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Atomic Neox Binding and Metron B5

post #1 of 16
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I'm looking at buying the Atomic Metron B5 with the Neox binding. I found this link that describes how the binding works. Very hi tech.

http://www.dynastream.com/news/view/18/

Hope the article is of interest.

I currently ski 165cm Pocket Rockets for deep snow days and 160cm Atomic SL9 as my all around ski. The Metron B5 seems like a marriage between the two.
post #2 of 16
The electronics are on the EBM6.14 & EBM4.12, you can get the Neox for less in the NEOX 6.14 or 4.12
I beleive they both come in the 3.10 also.

Thinking about grabbing a pair myself. Skied on them at the end of last year, and liked them, but the conditions were horrible, wet heavy and bad visibility. Oh wait a minute? I was in the Pacific Northwest, I guess that was an average day here!
post #3 of 16
The electronic versions of the Neox sells for hundreds more than the other Neox models. They are a geewhiz toy for the Bogner crowd. You'll see very few on the mountain this year.
post #4 of 16
That's why I want them so damn bad.
post #5 of 16
I'm sitting in the home town of dynastream right now. Also home of Leeroy but trust me that's coincidence. These guys did the critical sending devices between toe and heel. They also are doing Suunto's new sending devices on training/heart rate computers.

The Neox electronic is pretty cool and probably the way of things to come. May be awhile for it to take off though. Nothing wrong with being on the front of the wave though.

The binding has the ability to download stress values on the binding to a computer. It should afford some worthwhile data in the case of accidents to download the stress application just prior to. Kind of like a plane's black box.

The other feature for rental and liability issues is the ability to uncover tampering. As in the binding was set wrong and I'm suing your ass. It can now become, ' the binding left the shop Fri morning at this setting, Saturday afternoon someone reset the DIN while it was in your possession.

I think they'll run about $1000can this season.
post #6 of 16
The only real safety feature I see in the Neox EBM is the light that tells you that you have too much snow on your boot. The data recording is nice but of little use to most of us.

The list price on the standard Neox 412 is $299 US so it will sell for around $240 here. The list price for the Neox EBM 412 is $1099 so it will probably start out around $800 to $880 in the local shops. Thats a lot of money for a light to tell you your boots have too much snow.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by Rio
The only real safety feature I see in the Neox EBM is the light that tells you that you have too much snow on your boot. The data recording is nice but of little use to most of us.

The list price on the standard Neox 412 is $299 US so it will sell for around $240 here. The list price for the Neox EBM 412 is $1099 so it will probably start out around $800 to $880 in the local shops. Thats a lot of money for a light to tell you your boots have too much snow.
It also tells you that you are locked in and that your forward pressure is set correctly. I love you guys that fight progress. You probably just bought "parabolics" last season and try to connect to the web with an abacus! Sorry for being a smarta_ _. Just can't help myself sometimes. did I really call them parabolics?

What is wrong with using microchip technology in a ski binding? It is not the only choice on the market. if you don't like don't buy it by why all the negativity?

I think it sounds cool. Of course one of my nicknames is "Inspector Gadget" definetly a gear whore! Can't wait to try a pair!!
post #8 of 16
I'm not fighting progress. All I'm saying is that at $600 or more for the extra features they become a rich boy toy. I would love to see something like the light saying you're locked in right and have the right forward pressure on my bindings but its not worth it at current prices.

Personally, I think Atomic is making made a huge mistake in marketing. They really need to improve their binding's image. (Personally, I've avoided Atomic skis due to bad experiences with them skiing rough crud.) They need to get their EBM feature available to the masses. I would think the cost would go down to something more affordable if they mass produced it.
post #9 of 16
I have been happy with the non EBM Neox bindings on my Metrons.

I set my DIN on 7 because of my knee surgery only being slightly over a year ago.

I had tons of prerelease in the bumps on my old R11s with the 412 bindings.

I know Teddy from Summit ski and snowboard said a bunch of people that went to Atomic's factory thought the new Neox bindings released alot in powder.

I guess it just depends on who you speak too.
post #10 of 16
Here we go again on the Atomic binding issue which has been beat to death on other threads. I have 23 pair of 6.14's & 10.18's in my garage. My 2 boys & I probably get 80 days in a season.

No prereleases in the race course or otherwise!

Everyone said the same thing horrible crash. She came back & skied Marker.

Anyway, The EBM will probably come down in price as time goes on and other companies will most likely jump on the bandwagon with something similar in the near future, so the price probably will come down.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by L7
The binding has the ability to download stress values on the binding to a computer. It should afford some worthwhile data in the case of accidents to download the stress application just prior to. Kind of like a plane's black box.
Any chance of a prosumer-level download rig based on Bluetooth and software drivers, something fancier yet, or is this going to be protected by Atomic?
post #12 of 16
I've have two pair of skis with Atomic 412 bindings and I've never had them pre- relaease. I keep reading about the issues and problems with these bindings. I'm starting to feel pretty wimpy that I continue to get held in. I have had Salomon's over the years and as much as I liked the wings of the toe piece securing the front of the boot, I developed wobble and movement with the toe wings. Quite a few years ago the 555's rollers would wear and the same wobble would occur. To this day when I ride the chair lift I will twist my feet to check if I have any play in the toe piece of my binding. I hated that about the Salomons.
post #13 of 16
My 412s were cool up until last March.

Up until then I never had an issue.

I know some Atomic reps told me there was a piece in the heal that could wear out or break.

Only in the 412s though.

I still love Atomics and Atomic bindings.
post #14 of 16
I'm new here so here is my opportunity to contribute:

I make a leaving designing medical electronics devices with RF, DSPs etc.
I actually considered developing electronic bindings myself and did some research. From interviews with ski technicians, I came to the conclusion (also from many personal wipeouts) that mechanical bindings are very reliable and that only real pros and racers may need something better.

Rio is right, Atomic Neox EBM is just a gadget. They are not using electronics to actually control the release. See details on http://www.alpenreus.nl/content/images/artikel161103.htm.


Here is something on “true” electronic bindings, worthwhile reading for those of you interested in progress and things to come: http://www.dantonioconsultants.com/prod_sp_ski.htm#.

DAR
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by bolide
Any chance of a prosumer-level download rig based on Bluetooth and software drivers, something fancier yet, or is this going to be protected by Atomic?
I'm not sure. I'm sure I know people who know but not so sure they'd tell me. The dynastream gang in particular is very close lipped.

As for 'gadget' I guess everything new is a gadget until they become mainstream. Kind of like those exotic parabolics or SUVs or anything else that gets funny looks at first. The release is mechanical the electronics are more like the check list your car goes through when you turn it on. (I'm guessing that was gadget status once too). It's a start and like Atomicman says they'll be lots more of this sort of technology I'm sure. Nothing like leading the start of a wave. I'm guessing Wozniak and Jobs felt that way when people joked about those Mac gadgets they started making.

Marketing..... Do you remember when clipless pedals first hit mountain biking. Mid eighties I'd say and they were made by Look. They dissapeared but they were a hit for road riders. Now they're pretty main stream on Mtn bikes but it's all Shimano and others that jumped in later. No use biting off too much too soon.

The EBM binding was totally a by product of the efforts to design a new binding. Atomic worked with the University of Salzburg and University of Calgary which is where the Cochrane guys came in. The original goal was to find a sendor unit to download data directly to a computer and stresses of different types were encountered. The technology was a byproduct of that.
The new binding will close securely with 8mm of snow under the heel and needs less pressure at a given DIN to close than a Salomon I believe. I'm not sure where powder problems would occur. Wiegle heliskiing started testing them in earnest last spring.
post #16 of 16
I don't think anybody is claiming the electronics are controlling the release, they just monitor a lot of other functions that can affect release that most people pay no attention to. I can see how that could be valuable information, I see people that don't even kick the snow off their boots. Granted they are too expensive at this point, but most electronics come down in price pretty fast, the marketplace will eventually determine how much people are willing to pay for the technology.
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