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Volkl Race Skis

post #1 of 10
9/1/04 at 12:24pm
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Why does Volkl make a race ski and a race stock ski that are both in its regular line?

Volkl P60 GC Racing and P60 GC Race Stock
Volkl P60 SC Racing and P60 SC Race Stock

Obviously, the race stock version would be justified in the line if it were just for racers, but the magazine reviews seem to ignore the non-race stock versions and the reviews I've seen for the GC Race Stock describe it as a very versatile and easy-to-use ski in and out of the course. Who would buy the regular version and why would they buy that over the new SuperSpeed?
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post #2 of 10
9/1/04 at 2:05pm

Vilkl

The dimensions are different for each. All P60's

GS race stock 106 67 89 21M radius
GC Racing 108 65 94 19.6M

SC Race stock 116 94 99 12M
SC Racing 120 64 107 (no radius given at my source)

Indications are "Race Stock" still a bit less forgiving than the "Racing".
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post #3 of 10
9/1/04 at 2:52pm
One is FIS legal, And one is for younger racer who ski only under USSA rules
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post #4 of 10
9/2/04 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
One is FIS legal, And one is for younger racer who ski only under USSA rules
Hmmm, why wouldn't a younger racer just use a junior ski. The ski doesn't seem to be marketed as a younger or lighter person's ski. If you're racing under conditions requiring FIS rules, wouldn't you just get your skis directly from the manufacturer or on Proform? It just seems strange to me that both are in the catalog. Also, I doubt sponsored racers are using the same "race stock" as we could purchase.
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post #5 of 10
9/2/04 at 7:25am
Volkl is pretty clear on their web site:

P60 GS Race Stock
FIS limits place stringent control on the sidecuts allowed in racing. For 2004, Völkl will make available its World Cup race stock skis for retailers who cater to racers. The GS Race Stock is as close as you can get to what World Cup racers are using.


P60 GS Racing
The P60 GC Racing brings the ultimate edge grip and stability to the fast-skiing all-mountain cruiser. How? Double Grip construction along with the new aluminum Motion rails give this all-new ski groundbreaking high-speed performance for lovers of groomed snow.

P60 SC Race stock
Like its GS counterpart, the P60 SC Race Stock is Völkl's World Cup slalom weapon for racers only.

P60 SC Racing
For the all-mountain skier looking for the quickest-turning slalom carver available, look no further than the P60 SC Racing. Double Grip construction and the aluminum Motion rails ensure the lightning-quick response that this skier is looking for. Hang on tight to this thoroughbred ride.
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post #6 of 10
9/2/04 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by jjdow
Why does Volkl make a race ski and a race stock ski that are both in its regular line?

Who would buy the regular version and why would they buy that over the new SuperSpeed?
IMO,

1) They need the "race stocks" to sell to FIS competitors that need to adhere to the minumum 21 meter radius.

2) They need the "Racings" to appeal to the cult following that their "P" series skis have had ever since the original P9 almost 20 years ago. Most of these people don't race at all, but they like the firm, stable feel the P skis have been known for.

3) I think the Superspeed is a great ski, but I would put it closer to the GS race stock than the racing in terms of performance. The racing is actually a little easier to ski. In fact, I think it's one of the best models Volkl makes, but the Supersports generate much more fanfare.
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post #7 of 10
9/2/04 at 6:08pm
There are a lot of Masters, club and beer league, and NASTAR racers who would prefer the "detuned" race ski. Atomic has 3 levels of GS skis in their line this year with various amounts of sidecut and stiffness. If they can sell them, more power to them.
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post #8 of 10
9/8/04 at 7:35am
As a "gentleman" skier - I opted for a P60 GC Racing this past spring - It skis wonderfully well, without the need for the necessary heightened awareness of skiing the P60 GS square sidewall - in a 178cm, the GC skis deliberately, great edge hold, smooth arcing (although not as easy at turn entry as expected), and sufficently playful. I've spent 20 hours on them...

Me? 180lbs, fit, 120+ days, 50 year old who teaches kids (under 14) how to go fast.....(On narrow eastern trails - why I opted for such a short GS style ski)

So, you're a very good skier? Not a masters racer? Enjoy skiing with confidence in any conditions? Looking for accurate tools, yet have outgrown the need for full blown race skis? Check out the GC line. Gentleman's skis. (non-Gender).

Very cool.
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post #9 of 10
9/9/04 at 4:13am
their real w/c skis are not 21m.
most are not, they typically range from 23.5ish to 27 meters.
no to say that they dont offer 21m sidewall skis but the actual race room skis are much different.
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post #10 of 10
9/9/04 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by logruve
their real w/c skis are not 21m.
most are not, they typically range from 23.5ish to 27 meters.
no to say that they dont offer 21m sidewall skis but the actual race room skis are much different.
Logruve old buddy,

Did you get my last couple of emails about ski size & bindings?

CW
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