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Looks Like Those Maggots Are Making Their Own Ski

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Those pesky maggots!
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125/99/114, with stronger edges and durable base.
$ 450.-instead of 535.- when ordered before August 20 2004.
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SIC!!! :
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Brilliant.
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My question is now that powder mag has aline of skis What are they going to do when Rossi, Atomic,k2, and the rest pull their ads?
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Originally Posted by Utah49
My question is now that powder mag has aline of skis What are they going to do when Rossi, Atomic,k2, and the rest pull their ads?
There is no business affiliation between POWDER mag and PMGear, LLC.

PMGear is its own separate entity with the only connection to POWDER being that the powdermag.com bulletin boards happen to be where all the principles of PMG initially met and decided to form the company.
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Good luck! I love seeing people go independent!
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces
There is no business affiliation between POWDER mag and PMGear, LLC.

PMGear is its own separate entity with the only connection to POWDER being that the powdermag.com bulletin boards happen to be where all the principles of PMG initially met and decided to form the company.
thanks Rone, keep 'er going.
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Tyrone, Thank you for the info. Friends with a passion getting together to build a better mouse trap isn't a conventional business plan. Yet in many cases it can be the most rewarding and sucessful. As a former owner of a surf shop and surfboard maker. I understand your drive and I wish you the best in your venture.
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Utah49 -- Thanks. Yes thus far it has been very rewarding and educational, which in my book, makes it a success. I think the first time I run into a skier that I don't personally know, skiing on our skis, laughing on them, smiling on them, and having a great day skiing on them.....well, let's just say that it's a day that I'm looking forward too.

And I understand your point about a non-conventional business plan....it still blows me away that everyone at PMG first initially met online, and for most intents and purposes, the business was conceptualized and launched in a completely public forum. And we'll be completely committed to these 'roots' as we move forward continually taking suggestions and listening to feedback from our online ski communities. Which is essentially how the "Bro Model" name for the ski came about....with just about every major ski manufacturer having some sort of 'pro' model, we thought it would be appropriate to name ours 'bro' since it was mainly designed by our online skiing friends (i.e. the graphics, the dimensions, the flex, etc. etc.).

Gonzo, L7, Lisamarie, Moose -- Thanks for the well wishes. Much appreciated.
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I checked the other thread in TGR briefly and didn't see much about the skis, other than a graphic of the topsheets. Can anyone comment on the skis? composition, how made and by whom? anybody ride em? how much do they weigh? suitable for AT use? Any plans for a mid-fat? My Igs are still in pretty good shape, so am not looking for more fats, but am looking for a new mid-f in the 78-80 waist range

jw
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Originally Posted by JW
I checked the other thread in TGR briefly and didn't see much about the skis, other than a graphic of the topsheets. Anyone comment on the skis? composition, how made and by whom? anybody ride em?jw
JW -- hang on a sec and I'll post some links to some other threads that include pics of the construction of the prototypes, reviews from our ski testers of the prototypes at Mt. Hood., etc. etc.

The basics of the BroModel are: 125-99-114 @ 188 length. Wood core. Very wide full-wrap edges. p-tex 6000 base material. UHMW sidewalls. Vertical laminate construction. Stiffness will be comparable to Volkl Explosiv, Legend Pro, etc. Our website will be revamped September-ish with a lot more information and pictures of the skis.

Here's a link to some of the reviews of our 3rd prototype ski. Reviews start near the bottom of this page:
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showt...s&pagenumber=3

Pics of the prototypes w/o graphics. We should have a few production versions pressed by mid-August with the completely run ready around October 1st:


Also, here's a quick link to some info. on powdermag:
http://powdermag.com/news/maggotassault072204/


oh and PS -- I see you're in West Chester. Before moving to NorCal, I lived in Malvern and worked in Exton. Kinda miss that area....especially the Iron Hill Brewery
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hey Tyrone...

...can you say who's doing the layups of these planks? just curious, the boards will speak for themselves I'm sure, but it might be nice to know.

thanks.
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'Rone

The fact that some of us may nottt _quite_ fit Explosiv-stiff 188cm* just means we're cheering harder so Run #2 can happen.



*Extra helpings on T-day might just take care of that.
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Gonzo -- We're lucky enough to have formed a strategic alliance with a small snowboard manufacturer. We're essentially utilizing some of their CAD software, materials expertise, and equipment (i.e. CNC machine to cut cores, etc.) and we'll be making our skis by hand in their warehouse. Unfortunately, can't say too much more beyond that at this point.

Comprex -- Absolutely....unfortunately, we can only offer 1 ski @ 1 length at this time. But yes, hopefully opportunities will arise and things will pan out so that we can offer a greater variety of skis for a greater variety of skiers.

BTW -- I'm barely 5'10" and approx 170 lbs. and I'm looking forward to the Bro Models being my primary boards this winter.

If anyone happens to be at around Kirkwood this winter, drop us a line and perhaps we can get you on some demo's.

Thanks.
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from:
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showt...threadid=14013


Spats drilled me to extend the sidecut beyond the end of the effective edge, into the tip curvature, similar to the Beast's tip, but not as pliable. I like what it does.

Right from the start, we kinda thought we'd split the difference between the W105 and the LP. And it's almost exactly where we
ended up, in terms of dimensions.

We liked the Exploders rounded tail, but we're doing it with a one-seam edge all the way around the ski. Might adjust that to a pintail metal alloy tail insert, ala the 4X4 Big.

Oh, yeah, Buster suggested softening up a sweet spot in the tip of the stiffies, to hook up the sidecut....it worked.

The NKO's 6000 base.......

Now I know why Nobis called his the Inspired.

That's why this ski is Maggot Inspired

elsewhere:

The Bro flex is similar to the 4X4 Bigs in that the soft tip engages the rest of the stiffer flex underfoot and in the tail, but it's a little different. Similar as well or more so to the Zag, but certainly nowhere near as soft.
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good advice from Mr Highmen, eh Sluff? unless every Maggot is Micah Black, I'd think a shovel that makes for friendlier sidecut engagement would be a wise choice. some of us pikers are gettin' up there in years, ya know!
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If I put one in hot water then dry on high heat will it shrink to say something like a 177?
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Three cheers for the maggots!
I like the complete white topsheet (or a black one), even tho I understand that those were the prototypes...
And 188 doesn't seem all *that* long!
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If anyone happens to be at around Kirkwood this winter, drop us a line and perhaps we can get you on some demo's.
Damn, I spent last season at the 'wood - would have been awesome to have a ride on those new boards. Congrats on turning it into a reality, keep up the good work.
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Tyrone, thanks for the links. Will watch for more inof on your website. Would be helpful to post the weight of the skis.
cheers from the IH brewery
jw
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Tyrone/Sluff (Splat?),

can you enlarge somewhat more on the exact differences between the Bro and the 190 Explosive? Would it really be that versatile, especially when looking at the width overall? :

Not that I couldn't handle the length in that width but am still not sure despite thousands of different opinions whether to wait for a shorter length.

Thanks
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Originally Posted by PowHog
Tyrone/Sluff (Splat?),

can you enlarge somewhat more on the exact differences between the Bro and the 190 Explosive? Would it really be that versatile, especially when looking at the width overall? :

Not that I couldn't handle the length in that width but am still not sure despite thousands of different opinions whether to wait for a shorter length.

Thanks

Hey PowHog -- I hear ya....we have lots of requests to make a shorter length, but unfortunately for this year, its just not possible for us. Hopefully next year shorter version of the Bro Model will be available.

"Versatility" in any ski with such wide dimensions is going to be relative. Versatility is going to mean something different to the skier who spends 90% of their time off-piste versus the skier who spends 40% of their time off-piste. With regards to the BM, we tried to make it as versatile as possible with the primarily off-piste (greater than 90%) skier in mind. Meaning, we designed the BM to be stable and damp and high-speeds in powder and crud...but yet, not so unwieldy to be unmanageable while billy-goating down steep, rocky, technical slopes at slower speeds.

Continuing on the example above, to the skier who only spends 40% of their time off-piste...then I'll admit, the BM probably wouldn't be definied as "versatile" from thier perspective. Obviously a stiff 188 ski with 125-99-114 dimensions is not going to crank out turns on hardpark like a mid-fat carver.....but I will say that a skier with good technique can make the BM (or similar skis) do some surprising things on hardpack/groomers.

Oh and also -- another poster over at TGR recently asked for a direct comparison between the BM and 190 V-Ex as well. This particular question was aimed more at slow-speed turning betwen the two skis and below is my reply:

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And I just realized I haven't addressed your question above. I'll try to just by comparing the dimensions of both skis. Flex will play a role as well, but assume that they are fairly similar.

190 V-Ex: 120-95-112
188 BM: 125-99-114

Both skis are pretty darn straight (think straightline stability, complete edge hold on icy steeps, etc.) but they both have relatively narrow tails compared to the rest of the ski (making the ski more "skiddable" when necessary and allowing the tail to sink more in pow pushing the tip upwards for float).

Although the BM as compared to the V-Ex is +5 in the tip and +4 in the waist...it is only +2 in the tail. Our thinking here is that the increased girth up front and underfoot will give the BM more float and crud busting power, whereas the tail increase was kept to a minimum to keep the characteristics of a narrow-ish tail (mentioned above) intact.

Oh and the slightly shorter length of the BM may make it easier at slow speeds as well.

Hope that helps.
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Tyrone,

Thanks for the reply which helps a bit, that benchmark did not came out that clear on all the (partly confusing) threads at TGR.
By versatility I mean conditions varying from deep pow to really steep boilerplates in the backcountry, I am not talking groomers here.
I got a CMH Explosive in 180 now but am aware that the Bro Model would not compare to this one simply for length already. Right now I consider adding one more quiver to it in a length up to 185 (I do not really like to go longer) with a bit more width at the tip (not necessarily underfoot-thinking boilerplates) for even more floatation, that's why I was looking into the Bros besides some Legend Pros, B3 (well, not really) and DBs (despite the huge price tag on those).
Thought when already going up to 188 the extra 2 cm on the 190 Explosives don't make that much of a difference any more, leaving aside the Bro's benefits you mentioned. The length is just my very personal concern except you can confirm for sure the Bros ski shorter than they really are.
That's what is behind the questions I had, thanks again.
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Just an FYI since there were so many questions generated in this thread:

The latest version of our website is up at www.pmgearusa.com

The site is going to go through a few more changes as the year goes on, but we needed to get a webstore up ASAP and there's some more details about the ski construction located there as well.

thanks.
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Guess I'll have to wait a year for the bro to shrink down to a size for an old gaper like me could use. Still I admire your guts and the stoke you have for skiing. By the way i like the looks of those poles they just might be in the budget this season.
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A westy only ski? Think an easterner can handle the BM?
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Originally Posted by Utah49
Guess I'll have to wait a year for the bro to shrink down to a size for an old gaper like me could use. Still I admire your guts and the stoke you have for skiing. By the way i like the looks of those poles they just might be in the budget this season.
Thanks Utah --- yes, we've had a bunch of requests for different lengths and we really wish we could accomodate everyone this year, but since we're in full-on start-up bootstrap mode, one length 'tis all that's feasible right now.

Fortunately though, it looks like the demand for inexpensive yet durable big mountain skis in August (!) so far has been greater than what any of us would have thought....so I'm really optimistic about what we can accomplish next year.


iriponsnow -- We've actually had a few pre-orders come in from New England and Eastern Canada. Some people said they were ordering to expand their quiver for when they come out west, whereas others said they plan to use them alot on the east coast. Having tested the prototypes extensively on hardpack up at Mt. Hood, I am confident in saying that they can really hold a great edge and rail at high speed for a confident skier that likes to drive (no tail gunning) their skis. From a personal viewpoint, I really wanted the Bro Model to handle well on hardpack because, as this will be my primary ski this year, I ski on a lot of icy, hardpack days (i.e. freeze/thaw cycles) at Kirkwood and wanted the Bro Models to be able to handle it (I grew up on the east coast so I at least have a frame of reference for the conditions).

Obviously, the Bro Model is not for everyone on the east coast....but for some, it works. Once the season gets underway, we'll be asking our east coast purchasers from TGR to post up some reviews so keep an eye out.

thanks again.
post #30 of 41
feck yeh!

if'n I gets to hankerin' for new plankage I'm probly gonna be too late for the Maggotboards. sux to be me.

maybe in '06?
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