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post #91 of 108
oisin, you probably know my stepfather's family, they're everywhere in Squam & Holderness.

I had an old college friend whose girlfriend was from Boston. Her family had a pretty big "ego house" on Winnepesaukee and then, after discovering Squam, bought a house there near the Holderness Town Hall (or, more properly, cottage-turned-office building ). They tried to raze the house and build a monstrous thing even bigger than they had on Winnie, modern architecture, lots of pavement, you know the drill.... The town council (I forget the proper term) basically told him that he should have stayed at Winnie, as he wasn't going to build anything close to his desires on Squam or in Holderness.

Some people think it's unjust to deny such types of development. I don't. I've been tempted to live up there just because of its character, but I don't like the mud or the mosquitos.
post #92 of 108
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Originally Posted by Martin Bell
. But the only way you personally can keep that hillside pristine is to buy the land (individually or collectively) and donate it to a National Park, Forest Service, or BLM.
I don't agree.

Boulder is a very unique town. The one thing they do very well is preserve greenspace as well as limit development.

Perhaps what tou term collective is in fact government.

Cities, towns, county goverment can make sure a hillside remains......a hillside.
post #93 of 108
[quote=gonzostrike].

Some people think it's unjust to deny such types of development. QUOTE]


Gonzo
Re your family: I might recognize the names, I doubt if we're acquainted.

I don't think its any mystery how such protection happens. These things don't happen by themselves, smart people know that and take action (unless they've been propagandized into inaction by the political Right). Very few of us have the ability to intervene singly to protect our neighborhoods. It takes quite a bit of money or power (often the same thing) and the willingness to untervene. In this case the good people of Squam have plenty of money and a commendable consensus regarding their pbjectives. They've also created more than one organization to assist in protecting the environment of the place they care so much for.

JD is right, many New Hampshire folks don't beleive in "government interference" and I fear they will persist in this attitude until the entire place is transformed into something resembling one of those ramshackle run down faded beach resorts (Atlantic City comes to mind), or they've dragged their moneybags off to Florida. There are already a certain number who propose casino gambling here as an alternative to taxation. Its a curious thing to me, this whole thing about "laissez faire" and professed abhorence of "government interference". The ideal, if you could call it that, ignores the degree of interference necessary to maintain the conditions for the free market to flourish and the degree to which corporate interests themselves interfere and seek government interference on their behalf. You could maintain with some justification that this is an idea propounded by those who wish to preserve their own predominant ability to intervene on behalf of their own interests. What is government anyway but a collective agency which empowers the rest of us to act in the common interest? Anyway one thing I've noticed is that the political right never seems to be hindered by their own propaganda. I would venture a guess that the most egregious acts of government intervention in our history have been largely for their benefit.

Sorry for the rant. Its OK to use government if thats what you got!
post #94 of 108
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Originally Posted by Rusty Guy
Perhaps what tou term collective is in fact government.

Cities, towns, county goverment can make sure a hillside remains......a hillside.
Yes, by all means - for example, in Eagle County, CO, the county government contributed towards buying an easement on a ranch near Glenwood Canyon to ensure it remains open space permanently - a typical example.

Yes, WTFH, of course there are people who would like Protestant "Scottish-Irish new arrivals" like yourself to leave the island of Ireland and return to the "mainland" (which is also an island), even though your ancestors arrived 350 years ago - long before the US even became a country!

The moral is, anyone who says "my family has been here forever" is lying, if you go far back enough, and so no-one really has any "right" to any particular chunk of earth. In an ideal world, every human would be regarded as a citizen of Planet Earth, and would be allowed to reside wherever they wanted on that Earth. Of course, the inevitable concomitant risk is that the Earth may end up as a "city-planet" like the world Trantor in Isaac Asimov's Foundation series, which would be an enormous tragedy. The only solution would be to slow world population growth soon...
post #95 of 108
In Summit County, the government was trying to clean up an area by Chihuahua Gulch/Peru Creek to prepare it for an Open Space program. Some dick decides he owns the land and is making claims that the old mining town of Chihuahua is still incorporated and that he is the mayor or something (of course the town hasn't been for over 50 years).
post #96 of 108
I think some things Coloradans get annoyed with as far as transplants of certain types and associated cuases:

Developers build and sell homes in the front range, THEN demand water from the Western slope because they didn't plan it out and suck beautiful reservoirs dry so that they are ugly muddy holes in the mountains.

3rd Homeowner's 5000sqft mansion on backcountry ridgline syndrome.

Transplants that leave California because it sucks, but then get nostalgic and try to transform their new homeland into Cali with BS politically correct and fascist laws and by reinforcing the "decrepit Cali culture" etc. "It's understood that Hollywood sells Californiacation." -Red Hot Chile Peppers

Illegal immigrant workers that big ski/realestate corps smuggle in (indirectly), and foreign workers that big ski/realestate corps bring in on organized (innapropriate) visa programs that depress the local salary rates for transplants and natives alike in areas where the cost of living is already horrendously high (also due to the big ski/realestate corps.)

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Most people realize that tourists are vital to our economy and therefor easily put up with their annoyances. However, locals balk at the ski industry aiming at the wealthiest crowd pricing most locals out of the equation (which was *only partially* alleviated with the discount pass programs). Someoone else made this sad point early in the thread too.


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Originally Posted by Martin Bell
The only solution would be to slow world population growth soon...
The solution is nuclear war. This will also bring us the massive dumps and year round skiing of nuclear winter.
post #97 of 108
Exactly Summit, the ski industry has run many, many locals out of town because they can't afford to own property, and because all the little old rentals were torn down to make way for over sized ego mansions, sold to east coast, Texass, and California rick slobs. It's getting to the point where ill feeling are becoming rampant, the cali surfer attitude has come to the mountains of CO because of all the transplants! So come visit just don't move here we're getting too expensive and too crowded!
post #98 of 108
Don't worry Summit, it's starting to look like Kerry has a good chance of getting in, and when he does he'll restore Colorado to its past glorious state.

He'll raise taxes on the rich and jack up the capitol gains tax which will devastate the stock market, pummel personal net worths, drive the economy back into recession, drive up the federal budget deficit to unheard of levels, kill the housing market and in turn drive property values back down.

The smart money rich will see this coming and dump their mountain trophy homes and invest their money off shore. Vacationers will cut back on travel because their modest portfolios have been so decimated they'll feel driven to stay at home and baton the financial hatches. Ski resorts will feel the severe pinch of this disappearance of guests and will be challenged to remain solvent. The removal of any restraints on trial lawyers by the John boys will bring a flood of frivolous lawsuits on the resorts that will serve as the final nail in their coffins and many will be forced into bankruptcy. Once that happens the federal lands they operate on will be reclaimed and retired from public lease.

With the resorts closed the remaining vacation home holdouts will be forced to dump their properties at fire sale prices, the big box chain stores will shutter their doors, the nichey little family run businesses will die a painful death, the transient worker population will hitch out of town and the area will drop into economic poverty. Then, with the rift-raft finally run out the people who truly love the mountains will begin to come home again.
post #99 of 108
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Originally Posted by Martin Bell
In an ideal world, every human would be regarded as a citizen of Planet Earth, and would be allowed to reside wherever they wanted on that Earth.
In an ideal world John Lennon wouldn't have got shot. It's just an impossible dream.


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Of course, the inevitable concomitant risk is that the Earth may end up as a "city-planet" like the world Trantor in Isaac Asimov's Foundation series, which would be an enormous tragedy. The only solution would be to slow world population growth soon
Don't worry Martin, when rabbits over populate an area nature thins the herd. The same will be done with us. The earth knows how to take care of itself.
post #100 of 108
Snowdog, with your emphasis on oversimplification, let me guess. You are a Bush supporter.


holykailas, are you a native born Coloradan or from somewhere else, blaming the ski industry for your states woes is like blaming the ski industry for all that snow that falls on them there mountains.
post #101 of 108
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Originally Posted by Jack Merde
Snowdog, with your emphasis on oversimplification, let me guess. You are a Bush supporter.
Please Jack, no political name calling here. This thread is about the future of Colorado.
post #102 of 108
Fifth generation native, Jack! Your logic escapes me, and by the way if you haven't heard we have not had a lot of snow in them there mountains, we're in the midst of a severe 10 year drought! The mountain towns of Colorado were once exceptional places, and not just scenery, they were eclectic societies of exception diversity, that attracted interesting people. Now they are over priced, over crowded, American ego centers of mediocrity. Colorado's population doubled in 10 years, the mountains towns tripled and quadrupled in the same 10 years. We're F@#cked!
post #103 of 108
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Originally Posted by SnowDog
Don't worry Summit, BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH John Kerry will close the ski mountains and everyone will leave BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
Sweet! Then I'll have freshies all to myself in the backcountry! You just convinced me to change my vote!

</presidential politic> <ski politics>
post #104 of 108
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Originally Posted by holykailas
Fifth generation native, Jack! Your logic escapes me, and by the way if you haven't heard we have not had a lot of snow in them there mountains, we're in the midst of a severe 10 year drought! The mountain towns of Colorado were once exceptional places, and not just scenery, they were eclectic societies of exception diversity, that attracted interesting people. Now they are over priced, over crowded, American ego centers of mediocrity. Colorado's population doubled in 10 years, the mountains towns tripled and quadrupled in the same 10 years. We're F@#cked!
REALLY? From the sound of your posts, I thought you had not been, for awhile. Lots of really good looking dudes around here. Indulge, and take the edge off! You'll feel better afterwards.
post #105 of 108
Fifth generation native, Jack! Your logic escapes me, and by the way if you haven't heard we have not had a lot of snow in them there mountains, we're in the midst of a severe 10 year drought! The mountain towns of Colorado were once exceptional places, and not just scenery, they were eclectic societies of exception diversity, that attracted interesting people. Now they are over priced, over crowded, American ego centers of mediocrity. Colorado's population doubled in 10 years, the mountains towns tripled and quadrupled in the same 10 years. We're F@#cked!

Haven't had a lot of snow.... well, ever. With the exception of some micro climates ie: Wolf Creek, Monarch, Steamboat, Colorado isn't a deep snow place.
Yes, we are in a drought in Montana also, except that it has been raining and snowing a lot the last 5 days.

It is not the ski industry that is causing the decline as you see it of Colorado, it has much more to do with; more disposable income by many in this country, more leisure time to spend your 2 weeks in your mountain trophy home, people trying to migtrate away from the helter skelter of urban living, the list of reasons is endless. Question, what was Breck or Telluride like before skiing? Damn near ghosts towns with little in the way of jobs to keep people around. Granted it is overdone now, but it wasn't just the fact that a bunch of lifts were strung up and tickets were sold that enticed the beautiful people to move to your fair state and bum you out.
You see that you are screwed, I see that the people who were quick/smart/ruthless enough screwed you.
My background is 9 years in Utah, (Park City) and 13 years in SW Montana, (Big Sky). I have seen what you abhor often enough to know the helpless feeling engendered, but whining and playing the blame game doesn't stop the march of progress.
Oh and I have been in the ski industry for 22 years so I guess you can mark me up as the enemy.
post #106 of 108
Thread Starter 

Out Of Control Thread

I can't beleive this thread is still drawing comment, After speaking with many resorts I think Iam going to throw coution to the wind and find my way to Rt 70. it's scary for an established member of a community to get up and go. If their any tid bits of advice or a free place to stay in CO ski country i am on my way.

THANKS EPIC
post #107 of 108
Trophy homes are every where. It sucks. Mostly those who own them come 3 - 4 times a year. 5000 sq. ft. home for 3 people and they use it @ 21 days. In regards to the women thing, during the ski season there is approx. 6 - 1 male to female ratio. You better be moving here for the life style. What I mean by here, is in Summit County. You'll have more favorable odds in the Denver Metro area.
post #108 of 108

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