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post #31 of 56
Roto, please, please, please do not get jaded! Since this topic has somehow been turned into one about great communicators, I can say that you are an instructor who always posts with exceptionally clear and vivid clarity!

I recall, a few years back, that you were the only one who could make me understand what the heck "centerline" was!
post #32 of 56
Thread Starter 
I could not, would not, for even Fox, moderate an instruction thread! I'm not up for flaming. That would do no one any good.

The problem, for me anyway, has always been what to ask. I don't understand the basics evidently, according to some, so how can I even begin to ask?

I enjoy learning, but I'm afraid Gonzo is right: I am no techno-geek.

I can honestly say I've learned more from Bob's (or was it Weems?) two word lesson ("Come Here") than all of the technospeak piled on top of each other. When I ski, I find myself saying in my head, "Go There", "Now Go There"....while winding my way down the trails. It's one way to block out a long run with small goals and make each one as perfect as I can make it, because the end of the goal is always near.

I "Go There" pretty good, then I "Go Here" pretty good, and while some runs are scary, each little section didn't add up to much to be afraid of. Baby steps.



End of rant.
post #33 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonni
I can honestly say I've learned more from Bob's (or was it Weems?) two word lesson ("Come Here") than all of the technospeak piled on top of each other. When I ski, I find myself saying in my head, "Go There", "Now Go There"....while winding my way down the trails. It's one way to block out a long run with small goals and make each one as perfect as I can make it, because the end of the goal is always near.

I "Go There" pretty good, then I "Go Here" pretty good, and while some runs are scary, each little section didn't add up to much to be afraid of. Baby steps.



End of rant.
You mention the word perfect. I'll toss out another Barnesism. I think he actually attributes it to the Mahres.

"You only made your best turn once"
post #34 of 56
Bonni, there's too many of us technogeeks already. If the world were mostly technogeeks, nothing would get done because the 4,157,358,322nd theory hadn't yet been discussed.

Hooray for your underdog status.
post #35 of 56
Can't wait for the new book. I know I have an unfair advantage when I teach, especially over here, because I have been exposed to Bob's teachings on how to better teach people to ski. I listen to people tie themselves in knots with half-understood technical stuff, and quietly think of the simpler way to get that important result with the student, where they go "yeah! that feels great!". I get those every day now, and I attribute it to quality american training, and Bob's wisdom and guidance. Bob is a great explainer, and we are priveledged to have him in these forums.

BTW, it's been dumping here all day and is set to continue all week. We are having a really solid season.
post #36 of 56
I once posted here but then I woke up and I was someone else so now I just go skiing, up and down, endlessly searching for the man who was Oz.

BB came to me in a vision and he reckons you all talk a load of bollocks and put everyone to sleep. Especially Rusted on Guy. It all went downhill when my mate SCSA got canned and George got elected.

Hi Nolo. That Phd must be almost done.

Hi Bonni. Vote Kerry. He promises to rid the world of bats.

Hi VSP. Sold any cars lately?

Ant and Disski rip.

My kids have discovered the terrain park and it is no longer safe to venture off the beginner hill.

Love youse all.

regards

MOZ a gaper that punts every turn.
post #37 of 56
Bob is so good that even SCSA loves him!
post #38 of 56
Do I need to cut and paste a few of SCSA's love notes?
post #39 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by philay
I once posted here but then I woke up and I was someone else so now I just go skiing, up and down, endlessly searching for the man who was Oz.
If you want to find Man from OZ

Send me a note.

DC
post #40 of 56
DC, unless I'm very much mistaken, I thought the two were the same person
post #41 of 56
Though the discussions here can become rather technical, occasionally obtuse and perhaps overly excited from time to time, it is a great forum.

During the last few seasons I've been here, there are few who's motives I would question. There is something about late July and August though that may not always bring out the best in passionate skiers. :
post #42 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lostboy
Though the discussions here can become rather technical, occasionally obtuse and perhaps overly excited from time to time, it is a great forum.

During the last few seasons I've been here, there are few who's motives I would question. There is something about late July and August though that may not always bring out the best in passionate skiers. :
Yeah, but if you live in the mountains you're happy all the time! Ever wonder why Bob is so nice?
post #43 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by philay
I once posted here but then I woke up and I was someone else so now I just go skiing, up and down, endlessly searching for the man who was Oz.


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Ski more - search less - sometimes you think too much ya know!
post #44 of 56
Hi gang--

As I look out the window at the blanket of the season's first snow, I just can't stay away any longer! Thank you all for your concern and kind words!

Just to update--I've been trying very hard to finish the new Fourth Edition of The Complete Encyclopedia of Skiing, and I've made a lot of progress on it. It isn't done yet, but I still expect to get it out sometime this winter. I very much appreciate the encouragement!

(Now if I can just manage not to spend all my time here at EpicSki....)

While I've resisted the temptation to post here over the summer, I have checked in now and then. I must say, I'm impressed (and sometimes amused) by some of the discussions that have taken place. PhysicsMan and others--you've really outdone yourselves when you managed to bring the Coriolis Effect into a discussion of ski technique. You really ought to get a hobby! (Kidding, of course--I am constantly impressed by the clarity of your explanation of some of the more obscure principles of physics that underly our sport. Thank you, and keep it up!)

Take care, everyone. I'll be around!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #45 of 56
so does corekneeholis make it into the 4th edition?

I would define that as the effect of lifting/lightening
post #46 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Barnes/Colorado
...you've really outdone yourselves when you managed to bring the Coriolis Effect into a discussion of ski technique...
I'M INNOCENT !!!

I'M INNOCENT !!!

Martin Bell brought it up first. He made me 'splain it. He did. He really did. It's all his fault.

Tom / PM


PS - For those that weren't around during the summer doldrums, Bob's reference is to posts #138 and #164 in the thread: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=17714&page=9&pp=20&highlight=Cori olis

PPS - A big, "Welcome back," Bob - We've missed you.
post #47 of 56

Thank you technogeeks

This summer an awesome coach laughed at me as he summed up my problems as "paralysis through analysis". I am very new to skiing and have had a difficult time finding instructors who can explain this sport to me. Fortunately, my summer coach was technically astute -- a lifesaver who led me to this epicski forum.

Till pouring through these illuminating threads I thought I was doomed to be a hopeless student -- the will to live being drained by every stupid guided discovery exercise I was forced to execute... all the feelings (emotions v. sensations) we had to stop skiing to discuss... the "cookie cutter" drivel recited by instructors who don't understand the concepts... (the drop of water through the bumps -- you'd be surprised how many people use that visual without being able to explain it)

Thank you epicski folks. You all have helped me immeasurably with your technical expertise and willingness to share. I understand why people glaze over with some of the discussions, but I haven't found any other resource that offers such valuable information. I also appreciate the lay explanations because I think they're probably the key to unlocking my paralysis.

Physicsman, mere thanks seem inadequate.
post #48 of 56
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Originally Posted by FallLine
...Thank you epicski folks. You all have helped me immeasurably with your technical expertise and willingness to share. I understand why people glaze over with some of the discussions, but I haven't found any other resource that offers such valuable information. I also appreciate the lay explanations because I think they're probably the key to unlocking my paralysis.

Physicsman, mere thanks seem inadequate.
Thanks, but there are a lot of other folks here on Epic that deserve to singled out for such praise a lot more than me (nevertheless you just guaranteed an "A" for yourself next semester ). I'm just an old guy that can put a theoretical foundation under some of this stuff.

Even tho that was embarrrassing as h-ll, thanks again for your kind thoughts.,

Tom / PM
post #49 of 56
I think it is fine to delve deeply into technical details about skiing: about forces and physics and biomechanics and so forth. For some folks, like me, this is quite interesting. BUT there is a danger of getting so wrapped up in understanding the stuff that the teaching skills are neglected. We come to think that we must be great teachers because we know so much.
Teaching people how to ski does not require much of this technical detail at all. An in-depth understanding of skiing might make you a better teacher but only if you can distill all the information into short, clear, non-technical explanations and use effective teaching methodology--along with a big dose of FUN!
post #50 of 56
I agree totally - KISS! But in the summer, watching Physicsman and Fastman debating with Daslider was the only ski-related fun to be had!
post #51 of 56
There be two ways a ski instructor can talk- The way the talk to everyday skiers and the way the talk to other instructors. Mixing up the two can be bad. When listening, be sure to know which mode the speaker is in. When speaking, be sure to know what mode the listerner is in.
post #52 of 56
>... An in-depth understanding of skiing might make you a better teacher but only if you can distill all the information into short, clear, non-technical explanations and use effective teaching methodology--along with a big dose of FUN! ...

WORD !!! I never speak in such technical detail to clients, and even to other instructors, I do so only rarely. It just isn't necessary & isn't appropriate.
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>... But in the summer, watching Physicsman and Fastman debating with Daslider was the only ski-related fun to be had! ...

Fortunately, the temperature and humidity are dropping, and I just got my "Returning Instructor Packet" in the mail, so I'm a lot less ornry than I am in the summer. In addition, teaching at university has started up again, so you probably won't be seeing many 300 message threads from me till next summer. .
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>... There be two ways a ski instructor can talk- The way the talk to everyday skiers and the way the talk to other instructors. Mixing up the two can be bad. When listening, be sure to know which mode the speaker is in. When speaking, be sure to know what mode the listerner is in. ...

WORD !!! (once again). A great, concise comment.
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Tom / PM

PS - The DaSlider incident frustrated Fastman terribly, and gave him such a bad taste about technical discussions on Epic that he has not returned. Because of his love of teaching & coaching people who want to learn, Fastman put a huge ammt of time, thought, and effort into constructing replies and explanations that daSlider would hopefully understand. When the evidence started to mount that daSlider was a crafty and malicious fellow who was intentionally being obtuse (and doing so in such a way that wouldn't be obvious to someone who was only casually following the discussion), this really bothered Fastman. The net result was that we on EpicSki lost the knowledge and experience Fastman could bring to any skiing discussion. I sincerely hope he will one day return.

PS#2 - For the record, I make the above laudatory statement about Fastman just on the basis of his insightful and well constructed messages he posted on Epic. I have never met Fastman, never have spoken to him on the phone, and don't even remember his real name (although I think he mentioned it once in a post).
post #53 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by learn2turn
There be two ways a ski instructor can talk- The way the talk to everyday skiers and the way the talk to other instructors. Mixing up the two can be bad. When listening, be sure to know which mode the speaker is in. When speaking, be sure to know what mode the listerner is in.
That is very, very well said. And completely true.
post #54 of 56
Agreed, Tom: Can't we bring back the FastMan?
post #55 of 56
Thread Starter 
Did I hear Cornholio, or was I dreaming?

Now that winter is just around the corner, it's time to get gear ready and reread some threads.

Any suggestions on which "rope" to read to get into ski mode again? One that's fairly simplistic, yet interesting to the average intermediate?
post #56 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by nolo
Agreed, Tom: Can't we bring back the FastMan?
I don't know. I sent him an email and private msg many months ago. The private msg was never read, and I received no reply to the email.

When winter returns, maybe so will he.

Tom / PM
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