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Marker AT vs AT w/ piston.

post #1 of 9
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Is there a significant difference in performance between these two bindings? Actually, considering a P60 Slalom Carver ( the non-FIS version) fitted with the plain Motion AT or Motion AT piston. Which combo would perform better?

The marketing hype says that the piston damping improves high speed smoothness. Does this ski really need the piston?
post #2 of 9
In the US, the AT is only sold with the piston, so I have no experience skiing any of the new Volkls without it. I guess that doesn't really help you out, does it?

How much more $ is it to get the piston? If it's $75US or less, I'd just get it so I didn't second guess my purchase.
post #3 of 9
The pistons I had you could switch it on and off, so if the new ones are still like that it would make sense to get it. I couldn't tell any difference on my 175 5 stars, but a shorter ski could have a little more affect. Seems like any performance difference is subtle though.
post #4 of 9
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That's good! I was hoping it was not fixing a flaw....
post #5 of 9

advantage with piston

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Originally Posted by Westcat
The pistons I had you could switch it on and off, so if the new ones are still like that it would make sense to get it. I couldn't tell any difference on my 175 5 stars, but a shorter ski could have a little more affect. Seems like any performance difference is subtle though.
I think you can't tell the difference in the piston on or off is because you don't ski very often: and are probably a less experienced skier. The first day i was on my new set up at Copper Mt., I toyed with it. On, off, high speed, slow speed, bumps. I felt an immediate difference.
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Originally Posted by phatpow1
The first day i was on my new set up at Copper Mt., I toyed with it. On, off, high speed, slow speed, bumps. I felt an immediate difference.
Maybe you're on a soft flexing or low end ski, you'd probably notice a big difference there.

I just described the experience I had, other skis could be affected differently. There's other factors involved like the stiffness underfoot, length of the ski. Maybe I didn't notice much difference cuz it skied great both ways, I really didn't have much of a preference.

I talked to Volkl before I bought my skis to get their take and they said the difference was not a lot, about 5%, but I should be able to notice it, mainly carving on hardpack. They said I might prefer it without the piston off piste. I guess 5% would be noticeable to some and not much different to others. Conditions where the ski flexes a lot like bumps, or rougher snow at speed you'd probably feel it more.
post #7 of 9
As a matter of clarification here, Volkl has never sold a "Motion" version of Marker's piston technology that could be actively switched on and off. Only the traditionally mounted Marker Piston Control bindings have the little switch in front of the toe.

Nevertheless, I agree with the comment that the binding affects about 5% of the total performance of the ski.
post #8 of 9
That's interesting, there was a switch on the version I had, it was the first year of the 5 Star, so I really don't know what version the binding was. I got them from Cupolo, so maybe they mounted a regular piston control binding? Hmm, certainly looked like other Volkl piston bindings I saw, but can't remember a lot of details since it was a couple years ago.
post #9 of 9
skiing this coming seasons skis (cant remember if it was with the 6* or the k2s tho...) we had the same length of the same ski, one with and one without. skiing them back to back you could notice the difference - it really did make for a smoother ride.

however the question was does the p60 really need it. in reality probly doesnt REALLY need it, but as i say the ride IS smoother, so if you can afford it, i would suggest you go for it....
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