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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
We are about to go to press with our new trail map. In our new area is a trail that contains a bit of a flat spot, sort of "hell on earth for snowboarders". Marketing is wondering about marking this spot similar to a slow skiing area with some copy on the trail map explaining this feature and warning of the need to keep your speed/momentum. Has anyone seen this on any other trail maps? If so, what area? Thanks
post #2 of 19
Yeah Donner Pass has 1 for the Truckers. Let her drift.;-)
post #3 of 19
If the trails name is "Paradise", why dont you name the bottom portion (the flat part ) of the trail "Paradise Runout". I think most skiers/boarders know the definition of runout and it should also appease the marketing guys. Probably more important to have the trail well marked (sign at the top and maybe one half way down) than trying to put too much info on the trail map.
post #4 of 19
Im not sure your insurance carrier would like the idea of labeling a spot on a trail map "maintain speed."
post #5 of 19
I am being stupid, or could you not just say "flat"! I mean, that lets everyone know that it's FLAT without using more words than necessary. If someone doesn't understand the implications of the word FLAT, then they are too stupid to ride a lift - they should be in school!
post #6 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Merde
We are about to go to press with our new trail map. In our new area is a trail that contains a bit of a flat spot, sort of "hell on earth for snowboarders". Marketing is wondering about marking this spot similar to a slow skiing area with some copy on the trail map explaining this feature and warning of the need to keep your speed/momentum. Has anyone seen this on any other trail maps? If so, what area? Thanks
The Mont-ste-anne trail map has a run that is really a cat track. It's been defined as a special "slow skiing zone" for families and absolute beginners. The claim increased patrols, and definately are steering fast skiers away from it.
post #7 of 19
What about just saying that trail is not snowboard friendly, they will get the idea. The East Bowl at Burke Mountain in VT has an indication like that on the trail marker and I believe also in the trail map.
post #8 of 19
How about they take the trail once and learn their lesson.

Next time they learn to keep speed.

There are a ton of resorts in the East that have flat areas.

You only make the mistake of slowing down once.
post #9 of 19
The most notorious flats I know is Cow Flats at Big Sky. It is a trap for both skiers and boarders because of its lower elevation and southern exposure. Big Sky does not put any warning on its trail map for this run. I would hesitate to put any warning on your map because it will encourage people to bomb the run just above the slow area.
post #10 of 19
Fox keep in mind that for some "flat" means anything less then a 45 degree pitch
post #11 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scalce
How about they take the trail once and learn their lesson.

Next time they learn to keep speed.

There are a ton of resorts in the East that have flat areas.

You only make the mistake of slowing down once.
I totally agree here.
post #12 of 19
killington ski area in vt.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by teachskiljp
What about just saying that trail is not snowboard friendly, they will get the idea. The East Bowl at Burke Mountain in VT has an indication like that on the trail marker and I believe also in the trail map.
Hey how about doing that with the whole mountain??
post #14 of 19
How about a small arrow pointing to the spot, labeled "Flats"?
Or better yet, do the same thing, and name it to honor someone who deserves it, as in "Smith's Flats".
post #15 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Merde
In our new area is a trail that contains a bit of a flat spot, sort of "hell on earth for snowboarders". Marketing is wondering about marking this spot similar to a slow skiing area with some copy on the trail map explaining this feature and warning of the need to keep your speed/momentum. Thanks
How bout marking the area "NO BOARDERS"
post #16 of 19

Flat

Couldn't the area be indicated with a different color just like the 'blue' and 'green' and 'black' trails are listed now. Just use a color then indicate at the bottom of the map what that color represents (flat or minimal grade not snowboard friendly).... FWIW
post #17 of 19
teachskiljp beat me to the recommendation of using burke's model. i can't remember how burke does it, maybe an * next to the trail name with a description saying * = not snowboard friendly? or a sign at the top of the trail.

though it doesn't create as much hardship for skiers, most two plankers aren't too fond of flat run outs either. like mentioned above, you only two it wrong once! and if the trail is good enough above the run out it's worth the risk of doing it twice! lower hardscrabble at cannon comes to mind in which the run out is 150 feet of uphill skiing. so worth it! that trail is not marked, it doesn't really need to be (but that's the attitude of the mountain). whereas the east bowl in burke could be a 15+ minute walk for many boarders!

so i think it really depends how bad the section is. if it's just a section you need to keep your speed up or a short uphill/flat area, not a problem. if several minutes of hiking may be required, a note would be worthwhile.
post #18 of 19
I agree with the fox in the hat.
post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks all, we are going to print with the new map later this week, I will post a link as soon as it is in web format. The new lift and area are going to be a kick in the a$$, a couple of the trails are 10,000 linear feet of good, north facing blue cruisers. The boundary trail is nearly 13,000 feet in length and scenic as hell.

The final format for the map that warns of the upcoming flat area will simply say, POINT IT DUDE!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, the marketing geek who is doing the map visited the Burke and Killington website and got some good ideas, thanks.
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