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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Copper Mountain has been highly recommended to me as a destination for a week. Anyone have any thoughts as compared to Aspen or Steamboat for instance re: skiing, crowds, lodging and food. Wife & myself advanced skiers, like a little nightlife and occasional meal at a nice restuarant. Thanks!
post #2 of 21
You are comparing three very different places.

Aspen is a town that is very upscale, great food, great skiing. The skiing involves essentially four seperate mountains. Bring your mink and your Amex card.

Steamboat is more of a "real town",the town is separate from the ski area (three miles) does not have as upscale a dining selection, great skiing. In terms of skiing it is known for very light dry powder and seems to get more snow mid winter than other spots. There are folks who complain about the "flow" or layout of the mountain although I don't agree.

Copper is a great ski mountain with a base area that is smallish, no town (Frisco/Dillon withen ten minutes), limited spots to eat and limited nightlife.

I would not hazard a guess about where crowds would differ. I guess Copper might in theory have more crowds due to proximity to Denver/I-70.
post #3 of 21
RGs comments are on target. These two threads have a lot of discussion that might be of interest to you. All three areas have their fans and would be fine for a vacation.
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=16404
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=15423

Copper: nice mix of terrain for all abilities, proximity to Denver and other good Summit Co ski areas.
Aspen and Steamboat: farther from Denver and renowned for scenery, atmosphere, ski terrain.
Copper catches more day skiers and may have a slightly busier feel to it, the others are favored by destination/weeklong skiers.

BTW: I'm an old U of MD alum, Fear the Turtle.
post #4 of 21
My experience is that Aspen has the least crowded mountains of the three, partly because its farther from Denver. It has an upscale reputation which I consider a bit over blown as far as skiing there is concerned. You won't need a mink, but the Amex would help. Once you're there you don't need a car. If you're there for a week I think that it would hold your interest better than Steamboat.

From Copper you'd have the opportunity to hit Keystone, Breck, Vail, Beaver Creek, and A-Basin which are all pretty close and easy to get to if you have a rental car. Because they are close to Denver, all of these areas can be busy.

Steamboat is out by itself so you'll be committed to sking Mt Werner. You can fly into Hayden which is nearby. Once you're at Steamboat you can walk or take shuttles to get around. The mountain has been busier than the Aspen areas when I've been there in March or late Feb, but less so than the Summit county areas.

At any of your three choices the skiing is good, so whichever you decide, I'm sure that you'll enjoy it.

Hope this helps

Jim
post #5 of 21
Rusty Guy and Jim, you guys seem familiar with the Summit County area, and I've been contemplating going for a move west, and thinking about applying for a job at Copper, do you have any idea what there is for work around there other than skiing (like off-season jobs, industry, tech companies)?

Also, seeing as your both from Colorado, any idea what the cost of living is like out there, like rough estimate on appartments (they're like a grand a month by me for a crappy appartment), insurance costs (vehicle insurance, high cost or low), and like what most people need to make a year to live there year round?

Any help/info would be greatly appreciated.
post #6 of 21
First of all I think Jim's review is more accurate than mine!

Manus I would say there are plenty of winter jobs and the market tightens a bit in the summer. I can only speak for Boulder and would say count on landscaping or painting in the summer to support winter skiing. It is service industry in Summit County no high tech to speak of. Keep in mind you can always opt for Ft Collins, Boulder, Denver, or Colorado Springs.

The biggest shocker in Colorado in terms of c.o.l. is the ad valorum tax on vehicles. Bring a nice ride out here and count on a whopping car registration for your first tags.
Housing varies if you want to buy. It ain't cheap.

Summit County is full of $1200.00 per month condos and public transportation is superb.

What does it take to live in terms of salary? I'd say about like living in an east coast city. If you are going to make $500.00 per week as a liftie or ski instructor count on having a house full of roomates.

One very lucrative way for young people to make a living is waiting tables in Boulder. I know two "degreed" folks making a nice living having worked their way up through the restaurants in Boulder and they do well. In the winter they ski three or four hours per day.
post #7 of 21
What about Copper over thanksgiving. How much of the beginner/intermediate stuff is open??
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by villagenut
What about Copper over thanksgiving. How much of the beginner/intermediate stuff is open??
That really varies from year to year and some resorts may not be staffed to open terrain even if there is snow. Thanksgiving is still really quiet in Summit County you could book your airline tickets and wait until mid-Nov to see who has the most open. You will find lodging pretty easy to find, unless you are looking for a large condo, 3-4 bedrooms, those do go fast. Other than that you may well find a good last min lodging deal. That said Vail has been good early, in Summit County, Keystone has the most snowmaking.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by Manus
Rusty Guy and Jim, you guys seem familiar with the Summit County area, and I've been contemplating going for a move west, and thinking about applying for a job at Copper, do you have any idea what there is for work around there other than skiing (like off-season jobs, industry, tech companies)?

Also, seeing as your both from Colorado, any idea what the cost of living is like out there, like rough estimate on appartments (they're like a grand a month by me for a crappy appartment), insurance costs (vehicle insurance, high cost or low), and like what most people need to make a year to live there year round?

Any help/info would be greatly appreciated.
As someone who just recently made the move from Boston to Summit County, I can comment on this. If you look at today's ads from the Summit Daily http://www.gocolorado.net/cmnm-class...=10&class=rent
you can see studios and one bedrooms ranging from as low as $695 up to $1200. IT work is extremely dificult to come by, which is why my husband is still living back in Brookline. If you look at the summitdaily help wanted ads, you will see many lodging related jobs.
http://www.gocolorado.net/cmnm-class...b=10&class=emp

As far as Copper Mountain goes, there are many Bears working there; Bob Barnes, Mike_M Mikewil, Bong, Pinhead, EAbrown. I am having a great time being able to see these folks outside of cyberspace.

When calculating cost of living, take into account the amount of money you would normally spend on skiing, and cut that down by at least 50%. No transportation costs to resorts, no hotel costs, and $329 season passes!
Aside from that, with the healthy air and the lower crime rate, nothing could drag me back to Boston!
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by TerpSKI
Copper Mountain has been highly recommended to me as a destination for a week. Anyone have any thoughts as compared to Aspen or Steamboat for instance re: skiing, crowds, lodging and food. Wife & myself advanced skiers, like a little nightlife and occasional meal at a nice restuarant. Thanks!
I think everone's comments have been pretty accurate. The only thing I would add is that Summit County is significantly higher than Aspen or Steamboat. As I get older, I'm finding I have a hard time sleeping at higher altitudes. Aspen and Steamboat are way more comfortable for me, and a number of my Eastern friends have had to leave Summit County because of altitude sickness. Also, in Summit Couny you will want a car. In Aspen or the 'boat you don't really need one.
post #11 of 21
I don't think there is any question in my mind about the right move for Thanksgiving. For the past four years I have rented a condo in Breck and skied at Loveland.

Loveland and Keystone vie to see who can open first via snowmaking. A-Basin may get into the fray now that they have water rights/snowmaking. My recollection for opening dates ranges from 10-15 two years ago to halloween being the latest.

Keep in mind Loveland has a base at 10,000 feet. They get a good deal of early snow.

Two things to keep in mind re Keystone. Every Buddy Pass holder in Denver will head for Keystone at opening and it becomes a white ribbon of horror for the first two weeks. Loveland is a great deal tamer due to few season pass holders and less tolerance for b_ _ _ _ _ it. I have no concern about taking my kid to Loveland in the first week. I would not ski in a helmet and body armor at Keystone early season.

Keystone may have the most extensive snowmaking and that is for a good reason. For some strange reason they have not gotten a whole heck of a lot of snow in the past few years.

Lisa......you may change your tune about paradise when it takes you an hour to get through the gridlock between Frisco and Breck on a weekend or you find yourself among 28,000 skiers (that's a typical number over the holidays) at Breck. It can be a wonderful spot but I'll tell you there are folks in Grand County, Steamboat, etc who refer to it as Scum-it County for good reason.

It often strikes me as Myrtle Beach with snow!
post #12 of 21
Possibly. But it was starting to take me close to an hour to get from Brookline to Copley Square, a ride that should have taken 20 minutes. If asked, I would rather spend an hour with a view of the mountains with the scent of the BO that comes from a bunch of snow sliders, than to spend an hour in a tunnel having to take in the scent of a train full of low lifes! UGH! The word "scum" becomes a relative term when you've spent most of your life in the two filthiest cities in the US! And the great part of being out here is that I can conveniently ski mid week, and avoid weekends, if need be.

That being said, we did visit Keystone in early November, and it was quite a zoo! But Keystone at its worst is still a good deal more civilized than Killington at its worst. You do have to be careful about altitude, though. It can be pretty wicked if you are not used to it!
post #13 of 21
Yep, everybody just keep piling into Colorado. Suits me just fine. Take my word for it, no place else in the Rockies is worth a nickel. My recommendation: Don't even waste your time considering another state. (please)

Oh dawling, you really must go: It's faubulous, just faubulous. :
post #14 of 21
Getting back to the original question about Copper, the place is one of my favorites for many reasons, especially when they have all their terrain open. That said, I'm not sure I'd spend a week exclusively there. I don't care for the village layout and activities for one reason, but themain reason is I like skiing the other places in Summit county also. Then there is Vail, just a short drive down the highway.

Could I spend an entire week in Steamboat? Yes, and do quite often.Not only because my oldest Son goes to College there, but because the town is so friendly and has lots of things to do. Shop, hike, hotsprings, good bars and eats and friendly people. Not to mention the base altitude makes it alot easier to sleep, jog or work in. The ski area is an awesome playground. Doesn't have the sceenery thatSummit Co. has but the entire mountain is user friendly with everything from cruisers to steep bump runs, and ohh the tree runs are second to non anywhere in the world.

If you are handy as a carpenter or landscaper you could name your price as there are many opportunities to make good money.But, unless you have your own bussiness, you aren't going to get rich or even live real comfortable because of the cost of housing and just about everything else.

Steamboat is more expensive to ski because there aren't any real good pass deals there, not like the four mountain pass or Copper's deal. But, last year we had the Colorado pass for $329, a Copper card for $10, and a Steamboat Card for $10 which allowed us to get day passes for $39 to $45. Which isn't bad.

Both Steamboat and all of Summit County have a very efficient bus system for free.

Don't spend much time in Aspen so I can't comment on the place but have skied there from time to time and it's great too. Just never really cared to spend much time there.

Hope this helped.
post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies and for getting the topic back on track . I have been to SB & Aspen, so I was interested in how Copper compared as a destination resort. I generally like to go to one place, stay on the mountain or town and ski there for the week. Perhaps Copper wouldn't be for me then. Lars brought up Vail, which I have always wanted to try but shied away from due to the crowd factor. Am I wrong in assuming crowds would be an issue on a non-holiday February week?

BTW JamesJ, Fear The Turtle indeed! I also live in the DC area!
post #16 of 21
sorry to pull off topic,
true terp story: i was in aspen staying at the t lazy 7 ranch, a fun & slightly funky place for a ski vacation. i was there for the great downhill action nearby, but one afternoon i went cross country skiing in the valley behind ranch towards maroon lake. i wore an old U of Md track jacket. when i got back there was an outdoor "western" cookout going at the ranch for a veterans group. the guy in charge of the veterans spotted my jacket and called out to me. turned out he was an old track teammate i hadn't seen in nearly 20 years. morale of the story - wear your colors, esp. now that we're livin' large with gary and the fridge!
post #17 of 21
I am amazed that no one mentions Winter Park in all these discussions. Every day that I spend there I end up saying it is one of the best mountains around.

It gets great snow, no crowds and varied terrain.
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
JamesJ, no doubt. We definitely deserve it after so many down years. Life is sweet indeed these days!

Rusty Guy: I am open to Winter Park, but is there a "there" there? I mean wrt a town or slopeside or close-by lodging. We like a little night life, and food, and don't really like to commute while on vacation.
post #19 of 21
Yes....there are ski in-out places and a town. Is it Vail, Breck, or Steamboat in terms of nightlife? No it is not. It reminds me of the way skiing was in Colorado thirty years ago.

If you want to hear more send me a p.m. I know of two very very nice homes for rent.

The skiing is the big attraction.
post #20 of 21
Sorry R.G., but Winter Park sucks. It's the closest thing to an Eastern Resort in Colorado. If it were'nt for it's cohart, MaryJane, the place wouldn't get any ranking at all. The Blues there compare to most Greens at other places. I'drather ski Eldora. There is virtually no night life at all.

Look, it's a great place for families with young kids or for big mountain wannabies, but if you're into anything else, go to Copper or somewhere else.
If you're into really good Mogul skiing, then make a day trip there and ski the Jane.

I'm not raggin anybody, just giving my honest opinion about the place.
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by Rusty Guy
You are comparing three very different places.

Aspen is a town that is very upscale, great food, great skiing. The skiing involves essentially four seperate mountains. Bring your mink and your Amex card.

Steamboat is more of a "real town",the town is separate from the ski area (three miles) does not have as upscale a dining selection, great skiing. In terms of skiing it is known for very light dry powder and seems to get more snow mid winter than other spots. There are folks who complain about the "flow" or layout of the mountain although I don't agree.

Copper is a great ski mountain with a base area that is smallish, no town (Frisco/Dillon withen ten minutes), limited spots to eat and limited nightlife.

I would not hazard a guess about where crowds would differ. I guess Copper might in theory have more crowds due to proximity to Denver/I-70.
Hit the nail on the head with that answer!!

Copper is my favorite place in Summit County but don't limit yourself to that mountain. Book your week and ski Breckenridge, Keystone, Vail and Beaver Creek while you're in the area as well!!!
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