Here are a few quotes from your last post in quotation marks and my responses appear below the quotes
"Sorry Rusty, but your making assumptions. Those books have nothing to do with inside leg steering at all. You should read them sometime. They all agree inside leg steering is also to be avoided just as outside leg steering is."
What book are you talking about?
"But, that is part of the semantical problem. People mean lots of different things by the term steering. Most students would hear the term steering and think it means pointing your toes into a new direction."
Most students would be correct. Steering MAY involve turning the foot or it MAY involve tipping the foot. You have gotten the idea from HH that turning the foot leg or ski is a bad thing. It is not. That is silly. No it is beyond silly it is absurd.
"It may be possible that you are not aware that there are these 3 major different systems of turning the skies being taught. You have old school traditional, new school traditional, and as a group of independents all teaching the same thing PMTS's phantom move, Lito's phantom edging, and Eric and Rob DesLauriers turn initiation."
Where in the world do you get these names? There is good teaching and bad teaching. Good teaching is GCT. It is an acronym for Guest Centered Teaching. I admire your love of reading, however, you are the one who has decided which texts are popular.
"It could be you don't see a contradiction here and think that 3rd way of turning is what your teaching. But since you seem misinformed and think the 3rd way is inside foot steering then it seems you are not aware of what is being taught by group 3. Or, you may have a bad example you are drawing conclusions from incorrectly. Inside leg steering results in diverging tips. You don't have diverging tips occuring in what Eric and Rob teach. To have that in powder is a bad thing."
No I don't teach PMTS. Inside leg steering may result in diverging tips. It may result in converging tips. Again, ad nauseum, you have harped on diverging tips. Who fed you this stuff or if you figured these "truths" out go back to the drawing board. I'm going to try one last time to explain inside leg steering to you. You can tip your inside foot, you can turn your inside foot, or you can blend both. If the result is that the inside ski turns.....it has been steered. It is no more complex than that. Oh.....thanks for the powder lesson.
"But I would be interested in what is "officially" taught. Being a student of skiing I'm always interested in where people are coming from. But, none of what you mention is available to the public. I have found these two links that to me are what I mean when I say ATS.http://www.geocities.com/skischoolweb/levelstree/
I don't know if that is what is meant by American Teaching System for sure just that's my current understanding."
Where do you see anything at the first link that would lead you to that conclusion? The second link deals with cert levels. Didn't Bob Barnes send you a copy of his dictionary? Go to page 30 and he explains ATS. THERE IS NO FREAKIN MENTION OF ROTARY OR STEERING!!!
There is NO OFFICIAL PARTY DOCTRINE. You have been fed that idea. Remember good teaching and bad teaching. Couldm it be the "system you have been sucked into is dogma?
"As far as your thoughts on rotary, I don't have any qualms with rotary as a result, but I have tons of qualms with it as an input."
If you ever seek to ski off piste or on something steeper than what you have experienced to date, you will come to understand the importance of rotary movements. Someone has convinced you turning a body part or your ski is bad. It ain't all tipping! The next time you visit Colorado go find something steep. You'll learn about rotary movements.
Lastly....the next time you are about to hit a tree something better create rotational input.
"Rusty, as it appears you have not actually read the material from these authors"
What authors are you referring to?
"I mentioned it could be you are like some people and don't like to read. You may want to check out this video from the PSIA NW site. In it you will see a proper description of inside foot movement patterns and you might finally realize that nobody is talking about inside foot steering here.http://www.psia-nw.org/articles/chec...ideo_revie.htm
I read. I have not had any exposure to the educational material espoused by the NW division, however, on the way to obtaining a level III certification in the RM division I was exposed to some pretty fair clinicians and educators. I'm sure that's true in the NW division as well.
"For a general discussion of what is good and bad about rotary in skiing you might want to read (sorry, that reading thing again):http://www.breakthroughonskis.com/Pa...ruction05.html
OK, the internet is a tough spot to communicate, however, your cute comments are getting on my nerves. I'll make a little wager right here. Wanna compare your c.v. to mine. Remeber....your the guy living in Indiana working and I'm the 49 year old who retired eleven years ago to teach skiing. I'd never have said that if you didn't fire the first two stupid salvos across my bow. I can't think of any circumstances that would ever lead me to Indiana. I'd have sent this little message in a private message, however, your p.m. function is off!
"(I'm not really meaning to pick you you about your obvious lack of reading about things you are commenting on but since you seem to think I'm being fed this stuff a fun tit for tat is in order."
Can someone from Indiana who reads more than I do please translate?