm R11 for $379 if you're interested.
post #11 of 15
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Originally posted by Prosper:
So, that's my dilemma, get the Bandit XX or R:EX as my one and only ski. Has anyone else skied both these skis?
Prosper,

I own 10-ex in 168 and demo'd XX in 170 (I am a bit lighter than you, at 124 lbs). My opinion - 10.ex (or R:ex). XX was ok, but was a very boring ski, does everything OK, easy to turn, but not much energy. IMHO it also does not require any finess.

Atomics are much more energetic, precise and more fun to ski, likes to carve at high speed in crud like it is a groomer. The only downside is big icy moguls, but XX is not good at it either.
post #12 of 15
I'd say the R:Ex. I haven't skied it though : but I've compared the XX to the G4, which has the same dimensions as the R:Ex and the G4 won big time. The G4 is stiffer / harder to turn than the R:Ex so I'd think the R:Ex may be closer tol what you're looking for.

YA
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
Well, after much calling around to many a ski shop around North America I have been unable to find a retailer who still has the Bandit XX in 170cm. So, my decision has been pretty much made for me. I was leaning towards the R:EX anyway and this certainly confirms my decision. Now the search begins to get the best deal possible.
post #14 of 15
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I just ordered the R:EX with 4.12 EX bindings from Telemark-Pyrenees. I am feeling a little guilty about ordering from a French shop but they gave me the best price and, by far, the best customer service. I got the skis and bindings for 440.64 Euros (about $470US) and shipping was 54 Euros (about $58US) plus mounting and a coat of storage wax. Yup, sad that I don't get to ski again until next season. Anyway, my wife's going to have to move over in bed after the new skis arrive.

Utah49, if you're interested, Telemark-Pyrenees has the R11 with R4.12 binding for 425.59 Euro (about $430US). Seems like a pretty good deal, less than $500US for skis, bindings and shipping.
post #15 of 15
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Originally posted by Prosper:
I am feeling a little guilty about ordering from a French shop but they gave me the best price and, by far, the best customer service.
You shouldn't feel guilty, especially if they gave you great customer service. If MSRP for recreatioon gear in the US wasn't stealing away from people maybe it wouldn't make sense to buy overseas.

And if you really can't sleep over helping France (because of the war I'd assume?) you can always take comfort in the fact that the two owners are from the United Kingdom and Belgium. Or be self-critical and analyze how your self-interest in getting cool skis at a nice price took over your principles [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img] Hmm, where have I seen that recently? US politics? (All politics, truly).

Enjoy the skis, and tell us how you like them!

YA

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[ March 21, 2003, 11:48 PM: Message edited by: Ladede ]
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