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post #91 of 112
I'm always hesitent to jump in -- I'm such a newbie both to skiing and to the forum. I'll only add that we thought the event was really well done and we felt you could never get both the quality and quantity of instruction for anything close to the price in any other venue. And, I know there were issues that almost kept at least one of the coaches from paticipating. The coachesdeserve to be paid well and they deserve to be protected by things like workers comp if they're inuried during the event.
post #92 of 112
LET's get this straight once and for all!
To the best of my knowledge:
No one said that there were problems with the ETU!
No one said that coaches do not deserve compensation and benefits!
No one said that the event was not well done!
No one said that they did not get their money's worth from the program.

It was/is a quality program and I encourage others to attend.
post #93 of 112
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by comprex
Epic will there be a cap on the number of participants in ETU '05?
Not planning on a cap. I guess there'd be a point where we'd run out of coaches, but we've got some really good ones on deck.

My PM is now activated. I didn't know it was ever turned off. A by-product of the great crash.
post #94 of 112
Couple of additional questions. Would the gondola ride/dinner be optional or would it be priced into the event? Also, is there an arrangement to secure a block of discounted rooms from the resort?
post #95 of 112
Believe it or not, we're going to make an announcement this weekend and will discuss all that.
post #96 of 112
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Originally Posted by jamesdeluxe
Believe it or not, we're going to make an announcement this weekend and will discuss all that.
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post #97 of 112
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Originally Posted by jamesdeluxe
Believe it or not, we're going to make an announcement this weekend and will discuss all that.
Well, the weekend is almost over. Is the announcement still coming??? I would love start making plans.
post #98 of 112
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Originally Posted by jamesdeluxe
Believe it or not, we're going to make an announcement this weekend and will discuss all that.
OK, the weekend has come and gone--Is the announcement coming soon?
post #99 of 112
Hi all,

Sorry about the delays but Epic should have the post out within a couple of hours.

See you at Stowe
post #100 of 112
Pure curiosity here: How well is the new pre-classification program (questionnaire) working out? Fairly broad range of scores or any suspicious clumping of the results?
post #101 of 112
Good question comprex. I'm also wondering if it has been decided which instructors will be teaching which levels?
post #102 of 112
Hi y'all

I am also anxiously awaiting ski season and the ETU.

Regardless of the new questionnaire - I was very happy with the groups last year - from my perspective I was with the right group. So, naturally, I expect this year will bring more of the same.

With this outstanding line-up of coaches one thing is for sure - they are all great/equally talented and skilled instructors. I don't think it matters who teaches which level.

That said - anyone planning to ski in advance of ETU? I was considering playing hooky from work and trying to get up north a day or two in advance to play. :-)

kiersten
post #103 of 112
klkaye, I'm still fascinated by the concept of the questionnaire; none of the questions are technique specific yet it appears to be useful enough that they've gone to the trouble of putting it together (and presumably tallying the answers/results). Can you just see something like this elsewhere (in megabox ski shops, say)? How much interpretive skill is needed on the other end? How much time will it really save for on-slope evaluation?

I expect to be somewhere near on Friday, that is if I can figure out which end to click in/into after the summer slack-off (WD40 is good for rust, right?) and if I can escape my XC-fiend friends.
post #104 of 112
Thread Starter 
I will point BB and SnoPro tyo this thread as I can't answer these questions. I haven't seen the surveys, and I don't know who will teach what groups. I think last year, they used the locals for the high-end groups as they would know where they are going on the mountain. I could be wrong though.
post #105 of 112
Epic -- has there been any decision yet on what Monday's "extra" clinics are going to consist of? There were seven or eight options in the poll; just wondering if there is any consensus on which will actually occur, or any decisions regarding price of the "extra" clinics.
post #106 of 112
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Originally Posted by comprex
klkaye, I'm still fascinated by the concept of the questionnaire; none of the questions are technique specific yet it appears to be useful enough that they've gone to the trouble of putting it together (and presumably tallying the answers/results). Can you just see something like this elsewhere (in megabox ski shops, say)? How much interpretive skill is needed on the other end? How much time will it really save for on-slope evaluation?

I expect to be somewhere near on Friday, that is if I can figure out which end to click in/into after the summer slack-off (WD40 is good for rust, right?) and if I can escape my XC-fiend friends.
"How much interpretive skill is needed on the other end?"

Wouldn't the skill go into designing the survey, so that the result is correct and does not require interpretation??
post #107 of 112
Well, cgeib, the first question is: are all scores 0-100 possible for real people, or does a score of 51, for example, require an endurance athlete ski instructor with 6 weeks of skiing per year and a balance problem along with a fear of exceeding comfort limits?

The second question is: Assume a score of 64 is perfectly correct for someone filling out the questionnaire. Now, without interpreting that score how does one use it?
post #108 of 112
I can't ski worth crap but I have some expertise in questionnaire design and analysis. Wasn't there when it was put together, so I am not speaking for the organizers, but I'd assume that final summated scores won't be the sole criterion used for group assignments. Certainly the difference between a 50 and 51 is trivially small and I'd guess that differences of many points may simply reflect the way folks perceived questions and responded rather than "objective" differences in skiing ability. And you'd need some kind of objective data that is independent of the questionnaire before you could even begin trying to assess how big the quantitative differences in scores would need to be before they are meaningful. That said, I suspect if folks were honest in answering the questions the organizers can get pretty close placing people in compatible groups based on the full range of answers.
post #109 of 112
Like RISkier, data elicitation (from interviewing and observation, as well as questionnaire design, etc.) is something I know about -- much, much more than skiing. My guess is that the point of the survey was not to do the splits -- frankly, all the instructors are much better at that in person, so there would be no real benefit gained from the survey data that wouldn't be immediately overridden by watching any person ski about 2 turns. I think the survey is so they can get a very rough idea of how many instructors will be needed, and very roughly what the splits will be so that the instructors can talk about what type of group they'd like to teach. In which case I doubt very much "scores" come into it.

But that's a guess.
post #110 of 112
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Originally Posted by bolide
Well, cgeib, the first question is: are all scores 0-100 possible for real people, or does a score of 51, for example, require an endurance athlete ski instructor with 6 weeks of skiing per year and a balance problem along with a fear of exceeding comfort limits?

The second question is: Assume a score of 64 is perfectly correct for someone filling out the questionnaire. Now, without interpreting that score how does one use it?
Honestly, bolide, I'm not trying to make any issue about the survey.

At this point, I'll just say I'm glad I don't have to figure it out and I'm certain they'll get me in the right group!
post #111 of 112
delta888's and RIskier's answers were very good, and fit with what I was thinking.

I was privately wondering whether those numbers would really change that much next year with the same population of responders. Factors like how many days skied per year are not too likely to change just with instruction, rather with moving to Tahoe like.
post #112 of 112
we didn't design the form. let's not debate it's use or value.

perhaps they are testing the survey on us?
perhaps they are just collecting data?

anyway - last year's splits worked well - we divided up into three groups: novie to low intermediates, solids intermediates, and advanced/experts. each group went outside with 3 instructors for a ski-off. people were in the right groups.

kiersten
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