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post #31 of 54
I usually quit the 2nd week of May. Which is early for a Mammoth skier.
post #32 of 54
Is Mammoth still open on the 4th of july?
post #33 of 54
Yeah, Mammoth...My hill should shut down a lot earlier, they burn a ton of coal for the electric to make the snow. It's crap easy hero snow slow easy to carve with bare spots. I can't help myself, but I guess there's good reasons not to encourage skiing late season at Whitetail. Makes more sense to go west. I skied the 1st week in April at Park City 1983. It didn't snow, but the bowls remained lightly tracked. A bit heavy but nice 10 inch powder. No bumps, I heard my skis once. We had a blast on straight 203 and 190 slaloms, fixed heels, almost no experience in deep snow, but it worked. Wish I could go back there now. I think I will try this spring, though I guess PC might be getting more tracks now 20 years after. March madness more recently, fresh but feeding frenzy, tracked out in one day. Now I think locals will track out anything near lifts even in April? Probably it might not snow in April and I love spring snow but get spring conditions all winter at Whitetail. So if I can take a vacation I lean towards Feb, March to get a couple powder runs if it snows...

Can I ski powder in April? If it does snow, are there much fewer tracks? (Is it still like 1983?). I think JH has to close when the forest service contract expires. Where is it a good bet for powder starved tourist to spend his hard earned cash in April instead of March or Febuary?
post #34 of 54
Originally Posted by Scalce
I am more worried about tourqing my knee from it getting unexpectantly suctioned which you cannot always avoid regardless of technique. I don't push snow as I leave that to the snowboarders.

I'm healthy now so it's not an issue this year.

What Northeast area have you skied at that had 100% coverage the last day?
Scalce. I didn't mean to characterize your technique. I have been nursing a foot injury the last year or so and know what it means to have to be careful.
As to your question, I taught skiing at Waterville Valley in the early and mid 90's. I might even have some old video around from some of those last of the season days when maybe 5 or 6 of us plus maybe a half dozen "civilian" pass holders were skiing the mountain. I remember how astonished we were. These were days in mid April when the mountain was completely covered, no bare spots, the sky was that incredibly intense blue, the snow was about as perfect as could possibly be, short of deep dry powder (which we never get here anyway). Even most of our fellow instructors had stopped showing up. I don't think we get conditions like that much anymore, even with favorable weather (which we did not have last season). Ski area managers have learned their lesson I think and stop blowing snow around the time of President's weekend, if not well before. It just doesn't make sense to build up that kind of base when skiers stop coming sometime in February or March, regardless of conditions. I used to work the Boston Boat Show, selling boats during the third week in February. You would be amazed at the number of people from the Boston area (our primary market) who are convinced that the skiing is over by then, or almost so! I recall so many remarks to the effect that "Well the skiing must be pretty much over up there (in New Hampshire) by now". I used to try to explain that there were 2 more months of good skiing left but from the looks on their faces I might as well have been describing green cheese on the moon.
post #35 of 54
Since I have an ASC season pass this year I am sure I will be skiing until the lifts stop.

Another reason I didn't like Spring skiing was the almost full price lift ticket for terrain that was not fully covered.

I think alot of people don't feel like driving 2-3 hours, paying $50-60, and then skiing in slush in the afternoon.

Bretton Woods was really sketchy last year with reporting trail conditions.

I don't like skiing there anymore anyway because I have long outgrown their terrain.

It is a great place for never evers up to intermediates but not for true advanced and expert skiers.
post #36 of 54
Originally Posted by Scalce
Since I have an ASC season pass this year I am sure I will be skiing until the lifts stop.

Another reason I didn't like Spring skiing was the almost full price lift ticket for terrain that was not fully covered.

I think alot of people don't feel like driving 2-3 hours, paying $50-60, and then skiing in slush in the afternoon.

Well it could be worse. You could have paid $65 to ski about 20 runs at Tremblant when they said 82 were open.

I actually got an email from Micheal Dalzell, "Director of Marketing Tremblant". Asking me not to report that to the masses in my "daily honest ski report". :
post #37 of 54
So did you report it?
post #38 of 54
I ended my season at Reggae Fest at Sugaloaf last season (4/18/04). The conditions were variable - slush, ice, mud, rocks, dirt. It didn't matter to me how messed up the surface conditions were; the weather and Sugarloaf atmosphere made it so much fun. The variable conditions actually added a bit of increased challenge. I fell in love with 'da Loaf that weekend.
post #39 of 54
Did you get a Bag Burger?

Everytime we go there we have to get one at the Bag & Kettle.

Their cheeseburger soup and pizza is also good.

I love going to Sugarloaf.
post #40 of 54
I love it early season, mid season, spring and summer! Started in mid November. Skied the last day at Baker the end of April, last day at Whistler in June and finished with a couple days early and mid July at Timberline. I don't see why people lose interest but they do. Two months to get back in shape!
post #41 of 54
Hey Bryan, wasn't there a small river cutting Grand in half by late March? (Grand is what I would call the "main" run at Bousquet). Perhaps we could build a Bridge, and ski longer in the season.

It's a combination of things, but scant coverage is the problem in the East and MidWest.

I've skied May 10 at Mt. Bachelor. It was pretty nice for where I went (the kiddie runs, haha). It was icy at 8 am when the lifts opened, but it got soft and was a beautiful thing! But they closed the whole place at 1 pm. I was enjoying myself one moment, then boom! Closed for the day.:
post #42 of 54
Last day for me is usually Patriot's Day weekend in mid April. When they're running the marathon in Boston, I'm up at Sunday River getting my last licks in grinning ear to year. Last year did 26.2 miles on the chairlift in one day. Wasn't gonna' let those skiing guys in sneakers go further than me.
post #43 of 54
Was Sunday River open that late last year?
post #44 of 54
Originally Posted by Bob Peters
Bear with me while I air a pet peeve.

Why is it that everyone gets so excited about Opening Day? (I'll admit, of course, that I'm just as bad about this as anyone. )

We get all jazzed for the lifts to finally open. Hordes of us go out on a cold, dark, November (or October or December) day, ski some basic runs that have manmade snow with hundreds or thousands of our brethren, scratch around on the ice and stand in liftlines. The off-piste sits brown and rocky and uninviting. The sun goes down practically before the lifts close in the afternoon.

MEANWHILE, at the other end of the season, Western resorts tear their hair out trying get skiers to come visit in April. The skies are blue, the sun is warm, the days are long, there's usually tons (and tons) of snow, you can ski in lightweight clothing, and it's just delightful. But no one comes.

Other than offering a relatively good shot at powder, spring skiing is better and more fun by practically every yardstick you might name. But no one comes.

Why is that?

Bob, I was having the same thoughts and venting the same pet peeve last season in April.
On Easter monday I went to ski, tons of snow around, even skied off-piste.
And thought, well, this can go on at least until may.
Well, on april 25th I went skiing to the same place, less people around, of which I was really happy, but conditions made it clear that the snow wouldn't have hold another week.
Plus, with the nice weather coming, everybody here starts to go to the seaside!
post #45 of 54

Sunday River last year

Originally Posted by Scalce
Was Sunday River open that late last year?
I think SR actually closed the weekend after Pat's Day last year (although I can't imagine much was left). On Pat's Day weekend, only the Barker Quad was running. The main runs on Barker and Locke plus a couple runs on the bottom half of Spruce were open. There was a fair amount of cover if you wanted to hike to the other areas. I just think business was so slow it wasn't worth it for them to push enough snow around keep the connecting trails open.
post #46 of 54
never stop until they throw you off the mountain and there is not 1 patch of snow left !
1st time i skied was at Abasin in June. only the top part had any snow and you had to be a decent skier to enjoy it at all, but i knew i had found something good then and was back next season and skiing top to bottom the 1st day.
post #47 of 54
A large proportion of skiers are once- or twice-a-year skiers.
My friends who fall in that category are quite surprised when they are told that I just came back from awesome skiing at Tahoe in late March. Never mind the conditions, the first question they ask is usually "you mean that they still have snow up there???"

Uh... yeah, there's skiable snow up there till June! (Although most resorts close in late April.)

The only people left skiing till April are mostly hardcore skiers and boarders, and as someone else pointed out, just by themselves they don't generate enough revenue to keep the resorts open.
post #48 of 54
That's because by opening day, I have been couped up indoors for a couple of months. Weather too bad to cycle, but no snow to ski.

By Spring time, though the skiing remains great, I am drawn to my bikes and wheels to pavement.
post #49 of 54
Originally Posted by Bonni
Hey Bryan, wasn't there a small river cutting Grand in half by late March? (Grand is what I would call the "main" run at Bousquet). Perhaps we could build a Bridge, and ski longer in the season.
Your memory is excellent. There was a river and if you remember the river was down 3 feet from the top of the snow. George had enough snow to stay open thru mid april. But if you also remember there were only the patrollers skiing. And since patrollers are such a cheap bunch (what??? Pay for a lift ticket, you've got to be kidding.) He didn't see any advantage to staying open.
post #50 of 54
I've skiied closing day (or Last Saturday) at Jay and/or MRG the last several seasons. Sometimes few trails are open but last year closed at Jay they were only runing the Jet. Skiied the woods (Kitz and Timbucktu). All day people were hiking to do CanAm. I finished the day skiing to Northway and hiking to the top of the flyer and skiing Beaver Pond (my usual last run of the day). Coverage was great but only season pass holders so they only ran one lift.

Two years ago MRG was 100% open, only running the single (which is all they needed) but I made a trip all the way to periwinkle, on closing day and 2001 they were in great shape on April 28th (again only the single)

Thought about a trip out west for easter break but few resorts said they would be open the week following easter.
post #51 of 54
I've been at Killington for 25 years. I typically ski until the resort shrinks down to just the Superstar trail with nothing else walkable. From the top of that quad, it's only 10 minutes to walk up 'Launch Pad' to get to the rest of the mountain. Last year was the worst ever and I hung them up after the last weekend in April. I've skied Squaw in May a number of times and it's fantastic. I've also been to Squaw for the 4th of July and I've been up on the Blackcomb glacier in the summer several times. Spring skiing rules. Soft corn snow. Warm sunny weather. Tailgate parties. I'll often do more hanging out than turns but that's part of the enjoyment.
post #52 of 54
I tried to go until the last of the snow avail was gone but some accident stopped me.
post #53 of 54
Last year ABasin made it until July 2. I just happened to have the day off, and went up with my daughter, not even knowing that it was closing day (they had announced they were closing on the 4th). Skiing was limited to what a patroller friend calls "The White Ribbon of Death" -one run from top to midway- but it sure was fun. We skied until about 12:30, then went and had lunch in Breckenridge sitting by the river. This year I was there closing day again, but they made it only to mid-June.

I was hiking up at St Mary's Glacier about 3 weeks ago and wish I had brought my skis. I still haven't skied in August....

Heal quickly, dchan! We are expecting you at the ESA!
post #54 of 54
Well folks, as usual, by the time I get around to posting, this thread has grown so long that I doubt many of you will make it all the way to the end to read mine, but I'll nevertheless go ahead and chime right in.

It's hard to say whether it's the other easier, warmer springtime sports, just cumulative soreness and fatigue from skiing, reluctance to risk an expensive trip later in the season for fear of getting skunked, etc., probably a combination of all these and other factors. Whatever their various reasons are, most people tend to lose interest in skiing much, if at all, after about early April. It's a real crying shame.

My buddies and I love the opening rites of winter as much as anyone. In all but the most exceptional seasons, even here in the Wasatch Cottonwoods, usually November conditons are marginal at best. Still, it's always fun as Hell to get up there, meet and greet folks who you haven't seen much in 5 months, and veerrryy carefully get in your first turns on sparse, thin, often hard snow. But I've always said that the real meat and potatoes of the season starts with the first good solid post-Thanksgiving holiday mess cleanup dump.

It's really too bad about the drastic misperceptions of late spring and early summer conditions. Here in Utah, powder dumps are common in May. Snowbird stays open full time, partial mountain through about mid-May, part time through Memorial Day, with beautiful conditions. And the weekend parking lot parties are, well... I'm sure you get the idea...

For that matter, there are all kinds of places all over the west that are fantastic in the late season. Yeah, being in the right places at the right times, between the morning ice and afternoon goooo, avoiding unstable snow, rocks, bare spots, etc., does require some practiced knack - part of learning to ski. We've all seen it snow a foot up high into June, and we all have our heroic-ego-corn snow stories.

I gratefully ski the full season, love and appreciate it all. For the most part, I'll take May conditions over October and November. More than a couple of times, friends and I have actually skied places like Snowbird, Mammoth, Hood, Whistler, etc. on the 4th of July - yes, with a tram and/or a lift or 2 running - with better snow (in the morning of course) than we saw 8 months earlier in November. Lack of crowds is refreshing at times, but it seems sad for something this beautiful to be offered, without enough takers to continue operating.

If you're ever in the SLC area in May (or anytime) and want to extend your season, don't be shy, drop me a line and I'll be happy to show you around.


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