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Ski trivia question

post #1 of 43
Thread Starter 
What do Authier, Dynamic, Hagan, Hart, Hexcel, Kästle, Lange, Molnar, Northland, Spalding, Pre, RD, Toni Sailer, S Ski, Voit, and Yamaha have in common? Does Kneissl belong in the same category?


The third respondant with the correct answers will win a ....
post #2 of 43
They were purchased by Rossignol.
post #3 of 43
Nobody pronounces them correctly?
post #4 of 43
They're all defunct as ski manufacturers.
Bob
post #5 of 43
They had a fiberglass construction.
I think this is the answer.
In reading another post here:
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They were purchased by Rossignol.
Wasn't Pre part of K2?
post #6 of 43
Thread Starter 
Bob Peters wins the prize. although the jury may still be out on Kneissl.

WTFH wins honorable mention.
post #7 of 43
Fun factoid on the Toni Sailer ski.
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The first true fiberglass ski to hit the market was the Toni Sailer, introduced in the early 60's by Fred Langendorf. The ski originally was not intended to be produced commercially--Langendorf, an engineer who happened to be working with fiberglass at the time, simply wanted to make a few pairs for his own use.

The ski was designed in 1959 and was tested that winter by Ernie McCulloch and Lee Streeter. They were so excited about the fiberglass construction that they talked Langendorf into going commercial with his product.

From p102 A Pictoral History of Downhill Skiing, Stan Cohen, 1985
post #8 of 43
post #9 of 43
Darn! I was going to say defunct, but some still make equipment. I didn't know Lange actually made a ski---when was that?
post #10 of 43
As of last year, Dynamics were still being made by Atomic. If who owns the company and stamps the skis out is someone other than the brandname, you can add a few other companies to that list, including Volant.
post #11 of 43
I knew that Dynamic is still producing skis...I know someone that has them and I know a shop that sells them. They may have had a few years when not many(if any) were produced in the US, but I do think that they were still on the market elsewhere.
post #12 of 43
Todo, my coach at ETU, had Kneissl ski's as late as last december.
post #13 of 43
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaska Mike
As of last year, Dynamics were still being made by Atomic. If who owns the company and stamps the skis out is someone other than the brandname, you can add a few other companies to that list, including Volant.
Dynamic I believe is a stand alone that subcontacts production to Atomic. Volant's name and whatever else was aquired by Atomic I believe as a wholly owned subsidiary.

At all events, 1/2 credit to all other respondants on account of my inartfully posed question.
post #14 of 43
Good question, LostBoy! Oddly enough, to answer skier_j, Lange co-produced skis with Dynamic for a short time in the early 70's. Later they made some that just said Lange on them. Hard to know who really makes what skis sometimes, but I'm glad the VR17 name has been revived, The new ones look really nice from the specs and reveiwers comments. Pretty sure VR17 was one of the Lange/Dynamic models. Dynamic produced VR17 before and after that, but not since the early eighties when it became VR27.
post #15 of 43
One more for your "lost brands": Vielhaber, the only ski ever to be manufactured in Scotland.
Kneissl are still operating out of Kufstein, Austria, and according to their website www.kneisslandfriends.com there is a US distributor.
post #16 of 43
Hart coming back? Here.
post #17 of 43
Most of these are well and truly dead (as ski manufacturers), though it sort of depends on what you mean by "dead."

It's not always easy to know what's really happening, but I think:

Dynamic really died, and Atomic just slaps the brand name on skis that are pretty darn close (if not exactly) Atomic skis. I don't think there's an independent "Dynamic" company, except (possibly) as a subsidiary of the same group of which Atomic (and Wilson and Precor ...) is a subsidiary.

As noted, Hart is maybe coming back.

I don't think Kastle really died. It was just acquired by Nordica, who threw away the Kastle brand name. Same thing that happened with Dynafit boots, ESS bindings and some others.

I don't think Dynamic skis were ever manufactured in the US. The real ones were made in France, the re-badged Atomic ones are made in Austria. The re-badged Atomics were, I think, intended for markets where the name would push more product, like France. The Ato-dyna-mics haven't been distributed in the US, though it looks like they're starting this year.

My understanding was that in the '70s Lange actually made skis, licensing the design from Dynamic. That might be wrong, though: they may have just been from the Dynamic factory with different cosmetics.

How about "The Ski"?
Durafiber?
Graves?
post #18 of 43
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Bell
One more for your "lost brands": Vielhaber, the only ski ever to be manufactured in Scotland.
Kneissl are still operating out of Kufstein, Austria, and according to their website www.kneisslandfriends.com there is a US distributor.
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post #19 of 43
Nice list. I've been on eight of them. Add True Temper to the list

The best pair of skis I've ever had are Dynamic Mystics I picked up on ebay for $160. Good all mountain and make better GS turns with more stability than my race stock 9.22's. I can't quite figure out what Atomic they are but the shape is like the R10 or 11 and construction like TM 18. They say "made in Austria" in very small print. I saw other two pairs in Europe last year, both on the feet of people who could hardly ski.

I also saw some very modern looking Kneissl Red Stars, but only in Austria.

.
post #20 of 43
Add Mercury to the list - they were Hart knock-offs, as I recall.
post #21 of 43

More dead ski companies

some more ski companies that are long gone--- 1960's and up

Attenhofer
Holzner
Persenico
Sarner
Lamborghini
Veilhaber
Fritzmeir
"S"
Erbacher
Voit
Durafiber
Lovett
Maxel
Struele
Pure Gold
Krystal
Graves
Molnar
Spalding (Persenico)
Authier/Lange/Zurbriggen/Vampire
Hexcel
Pre
Olin
Hagen
Pale
RD
Hart
The Ski
Phoenix

kastle>nordica
dynamic>atomic
volant>atomic
Kneissl> barely alive

more to come....
post #22 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by teachskiljp
Fun factoid on the Toni Sailer ski.
Just read recentlly that a Japanese ski maker who's name is escaping me claims to have made the first fiberglass ski. (Maybe production ski?). Wonder who is right?
post #23 of 43
Plenty of Dynamics (Din-a-Mick) here, very weird shape, nothing like any atomics I've seen. They make a black slalomy thing, and a yellowy-mustard GS-y thing, and they come with the bindings and risers already on (they wrap plastic around the lot). Very fat tips.
I have a pair of Attenhofers in my laundry! The base material is all gone (appears to have been a waxy red substance) and the edges are bolted on. They're all warped. When my mother skiied them, they were new. I'm going to clean them up and maybe put them on the wall.
post #24 of 43
Here's another trivia question! What do Stockli skis and Ogasaka skis have in common?
post #25 of 43
Has anyone, besides me, seen the "new" Olin Mark IV on display in any shops?
post #26 of 43
olin still makes skis www.olinski.com/
post #27 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjjohnston
My understanding was that in the '70s Lange actually made skis, licensing the design from Dynamic.
True story, they were badged as Lange Dynamic. Lange made their own skis as recently ( : ) as the mid-eighties. Where a GS ski was typically the better powder ski, the Lange Slalom was much better in anything soft. The GS ski was a blast on hardpack, but a submarine in powder. Lange also had a model to compete with the other upper-crust skis of the time - Pure Gold, Lacroix, etc. - called the Sybarite.
post #28 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by ant
Here's another trivia question! What do Stockli skis and Ogasaka skis have in common?
Do tell.
post #29 of 43
Gart sports had some Dynamics last year, there are still some there this year.
post #30 of 43
Reminds me, TSA has started pulling out winterstuff.
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