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Ski shop lunacy

post #1 of 14
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This quote made me remember some really stupid stuff:

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Originally Posted by TJBrk
Yesterday I pulled alittle experiment at the Salomon shop on the mtn. They got in all the 05 skis. They have all new employees so nobody knew me. I played dumb intermediate skiing American. The shop guy never asked me what I like to ski. Where I ski, or how I do in bumps trees, hard snow, soft snow etc. He just grabbed the new gear issue of Ski. Walked over and grabbed the most expensive ski on the wall. Salomons Equipe 10 SC Pilot with the price tag of $1596CAD. He had the page marked on the mag to show me. I could have punched him right then an there. }:-{
A ski shop employee, just by looking at me, told me that the Rossi B2 was "the ski for me". Two minutes later, after finding out a few details, his recommendation changed to the Atomic SX-11. He then said that the B2 was not just inappropriate for me, it was not much of a ski at all, and given our "conversation" I would probably dislike it. To his credit, he was somewhat correct -- I don't care for it most days.

At another shop, EVEN BEFORE I SAID "HELLO", some punk took one look at me and asked if I wanted to upgrade my boots from my ancient rear loaders!

Another time: boot shopping. Again, without asking anything, just measured my foot and brought out a pair of beginner's boots. They were mighty embarrased when I asked if they were better than my current boots.....
post #2 of 14

actually

that happens here all the time; someone asks which ski is for them and BOOM, everybody's making suggestions based oftentimes on nothing more than how THEY like the ski.

i know i'm comparing apples and oranges here, and very true, that should not be happening in a shop, but there is something about skiers and skis that, it seems to me, makes skiers recommend THEIR skis in almost pavlovian fashion.

it's funny more than bothersome, though yeah, if i walked into the shop and got that, i'd be pretty vocal about my displeasure at the greed and/or sheer laziness.
post #3 of 14
This isn't true in every shop. There are a lot of ski shops that have integrity and know thier stuff.I expect it more prevalent with big box retailers then small local ski shops. The ski that will get recomended the most is the one with the biggest factory to retailer incentive. Dealer then passes on some of that incentive as a bonus commission to the sales guy.
post #4 of 14
Alot of times at the shops here I toss out stuff that is completely wrong waiting to see who knows their schit or not. When somebody starts agreeing with my wrongful statements. I know right off to warn people about them.

Last year I took one shop off of my website and warned another I was about too because they were just trying to pad their commission, and were selective about who they gave good service too.

I pass out alot of cards everyday on the mtn when people mention that they might need something. I send them to people I trust. The shops give them 10% additional off, but more importantly they don't BS them and give them good service. Otherwise the word of the keyboard gets out very fast.


To answer your question. No I don't get anything for it. The karma is good enough for me.
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by Utah49
The ski that will get recomended the most is the one with the biggest factory to retailer incentive. Dealer then passes on some of that incentive as a bonus commission to the sales guy.
And watch out for those trade-in offers. They'll jack em up to make you think they're givin ya a great deal, but then make up for it on the price of the ski.

Wait a minute, what were we talkin about? : Never mind.
post #6 of 14
BigE - If you came into our shop with rear entry boots, I too would suggest an upgrade. Maybe even before you said hello. Gotta love the guys with SX90s that want to demo a Six Star.
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by @mammoth
BigE - If you came into our shop with rear entry boots, I too would suggest an upgrade. Maybe even before you said hello. Gotta love the guys with SX90s that want to demo a Six Star.
No offense. But there are some big names, and general skiers out there that still keep the old SX rear entry boots. They've upgraded to new liners, but still keep the same shell. Names you would be shocked to hear about actually.

But those names do mostly BC work where comfort is the key issue.

Actually with the new cuts of ski's today I look for the rear entry boot to come back in another form. Dalbello is close with one boot type. K2 has the molds of the older Flexon's. Should be some interesting findings coming out soon.
post #8 of 14
Actually, I am aware of some of those die hard SX91 Equipe users out there. Why do you think I would be shocked? Why they are not in a Megaride or Adrenalin is beyond me. The guy demoing a modern carve ski with a flower pot is really limiting the skis performance. Not to mention those old rear entrys are ripe for an on hill shatter, and most have nothing close to a din norm left. Ya, the K2 rollerblade boot with Flexon tounge is supposed to ski quite well.
post #9 of 14
Different strokes there folks, some of the rippenest skiers at Bridger Bowl still covet the Force 9 and force 93 boots, a good skier doesn't need a stiff, tight boot to ski powder.

I finally gave up on the force 9s last year even though I have a pair in cherry shape, I swithced to Garmont G-rides, about the same level of performance, better fit, lighter, warmer, vibram sole.
The moral is, don't judge the skier by the boots, judge the turns.

Utah49, who is the top shop in P.C. these days, Jans, Coles, or someone else?
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by @mammoth
Actually, I am aware of some of those die hard SX91 Equipe users out there. Why do you think I would be shocked? Why they are not in a Megaride or Adrenalin is beyond me. The guy demoing a modern carve ski with a flower pot is really limiting the skis performance. Not to mention those old rear entrys are ripe for an on hill shatter, and most have nothing close to a din norm left. Ya, the K2 rollerblade boot with Flexon tounge is supposed to ski quite well.
shatter LOL. Ya I've seen a few do that. But mostly it is tecnica boots I see shattering here mostly. Alot of the Explosives series don't last a bitter cold day here. Tecnica is pretty good in the warranty dept.

I'm excited about K2's new boots since they purchased flexon molds. Man those boots were comfortable and performed.
post #11 of 14
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't K2 going to be releasing a Seth Morrison Pro Model boot based on the Flexon?

Furthermore, back to the original topic, I love when ski shops have service/fitting garantees, I always have to test them. One of the shops by me "Garantees a perfect fit" with boots, so I went in, and asked for a fitting, well needless to say the only thing that came close to fitting my foot/lower leg was a Dalbello beginer boot, I said no way, I'm a type 3+ skier, with years of instruction and PSIA certifications, this boot will not hold up. They still claimed they met their garantee even though I could almost bend the boot in half.

Many other shops have seen me walk in, and try to push some middle of the line equiptment to me. Usually after talking for a little bit, they end up walking away and making sure no one else helps me (because they screwed up so badly).

However, over the years I have learned where to go and who to talk to for what and have found some very good shops that have given me solid advice on equiptment and taken the time to really go through a thorough fitting process (boots).
post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by @mammoth
BigE - If you came into our shop with rear entry boots, I too would suggest an upgrade. Maybe even before you said hello. Gotta love the guys with SX90s that want to demo a Six Star.
Oooooh my bad! I should have said I was in street clothing at a mall in October. I was looking at the boots on their wall when the salesguy walks up and says, "So, looking to upgrade from your old rear-loaders?" I guess I just look like the rear-loader king of guy. Yiikes! :
post #13 of 14
I don't look to shop people for advice on buying equipment. Mostly I see them as obstacles to getting what I want. It's usually a chore trying to find someone there who knows what he's talking about. The exception is a race shop that was recently opened by a former World Cup tech. I trust the guy but even he doesn't know how I ski. You really have to become an educated consumer. As far as developing a relationship with a shop, the turnover from season to season is usually such that its a new situation each season. Back when I was teaching full time I used to have what I thought was a pretty good level of confidence with a local shop. I used to send them quite a lot of business. One day I was trying out a new pair of racing skis and the bindings they had mounted twisted off. They had left out some of the screws. Fortunately I was not skiing fast and no injuries resulted but nowadays I am extremely careful who I deal with. Its not the shop, its the individual you deal with. Some shops have more than one who is really knowledgeable, some have none.
post #14 of 14
It's hard to say who the top shop is in Park city Coles tends to go after the Deer Valley. with brands like Post Card of italy, Bogner, Killy and Prada. One Prada jacket cost more then all my ski gear combined. Jans seems to be more down to earth both do a good tune and have good bootfitting. But if I must pick one then I say Jans. would be my pick over all best local shop. The Surefoot store at the resort center at Park City has excellent bootfiting. Now that Arcs has changed owners Renstall( part of Jans) is now the best tune in town. Another shop that i have grown to like is down in Salt Lake city is Sports Den. I kep telling them they need to open a branch up here. There is one other littel shop in the holliday area of salt lake city can't recall the name Inspector Gadget would know who i am talking about. it is small tucked behind another store hard to find it is run by two retired ski Instructors from Alta. Those two really know thier stuff.
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