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post #1 of 13
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While it's hard to feel sorry for a man of Mike Tyson's reputation, I find myself pitying the man, even worrying for him. He's at an age and station in a very particular kind of life where, in many cases, the downward spiral kicks in with some powerful pull. Given his background, he may not have the internal resources, much less any kind of support group that enables him to fend off a serious life "crash."
I can't see him confronting, much less conquering, the rage in him that at one time made him such a ferocious (even disciplined, once) fighter; add that anger and tendency to lash out without thought or consideration of repercussion to bankruptcy, public humiliation, non-stop challenges (they'll become more frequent) and that damn tattoo on his face that ain't going anywhere, and you have a recipe for a front-page story on how Mike met his demise.

As abominable as he's been, I hope the stories that follow him include the situation he was born into. We like our heroes and villains black and white; it makes them easier to keep track of as they change week to week. The truth is, the worst among us generally got off to starts that we wouldn't wish on our enemies. It's never an excuse, and boxing is littered with bullies, rapists, murderers, and hoodlums; but when I saw Mike on his ass in the fourth round, having shown he's got nothing left to add to the ring other than circus material, I saw a boy there, not a man, and though I might've only imagined it, he looked scared and lost.

That he could pull a George Foreman and salvage something out of a self-constructed mess is an optimistic thought. He needs someone now who will talk to him about his children and how they'll need a father; he needs someone to tell him he's only 38 and has a full lifetime ahead of him. He needs to be shown that he can be a man after he's stopped being a fighter.
But what he will get is people heckling him from across rope lines, more badasses who've had too much beer. And he will get plenty of people who Only Want To Help Him, and will offer him good money to fight Joe Palooka, or maybe even a bear, under a big-top.

I see his biggest fight as beginning right about now. The odds have him as underdog.
post #2 of 13
Tyson began his slide after he dumped Kevin Rooney as his trainer in a dispute over his then wife Robin Givens. Rooney was more than a trainer; he was also a friend who looked out for Tyson’s best interests. Unfortunately that was inconvenient for Givens and her mother who were only interested in his money. It had to be devastating to him to be emasculated on national TV by his wife.
The death of Cus D'Amato must have also been an other shot to the head.
If Rooney were still in his corner his life would have been much different.
post #3 of 13
D'Amato and Rooney protected Tyson (mostly from himself), but he was an out of control thug before he ever got in the ring. No one, including D'Amato, ever taught him anything of value beyond beating people up. He is a lost soul.
All of that was obvious to those of us who watched him from the beginning of his career, before he dumped Rooney.
post #4 of 13
Boxing is like prostitution, somebody does the dirty work, somebody else pays for the pleasure (spectator) and somebody else takes most of the money.

While I recognize nobody in the last 20 years brought as much excitement and attention to boxing as Tyson, I've seen some of his comments about women and they're ugly.

All too many boxers can't let go of the glory, making comebacks and suffering.
Of the three main heavyweights (at least for me) in the last 20 years, Tyson and Holyfield are still going way beyong their prime being humiliated by competition they would of blown away years ago. Both of them are risking long term injury. Lewis did the right thing calling it a day, I just hope he has the sense to stay retired.

Tyson is in debt and a rematch with Williams is probably his best bet to make money, but Tyson isn't good at avenging lost fights. I heard Tyson just had surgery on the knee he damaged in the first round of the Williams fight, so he has to recover from that before he starts training again.

Tyson is like a fighting pitbull terrier who's getting old. I can see him ending up back inside or not living too many more years.

If you only live by the sword you will probably suffer from it.
post #5 of 13
Tyson's debt is basically what is bringing him back into the ring. He has nothing else, all he knows is boxing. So he's doing what he feels he has to (signing up for 7 fights in the next 2 years because he is flat broke with a lot of debt).

I actually hope he wins at least a couple of the next fights he has, his confidencedefinately needs the boost.
post #6 of 13
Tyson: An unfortionate soul. Born with lacking mental capacity, severe emotional instability and a physical attributes that place other members of society in grave danger if he's allowed to walk the streets unrestricted.

If he was a dog, we'd humanely just put him down.
post #7 of 13
Mike's team are putting down the loss to the knee injury.

Maybe Mike will just end up like one of the boxers he KO'ed ......
post #8 of 13
Originally Posted by Rick
Tyson: An unfortionate soul. Born with lacking mental capacity, severe emotional instability and a physical attributes that place other members of society in grave danger if he's allowed to walk the streets unrestricted.

If he was a dog, we'd humanely just put him down.
Very well put.
post #9 of 13
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catchy and all but...

...he isn't a dog.
post #10 of 13
He isn't a dog? Fooled me!
post #11 of 13
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Larry Merchant

by Michael Woods,

The Mike Tyson comeback bandwagon is gaining passengers by the day. Larry Merchant, we are sure, will not be booking passage on that particular vehicle.

When asked his thoughts on the proposed - and proposed is always the right term to use until the bell rings and Tyson trades with his opposition - late July comeback fight, Merchant delivered a withering dissection of the fighter and the hoopla surrounding his return.

"I could care less," said HBO Sports' resident wordsmith.

But with the state of the division being what it is, Merchant was asked, is it implausible that Tyson could win a belt and engineer a stunning second-act professionally?

"There are so many belts, anybody can grab a belt," Merchant continued. "What does that mean?"

"I ask people like you who pose this question to me, 'Who was the last good fighter Tyson has beaten?'" Merchant said, and then paused for my reply.

I paused for two seconds, debating mentally the definition of the word "good," dismissed Botha from contention (sorry Frans) and answered, "Razor Ruddock."

Larry pressed. "And how many years ago was that?"

"Thirteen, fourteen years," I said.

"He was what, 24 or 25 then?" Merchant said.

I tried some quick math, remembering that Tyson will be 38 next week but failed the computation. Afterwards I looked it up; he beat Ruddock (UD 12)
two days before his 25th birthday.

Merchant continued: "Every time he fights a good fighter he gets his ass kicked."

I asked Merchant if there wasn't some silver lining here. At least Tyson brings some boxing ink onto the sports pages. Should we be grateful for those tidbits? Hey, in the orphanage, the little wretches dig into the dreadful gruel gratefully.

"People talk about how it's good for boxing; you're talking about a psychodrama, a psychopath," he said. "They're not talking about boxing. I'd rather people be talking about boxing, because then they're less interested in real fighters."

I then asked Merchant, who does not tolerate fools or foolish talk easily (remember how he clamped down on Lamon Brewster's boisterous corner after their man downed Wladimir Klitschko?), if he gets irked that column space and perfectly serviceable carbon dioxide is wasted on Tyson talk?

"I shrug it off," he said. "But it's a version of celebrity boxing. I understand, he's a notorious character, he's dangerous and unpredictable. I've been a newspaper person all my life. But I don't think Tyson fans are boxing fans, they're Tyson fans. I think he's driven away more fans than he's attracted."

Maybe, Larry, a portion of the public is eager to see "the mellowing of a monster?"

"Then let him win a fight," Merchant said in closing. "He got his ass kicked by Lennox Lewis and he became mellower. Maybe people tune in to see him get his ass kicked."
post #12 of 13
A few Mike Tyson quotes .....

“[He] called me a ‘rapist’ and a ‘recluse.’ I’m not a recluse.”

"My main objective is to be professional but to kill him."

"I want to rip out his heart and feed it to him [Lennox Lewis]. I want to kill people. I want to rip their stomachs out and eat their children."

"I like the British bikes. I like British people. They're real mellow."

"Anyone with a grain of sense would know that if I punched my wife I would rip her head off. It's all lies. I have never laid a finger on her."

"No one gives a f**k about me. No one cares if my children starve, if they're on welfare. I have to support my children. I need more money."

"It's interesting that you put me in the league with those illustrious fighters [Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson], but I've proved since my career I've surpassed them as far my popularity. I'm the biggest fighter in the history of the sport. If you don't believe it, check the cash register."

"At times, I come across as crude or crass, that irritates you when I come across like a Neanderthal or a babbling idiot at times. But I like to be that person. I like to show you all that person because that's who you come to see."

"I'm the most irresponsible person in the world. The reason I'm like that is because, at 21, you all gave me $50 or $100 million, and I didn't know what to do. I'm from the ghetto. I don't know how to act. One day I'm in a dope house robbing somebody. The next thing I know, 'You're the heavyweight champion of the world.' ... Who am I? What am I? I don't even know who I am. I'm just a dumb child. I'm being abused. I'm being robbed by lawyers. I think I have more money than I do. I'm just a dumb pugnacious fool. I'm just a fool who thinks I'm someone. And you tell me I should be responsible?"

"Boxing is a hurt business."

Mike, on his mother who died in 1982: "I never saw my mother happy with me and proud of me for doing something: She only knew me as being a wild kid running the streets, coming home with new clothes that she knew I didn't pay for. I never got a chance to talk to her or know about her. Professionally, it has no effect, but it's crushing emotionally and personally."

The one thing I know, everyone respects the true person and everyone's not true with themselves. All of these people who are heroes, these guys who have been lily white and clean all their lives, if they went through what I went through, they would commit suicide. They don't have the heart that I have. I've lived places they can't defecate in."

"Everyone in boxing probably makes out well except for the fighter. He's the only one that's on Skid Row most of the time; he's the only one that everybody just leaves when he loses his mind. He sometimes goes insane, he sometimes goes on the bottle, because it's a highly intensive pressure sport that allows people to just lose it [their self-control]."

To a question on whether he feels support from the common fan: "I don't feel love from them because there's no love. They don't know me as an individual; they know me for what I actually do. Because they pay to see me smash anybody. If they're white they pay, [it's] because the only thing they have respect for is my ability as an athlete. But if I was in court and I had to use them to testify against me on my character, they wouldn't testify positively against me and they would think I'm a cad..."
post #13 of 13
I'm one of those who watches to see him get his ass kicked.
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