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post #31 of 49
Ski Make: Dynastar
Ski Model: Legend 8000
Ski Length: 172cm - 116/79/102
Snow Conditions Used In: Everything except blue ice
Number of Days Used: 20
Your Ability: better than some, not as good as others...
How Many Years Have You Been Skiing: 30+
Avg. Days per Year Skiing: 40+
Previous Skis: Intutiv74 (184)
Your Height/Weight: 5'7" 138lbs (170 cm 63 kg)

A little about me. I'm a weekend warrior that teaches at Alta. Typically, I get a few free runs in when I'm free, but most of my time is spent teaching. I work mostly with groomed run skiers and beginning off trail skiers (1-7). I can only afford one pair of skis, and wanted a ski that would do "everything". Without a doubt, this ski fits the bill. It is, without a doubt, the best all around ski I have ever been on. In a word, I would describe it a "nimble". Personally I like the soft flex pattern and the light weight. It's a great ski in the bumps, steeps and trees, where I can swing them like it's nobody's business. (I truly think this ski has elevated my bump skiing). It also transitions to the groomed really well. I've skied it in powder up to 24" and even in the shorted length it floats well. I've gotten it to hold in all but the ugliest of hard pack (yes it can get hard at Alta), put if really, really pushed it will chatter. But as I said, I'm willing to give up a bit of performance in one area for others. I got the p12 ti binding to go on them.

I thought hard about getting the 8800, but decided to go with the 8000 because of my teaching. Had I just been free skiing, I most likely would have made another choice (8800).
post #32 of 49
Originally Posted by Billiam
Coach 13: I realize the 8000 will not ski like the Pocket Rocket, B3, or other big skis in crud/deep powder. But, what I am looking for is a true all-mountain ski that will do well in such conditions. I would think that 79 mm is enough for most days, but I also want to do some quick turns, bumps, and trees on that same day. Hence, I want the do-everything ski, as I suspect 80 or 90% of us are looking for.

I would worry about the 79mm waist too much. Just look at ski widths from just a few years ago and this would be the biggest in many peoples lines. (This is the same as the "Big" from a few years ago.) If you know how to ski pow, this ski will work in those conditions.
post #33 of 49
opps' double post. Delete button?
post #34 of 49
I've been skiing the 8000 for a few weeks now in all conditions. These reviews , especially Ishull & Kiwi describe it perfectly. I wanted a ski that could handle everyday conditions at Alta, mostly ungroomed- which can include powder to hard steeps. It's a pure blast in powder and good in bumps. (I ski powder well but bumps poorly- the 8000 really helps there). Anything more than a foot deep makes one prefer the 8800 because it floats (blasts) better in monster crud. But the 8000 is so much more versatile in all other conditions, I'm sticking with that except on the deepest days. It's also kinda fun to sink a bit lower in the pow- more face shots- and the softer flex makes it arc and spring in the fluff.- the 8800 does that too.
Also, bonus; it skies effortlessly at slow speed and backwards. I could see why instructors would love it.

P.S. Obviously, this is not a GS race ski. It likes to go fast on corduroy, but crud up the groomers a bit, go real fast, and it gets bounced around. At P.C., on an empty slope, a guy blew past me doing perfectly carved GS turns. I cruise at speed, so that's unusual, so I fell in behind him attempting to emulate his turns. I quickly found the skis, or my, speed limit. At the lift I saw United States Ski Team on his jacket. He was on Elan GX race stock.Ok.
post #35 of 49
Got a full year to demo different skis before choosing the Legend 8000.
A year ago, skied in French Alps, mainly off-piste. Tried:
1. Public Enemy 178. Not so cool, difficult to turn, experienced sudden stops when meeting packed snow in powder runs. Did not like them too much.
2. Intuitiv (some rental wide ones) 175. A lil bit better, although thought them to be too stiff, because after them I tested...
3. Pocket Rocket 175. Loved these ones. Went everywhere, from glacier slopes GS carving to some 40cm powder. Took them again in May in Austria, though they didn't fare so well at groomed slopes, and finally I was happier with Volkl P60 GS model.

This December, I again tried Pocket Rockets, but this time they seemed so soft and unsteady... After one day, was back to the rent, and the Intersport guy in Austria highly recommended 8000's 178cm. After skiing them for 2 days, got absolutely thrilled. Won an amateur GS race on them - just ripped through.
Finally got them yesterday for $450, and it's probably the best bang for the buck I ever got. Groomed or powder - don't bother, just ski the same way you always do.
post #36 of 49
Bought a pair of 8000s for my western ski. So far, I have skied them in midwest conditions and they shined in all but bulletproof ice. In groomed, hard pack they were fine but I found their limits when the snow got scaped down to the ice.

Then, I wish I had my Atomic SX 11Ms with me.

These are a western ski and anyone skiing primarily on midwest/eastern "powder" should look at carving skis.
post #37 of 49

Comparative question regarding 8000 and its Intuitive Predecessor

Last few years, Dynastar's been getting a lot of good word of mouth from skiers. Several years ago, Peter Keelty's crew were raving about the Intuitiv 74 as a wonderful one-quiver ski which could almost 'do it all' ... This year, a number of smart skiers are singing the praises of the slight wider-waisted (79 vs 74) Legend 8000...but using surprisingly similar adjectives and descriptions about them - light feeling, nimble, floats, energetic, good in bumps, generally good in crud, and good on hardpack or ice.

I'm curious and have a question for all you Dynastar freaks who've actually skied both the Legend 8000 AND the previous Intuitiv 74 (in similar lengths) - how do these two skis compare?
post #38 of 49
Me - 5'5", 170 lbs - honest level 6 skier, but hadn't skiied for 6 years. Wanted to take out the B2, but it wasn't available. 8000 was my second choice. Utah had just gotten snow. I got a 165. To me, this was a very versatile and excellent performing ski. I was incredibly happy and fortunate to get this ski. The kicked up tail made it forgiving but it still held well on Utah corduoroy. You weren't punished for occasional form mistakes, especially at the end of the day when form occasionally suffers. However good form was rewarded with good responsiveness and edge grip. Initiating turns was a breeze and if I had to slam or skid a turn on the steeps, the ski went with the flow and always made me think I was in control. The ski felt light and easy to turn which made soft bumps and light powder far easier than I remembered it to be. They seemed very stable and I only remember a dash of chatter just once when I really turned them loose of a recently groomed black. We got a wet snow before the last night of skiing which continued into the last ski day at DV. It honestly seemed to make no difference to this ski. It just kept going. It seem to float pretty well over the light powder in the trees when we'd cross runs, but I can't speak to deeper powder abilities since deep powder is in reality above my ability (as I learned at Honeycomb Canyon at Solitude). I can't speak to ice abilities since there was none . I've already poked around ebay to see if any are available in my size. Not yet! I can't explain how confident I felt on these skis (in concert with new Lange CRL90's). I think if you didn't grow up racing and need a forgiving but highly capable all mountain ski, you owe it to yourself to Demo this ski. Not every ski matches every style. If you enjoy the challenge of soft bumps on blacks, blues and steep Utah snow style groomers but don't consider yourself an expert, you have to Demo this ski. I think this ski will service a very large range of skiers and skier levels. Light, tossable and forgiving to help advanced intermediates, but stiff enough to satisfy probably non hard core experts who probably would anecdotally be served by the more aggresive Atomic Metron series or similar.
To quote a phrase - Thumbs up!
post #39 of 49
They are very popular here. At Squaw this Sunday they and B2, and PR were the most popular skis I saw.

6' 2" 190 lbs
age 41
level 8-9
skiing 30+ years
Mt Rose in Tahoe (hardpack, trees, supersteep bumps, light crud, ice, windblown crust, no powder)
1 day demo

I posted this elsewhere but I concur with everything above. Sweet in bumps, nice in crud, quick edge to edge, lively, good edge hold but not race like grip. I did not purchase the 8000 for a few reasons:
  • I wanted more stability at speed; I ski very fast on groomers
  • Not as tenacious edgehold, quickness, or speed stability as my Skicross 10 but far better in the bumps and a sweeter feel in trees and crud
  • It's an amazing ski but I already had the Skicross 10 in my quiver. I wanted to 'counter' it with a more dedicated off-piste ski. I considered the 8800 but no demos were available at the time. FWIW, I purchased the Volkl Explosiv. I can easily see it being a great 1 quiver ski
  • There are times where I would like to be on the 8000 for sure!
post #40 of 49
I demoed a pair of 172s Monday in Telluride. I'm going to buy a pair. I found them very versatile, forgiving in the bumps, enough float for powder. A perfect choice for a 2 ski quiver with my SX:11s. These are not as stable at speed and take more work to keep the tail from coming around carving turns at speed. But thay're good enough at speed to be able to go pretty much anywhere I care to.
post #41 of 49
I am new to this forum but found it helpful in my search for new skis. I just bought the Legend 8000's in 178 length from Golf and Ski Warehouse.($449) I am a level 9 skier, 30+ days a year, 5'10", 170 lbs, 53 yrs old, 30 years skiing. I have demo'ed a number of skis over the past several years, most recently the Vokyl 724 Pros in 184 at Mammoth in a few inches of fresh cement. I liked that ski a lot but they were heavy as Panzer tanks (good German construction.)

I have now skied the Legends for 2 days in poor conditions. Day one was very icy in AM but started snowing lightly, a couple of inches of powder by day's end. Skis carved extremely well in icy/hardpack, quick short turns in moderate icy bumps were fun, even in flat poor light. Day 2, yesterday I was tree skiing in 8" of very wet crud (it snowed overnight but turned to rain in AM and was raining/sleeting, foggy, poor visibility when I skied). Even in this slop, these skis rocked. Easy turning, short and long turns, great float. I only wish I had bought these skiis 10 years ago, but unfortunately excellent skis like this hadn't been invented.
post #42 of 49
brewski, welcome to EpicSki! Great initial post, too; thanks for sharing your experience.

BTW, if you think the 7 24 Pros are heavy, don't bother ever trying an Atomic Metron:b5!

Glad you like the Legend 8000s!
post #43 of 49
I just dropped off my new pair of legend 8000's to be mounted at my local shop. I remember reading somewhere that the legends should be mounted forward of center. the guy at the shop did not know anything about this, and showed me the mark on the ski where the mounting jig attaches. their store does not sell dynastar. can anyone confirm how these should be mounted? i just want to make sure this is done right. thanks

post #44 of 49

Legend 8000 bindings mount

There are bindings out there that can be adjusted forward/backward to accomodate snow conditions. (The Looks don't). I don't think I'd mess with mounting the bindings in a position other than recommended by the manufacturer, however.
post #45 of 49
See rivercoil's recent thread on legend 8000 mounting position for a bit more info on this. As I understand it, the upshot it:

the 04/05 legend 8000 has a mounting point that is 1.5 cm in front of the mounting point on the 05/06 legend 8000. I believe the skis are identical in every other respect (other than cosmetics -- on the 05/06 one the "dynastar" in the silver arrow at the front of the ski is in black).

For most purposes, you probably won't notice the difference much at all. But which is better for you depends on what type of skiing you do most.
post #46 of 49
What 20th skier said.

Either mount em on the point or 1.5 cm back. But don't mount them 1.5 cm forward of the mark. You'll be doing the tip dive in powder and your center will be WAY off.
post #47 of 49
Just skied the 8000 yesterday. This year I have skied, Pocket Rockets, Streetracers, Atomic Metron 10's, Atomic SX11, Crossmax Pilot, Salomon Equipe 10 RC pilots, Salomon Scramblers, Volkl 5 stars and some Elan skis that I don't even bother to remember....
Looking for the most versatile ski, two have stood out: the 8000 and the Metrons.
The 8000 as the most lively and nimble, the Metrons as the most powerful and stable. None of the other skis I tested made me happy both on and off the piste. The 8000 is probably the better choice for allround offpiste conditions, whereas the Metrons were more of a blast on the trails. I have unfortunately not had the opportunity to test the Metron b5, but from what I hear is sounds like a beefed up 10. Not having tried it, I am now going to look for a good deal on the 8000.
post #48 of 49
razorface, the b5 is more like a beefed up 11. And the 11 is quite a bit more ski than the 10. Skied the b5s in great spring fresh yesterday (and in spring concrete on Saturday). They are really powerful, stable, and quick-turning in all conditions. I did notice that the edges started to dull late on Saturday after ripping around on hardpack all day...
post #49 of 49
I might just have to hideoutside Mr Crabs house to mug him some early moring and steal his legand 8000s i really like that ski and i can't afford new skis. So guess i'll have to resort to crime
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