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Did I get ripped off?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
Ok the local ski shop here is having a huge blowout on new and used items. So giving into temptation I picked up a pair of used Atomic Beta Carv X's 9 - 18m, 190's with the Atomic Xentric bindings (with settings for Extreme, Speed, or All around) The skis and bindings are about 4 years old and in really good condition. Apparantly they were Demo's. The guy really talked me into it by touting the condition of the skis. I paid $199 for the skis / bindings. Did I get ripped off or was this a pretty good buy? Thanks
post #2 of 26
What shop?
post #3 of 26
I wasn't a fan of those bindings new so I would value the bindings a zero. A four year old demo ski in good condition for $199.00? That's a little steep, however, you say they are in great shape.

I guess my question is what were they doing with this "demo" ski for the three years after it was made?

Nobody is going to walk in and "demo" a two year old ski.

I am given one or two pairs of skis by Fischer and Marker gives me one pair of bindings. If I buy anything else I pay "pro price" which in Fischers case is a little above wholesale. Skis run $350.00 to $450.00 and bindings average $125.00. I sell my stuff at the end of a season for between $250.00 and $350.00 per pair with bindings.

Our rental shop sells last years demo fleet of "performance skis" for about 20% more. This may give you an idea.

If you like the skis and are happy that's all that matters.
post #4 of 26
Thread Starter 
Phil, Langhorne SKi and Sport

Rusty Guy. Why didn't you like the bindings? I guess they were demo'd a few years back. They definitely do not look like they have 4 seasons worth of wear. The sales guy said I could get 7 years out of them at the least. I'm sure I'll like them but we'll see.
post #5 of 26
7 years out of a pair of skis already 4 years old....IMO if you're looking to use a pair of skis for 7 years then you're much better off just biting the bullet and upping your investment even just a little more to stretch to at least last years demo model.

To give you some comparison, last season I sold a pair of ex-demos in perfect condition (about 12 days on them) after 1 base grind for $349 including bindings. They were 2002/03 Atomic C:11 170's with the CR:412 binding.

It seems to me that whilst you didn't necessarily make a bad buy, for a little more you could have gotten a newer ski in similiar condition. Ultimately, if you're happy with them, that's all that matters.
post #6 of 26
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Originally Posted by PA Ridge Racer
Phil, Langhorne SKi and Sport

Rusty Guy. Why didn't you like the bindings?
I suppose binding preferance ellicits more emotion than any topic. I rep for Marker and feel safest on their stuff. Fischer is kind enough to let me continue using Marker bindings as opposed to their Fischer/Tyrolia equipment.

Bindings remind me a little bit of cars. When I step into a marker it sounds like a Mercedes door.....a very solid thunk. An Atomic or EssVar sounded like a Ford Pinto.

You will hear the term "pre-release". It's an oxymoron. If the binding released there is a reason.

I did not like the on/off switch for the back release or whatever it is termed with some of the Atomic stuff two or three years ago. I guess I couldn't figure out why anyone, in theory, would disable a release function on a binding.

I ski a very simple Marker product. the EPS 1400. I have had no issues with the binding. I actually ski it at a lower DIN than recommended and it does fine.
post #7 of 26
I think the main factor here is the skis are 190s. That's likely why they are in great shape. That would have been just when everything was going shorter and probably no one even demoes those much. The bindings are fine in my opinion and I've skied them lots. They offer some great advantages and are better than the demo offerings by most others IMO. They are still a demo binding. $199 for ski/binding isn't much so I think you got a good deal. On the other hand I'm betting you could have gotten cheaper ones on eBay for the same thing. I always check eBay since the auction format to a large market for an older item like that is the only way to peg a real value on a thing. It's what the market will bear. Apparently you were willing to bear that price so I'm not sure where the term 'rip off' is appropriate. Although eBay may have been cheaper you have saved the hassle and anxiety that is part and parcel there. You got a good deal hopefully on skis that are appropriate to you. (That is really the bigger question).
post #8 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone for your feedback. I think I got a decent deal now, Thank you. I guess I'll know for sure come winter.
post #9 of 26
That's a very long ski for a carving ski by today's standards, don't think anybody makes a carving ski that long any more. Realistically the ski is probably not worth very much, but you never know for sure, some people still enjoy longer skis. It's still probably a very good ski and you might really like it. The binding should work fine, one advantage of that binding is it's easy to move forward to make the ski easier to turn.
post #10 of 26
Thread Starter 
Aren't carving skis supposed to be a bit longer? I think 190 is ok for me as I'm 6' 1 195 lbs. I ski mostly in PA (but make the occassional trip to NE) so tree skiing is virtually nonexistant for me (tried it once). I've been on longer skis so this is actually a shorter ski for me.
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by PA Ridge Racer
Aren't carving skis supposed to be a bit longer? I think 190 is ok for me as I'm 6' 1 195 lbs. I ski mostly in PA (but make the occassional trip to NE) so tree skiing is virtually nonexistant for me (tried it once). I've been on longer skis so this is actually a shorter ski for me.
Skis NOW are generally being skied shorter and designed to be skied shorter. When that ski was made and designed they were still intended to be skied into that length for a guy your size. They are on the long side but if you're comfortable with them that's what counts.

Don't gauge ski length today on what was built then that's a bit like apples and oranges. Just ski them, you like them... great, they suck then flip them to someone else wanting to get in cheap. I'd try eBay.
post #12 of 26
Thread Starter 
Hey thanks again for all the expert advice. I'm sure they'll be fine, if not I still have my old Rossi's. But like I said I'm used to long skis and I like a little speed (when no one's nearby of course) and I like to make wide turns. I barely ski bumps or trees so I think they'll be fine for few seasons.
post #13 of 26
190's today are rather longish for recreational skiing. However, since you have already bought them, I wouldn't look back. Either you will find that you like them or not when you actually start skiing on them.

If you enjoy them you will not have been ripped off. If not, sell them for what you can get and start looking again. At all events, they are most likely very good skis. You may just have to work a little harder for your turns because of their length.
post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by PA Ridge Racer

Why didn't you like the bindings? I guess they were demo'd a few years back. They definitely do not look like they have 4 seasons worth of wear. The sales guy said I could get 7 years out of them at the least. I'm sure I'll like them but we'll see.
First, demos can be rented as much as 100+ days a season. With a new purchase, if you ski 25-30 days a season and you ski a bit conservative, you can get 7 years out of a ski. Most skis will on average, start to loose some chamber after about 250 days. I'm lucky if I can go that many days without breaking it.

I'm also not a fan of Atomic Bindings. They pre release alot. I have to ski at least one DIN setting higher than normal just to keep them on. Use them to anchor your boat.

Peace
post #15 of 26
Did you get ripped off? Taking into consideration the price of the set up and how old it is and how many times it may have been skied, it is possible that you were over charged... but if you end up enjoying the skis then you were not over charged at all. If you find that the skis dont live up to how they should be performing and ski more like a wet noodle... then you probably paid too much. The 9.18 is not a high end ski by any means. At one time it was but new technology and shapes have sent it toward the back of the Atomic pack in recent seasons. For that type of ski brand new i would expect to pay no more than $350 with a binding. Recently i just bought a women's ski equivalent to what you just purchased for about $250. The ski that i bought was a Dynastar Exclusive 10 with Look Nova 11 bindings. The skis are in the plastic and the bindings are in the box. I would imagine that for about $250 - $350 you could have bought a slightlly higher performing intermediate to advanced ski package brand new. Your purchase however, was not an unintelligent one, since the 9.18 has been basically unchanged for several years now. It is probably the longest lasting name in the shaped ski industry at the present time. You purchased a quality ski and got a very good deal. I dont know though if you can transfer the bindings to other Atomic skis... but if you hate the skis you can always keep the bindings and find something you can mount them on - providing the bindings work okay for you.
Later
GREG
post #16 of 26
Thread Starter 
Greg,

thanks for the feedback. It's good to hear that I got a good deal from someone who knows. $200 was really my limit going in and I thought I did ok with it. Another reason why I'm happy is the fact that even the '05 models use the beta technology that mine do so they're not outdated in that respect. Ultimately like everyone has been saying. I'll have to ski them to truly find out. Thanks again everyone.
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by PA Ridge Racer
Phil, Langhorne SKi and Sport
Are they still around????? I grew up not far from there and remember going with my parents back in the early 70's when they were in a little building cattycorner from McCaffrey Ford. I went to elementary school with the owner’s son. I wonder if it is still the same guy? Do you know who owns it now?

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post #18 of 26
Thread Starter 
Yeah they're still there but they moved out of Langhorne into Fairless Hills I believe. They are in a huge white building now. They sell it all from skis to bikes to gear. Great place, just a little expensive is all. Not sure who owns it.
post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by Ullr
Are they still around????? I grew up not far from there and remember going with my parents back in the early 70's when they were in a little building cattycorner from McCaffrey Ford. I went to elementary school with the owner’s son. I wonder if it is still the same guy? Do you know who owns it now?

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They had a big place right outside of teh mall there then moved of to Fairless Hills. Dave Constantini owns it now, he was a manager there for years then bought it from the origional owners. Good guy, deals real fairly.
post #20 of 26
Thanks Phil. I noticed you lived in Newtown. Is Goodnoe's (sp?) Dairy still there?
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by Ullr
Thanks Phil. I noticed you lived in Newtown. Is Goodnoe's (sp?) Dairy still there?
I live in Newtown Square. About 40 miles from Newtown.
post #22 of 26
My bad................
post #23 of 26
Ullr,

Yes, Goodnoe's is still there and thriving. Newtown has become overrun with condo develoment and new houses. Traffic is a mess, but all those people eating rubin sandwhiches and ice cream have paid a huge dividend to Goodnoe's
post #24 of 26
Thread Starter 
try the Atomic Sundae at Goodnoes. Make sure you are hungry however and have someone to share with. If only Goodnoes would open near the slopes.
post #25 of 26

Only if you don't enjoy them

I think that if the skis are in good shape, you did ok. Hey those are fun skis on the cord.
post #26 of 26
If you like them that's all that matters. Just know that long shaped skis make long turns. They also make short turns, but you're gonna go to work.
Just be wary of the bindings, as the forward pressure springs might give up on you at some point. Adjusting up the forward pressure will only encourage pre-release. As was stated in a previous post, maybe twist the DIN setting up a notch.
Have Fun!
Skidoc
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