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Review: Dynastar Legend 8000

post #1 of 49
Thread Starter 
Ski Make: Dynastar
Ski Model: Legend 8000
Ski Length: 186cm - 116/79/102
Snow Conditions Used In: Groomers, lumpy towards the end of the day
Number of Days Used: 1
Your Ability: 9
How Many Years Have You Been Skiing: 22
Avg. Days per Year Skiing: 30+
Other Skis You Like: Volkl 7:24 Pro, Dynastar 4x4 Big
Your Height/Weight: 182cm, 80kg
Comments:

First impressions - Smooth and easy to turn, nice short turns, does all size turns equally well and happy to change between them. Railed well on lumpy groomers but (relatively) soft flex meant it didn't have the edge hold of my old race skis (but then again I wouldn't expect them to). Light weight meant they are easy to throw around in short turns, they are faster edge to edge than my 70mm waist 4x4 Powertracs. The light weight is partly due to the Titanium version of the P12 lifter binding. BTW the regular width brakes fit perfectly with no bending. I am glad I got the 184cm version instead of the 178cm and that I got moderate lift under the bindings. The skis don't feel wide on groomers, I haven't taken them off piste yet so I will update this report when I do. I suspect they will be great in fresh snow. They may be thrown around a bit in choppy crud, but only at high speeds. I think the flex will be a good compromise between the needs of hard and soft snow. They suit a finesse style rather than trying to muscle them around turns and they don't need to be skied short, I think there will be a lot of people who would want a longer length than the 184cm if it was available.

Overall - good first impression in contitions which were not ideal for these skis. I can't wait to try them in softer snow.
post #2 of 49
Glad to see that at least someone is getting out and skiing. I also enjoyed that ski when I demoed it in March. Back when we had snow. Now it's your turn. Enjoy your season.
post #3 of 49
Thread Starter 
Cheers Max. I have spent all summer hearing about the winter over there so it is great to get some snow finally.

Ok, I was on them for the second day yesterday, my first impressions that they were good, now I think the L8k is the greatest ski I have ever used. The weather was a lot better, when I was on them last I had to stop on every run to wipe the sleet off my goggles and it was close to being a total white-out. Yesterday you could see, and there were more runs open but still no off piste. On steep icy runs they were quick and strong edge to edge and turned with no effort (I have been using skis with less sidecut than these). Long fast railed turns were smooth and solid, and when you wanted to slide the tails out to scrub speed or change the turn shape it just took a subtle movement, instead of trying to wrestle them out of their predetermined turn shape like you have to with some skis (Monster 85). For those people who like the ski to tell them how to turn, or who can't balance on a railed edge easily you will find youself skidding a lot. But those who can carve in any condition will appreciate how easy it is to change the turn shape and go into and out of a railed turn.

Overall they were a huge amount of fun on groomers but you just know they are going to be even better in soft snow.
post #4 of 49
kiwiski, Enjoy your snow. It goes by to fast, we're about 4 months away from early season skiing. I'll be looking forward to hearing about your season. Keep us posted.
post #5 of 49
can you compare them to intuitiv bigs? (02-03 I think)
post #6 of 49
Thread Starter 
I haven't skied the Intuitiv Big but did demo the Legend 8800 (188cm) last weekend which I believe is the same ski. It really wasn't a fair trial for the 8800, there were only a few groomers open and there was no soft snow. But on groomers they were a lot more sluggish than the 8000, you had to muscle them around the turns and it took a lot of speed to get them going. They are meant for soft snow but I can't say what they are like in that.

However I do own a set of the old 85mm waist 4x4 Big (194cm) and love them. They need quite a bit of speed to get going but they blast through anything and everything. They are awesome in soft snow, and let you do high speed GS turns through anything and everything, they take a bit of strength and techniqui but aren't as punishing as some fat skis I have used.

Comparing these fat skis with the 8000 is difficult, because even though there is only 6 or 10mm difference in the waist, the length and sidecut means they are in totally different categories. The 8000 is an incredibly versatile mid-fat which is good at everything, the 8800 is a specialist powder ski which is great at just one thing.

To illustrate the differences, if I had to give the skis a score in different conditions it would go something like this:

Skinny carving ski 65-70mm waist
Groomers: 9/10
off piste: 3/10

Legend 8000
Groomers: 8/10
off piste: 8/10

4X4 Big
Groomers: 4/10
off piste: 9/10

Max - Every season is over too fast but I am planning on spending January in France to get my fix (I have already had 3 ski holidays in the States so it is time for a new adventure). I will be heading to The Remarkables and Cardrona this weekend (do a search on google for more info). So I will hopefully be able to post pictures next week.
post #7 of 49
Thread Starter 
Ok, it is now mid season here in NZ and I have now skied the 8000 in every type of snow, including waist deep powder - yesterday!! And it really is the Olympic decathlete of skis, there is nothing it doesn't do well. It rails on groomers, turns nicely, can be thrown around in tight chutes and blasts through powder and crud with ease. One point to note is that you don't need to ski it short, it is relatively light weight so even at 184cm you can throw them around in short turns very easily.

One interseting thing is the hull shaped tips really do help them track well in heavy powder, I spent the morning on my old Bigs and had to constantly make an effort to keep both skis pointing in the same direction, they would have a tendency to wander off if you weren't careful (not a canting issue). But the Legends always stayed where they were supposed to.

I have demoed a few other skis over the last few weeks so here are my impressions of them:

B2 176cm - Nice smooth stable ski, solid on groomers and fine off piste but the tail was a bit too wide and soft for my likeing.

Karma 177 - It loved steep choppy crud but was a bit too soft and wide for groomers. A good all mountain ski if your mountain is Alta.

R11 170cm - It does solid short turns on groomers but short length and narrow waist meant it got thrown around off piste. Fine if you only do 1 run a day off the groomed trails.

Sugar daddy 163cm - you might as well have a couple of snowboards strapped to your feet. They wanted to do powder 8s. And nothing else.
post #8 of 49
Kiwi,

I'd be interested in hearing your comparison between the 8000 and 724 Pro. Does the Legend come close to the Pro's stability? I imagine the Legend is a better short turner, and is better in bumps because the tail is more tapered off, sound about right? I'd be interested in any comments you have.

Thanks
post #9 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matter
Kiwi,

I'd be interested in hearing your comparison between the 8000 and 724 Pro. Does the Legend come close to the Pro's stability? I imagine the Legend is a better short turner, and is better in bumps because the tail is more tapered off, sound about right? I'd be interested in any comments you have.

Thanks
Matter

I've skied both of these skis and I think the 8000 is every bit as stable as the Pro. To me the biggest difference in these skis are that the 8000 has quite a bit more rebound than the Pro. The Pro, as expected, is much more damp than the 8000. I also think the 8000 is quite a bit more forgiving than the Pro due to the turned up tail. Personally, I like the 8000 better mostly because of the lively feel vs. the Pro's dampness, but obviously that preference varies skier to skier. As a comparison point I think the Pro skis very similar to the K2 XP.

For what it's worth, Keelty's RealSkier site rates the 8000 higher than the Pro in every area including stability.
post #10 of 49
Thread Starter 
Coach 13's comments are right on. The 8000 is easily as stable as the 7:24 pro, but the Pro is more of a heavy stable, but the 8000 is more of a supple, catlike stable. My impressions of the Pro and the 8000 are very similar, the most noticable difference being the Pro feels slower. The Legend hasa bigger sweet spot and feels quicker edge to edge even though it is wider. THe Pro is a nice ski but the 8000 is just a little bit better in almost every respect.

When I tried the XP I wasn't very impressed, it felt stiff and the dampening (or lack of) felt harsh. The tips kept diving in soft snow so they got wiped off my short list.
post #11 of 49
I think it's safe to say "There's a new Sheriff in town, boys.....His name's DYNASTAR." :

Oooh Fah!
post #12 of 49
Thanks for the info Kiwi and Coach, I appreciate it.

I've been hearing really great things about the whole Legend lineup. Dynastar is one of the few brands I typically don't have access to (Fischer being the other) so I appreciate the feedback. I didn't like the Intuitiv 74 very much at speed, so I'm glad the Legend is better in that area. If its even close to the 724 Pro in stability I'll be more than impressed. I loved the time I spent on the 724 Pro last year, but it looks like I might have to order a pair of 8000's and see how they compare. The specs on the 8000 look about perfect for an all mountain board. Wood core, mellow sidecut, nice 79 mm waist, and a tapered off tail so you don't feel locked into one turn shape in tight areas - looks like a sweet ski.
post #13 of 49
Ski Make: Dynastar
Ski Model: Legend 8000
Ski Length: 178cm - 116/79/102
Snow Conditions Used In: Glacier
Number of Days Used: 1
Your Ability: Whatever
How Many Years Have You Been Skiing: 20
Avg. Days per Year Skiing: 20
Other Skis You Like: Dynastar 4x4 Big, j nobis, pocket rocket
Your Height/Weight: 180cm, 75kg
Comments:

I was hoping that these would be my skis for this year. Maybe I went in with too high of expectations, but I'd have to say that they let me down a bit. Where as the old 4x4 big had a beefy feel to it, and the j nobis model had one of the smoothest flexes ever, the 8000 didn't score in either direction. It didn't feel very precise (like th 4x4 big), but at the same time lacked the oh so buttery flex of the j nobis.
post #14 of 49
I found the 8000 a bit lightweight. They were agile, but lacked the heft and stability I expected in a all-terrain ski. They got knocked around too easily.

Here on the west coast, the snow has high water content (especially at Mount Baker) so you need a solid ski. It may be different where you live.

I also demo'd the Volkl 724, which I liked better than the 8000 for stability.

Ultimately, I chose the Atomic Metron EX. The M:ex's are designed to float in fluff and bust crud. However, I also found them better at speed and in short turns on steeps. A swiss army knife.

For me, they offered the best combination of responsiveness, stability and all-terrain power.
post #15 of 49
Can't wait to get my new 8000s. Bought them over K2, Volkl, Atomic, and Rossi based on feedback from a friend.

Last midfat I really liked was the Volkl Crossranger. Had the G31 and the G3 but still preferred the Crossrangers.
post #16 of 49

Oh boy, more controversy

I had an ealier question at this forum that essentially asked: how can the 8000 be so good in crud and tough snow cuz it's so thin and unsubstantial looking? Answers were basically, it's a great ski and does everything well.

I demoed the Legend 7400 and I felt like Captain Strato did about the 8000 - not much stability or heft on the trail. I still worry that the 8000 will not perform like a good powder ski in deep or heavy snow. But, yet most everyone at this site sings its praises in ALL conditions.

I have the feeling there are a zillion views of this thread because so many folks are looking for the ultimate all-mountain tool and the Legend 8000 is near the top of everyone's list.
post #17 of 49

Demo Day at Loon, Nh/Dynastar Legend 8000

Sorry in advance for the length of this post.

Yesterday, I finally got out to a demo day at Loon Mountain in Lincoln, NH and tried 10 or so different skies. I'm a lightweight at 150 lbs. and 5'9" and am an advanced+ skier (I guess a 7 on the 9 scale). I've been skiing for 30 years (started when I was 6). This is my first season back after 7 years in Illinois (I now live in NH) and I was surprised to find significant differences between skis these days. Of course, all of the changes are great from my old straight K2s.

Prior to the demo day, I had read all the ski magazines, read many posts on this forum and was ready with my long list of skies to try. To my dismay, Atomic did not show up as there were too many demo days at neighboring mountains, so I didn't get to try the famed Atomic B5 or the M:11 (probably too much ski for my frame anyway). But at the end of the day, I didn't care because I fell in love with the Dynastar 8000s.

The Dynastar was great in all conditions we had yesterday which included early morning corduroy (what ski isn't good there?), small to medium bumps, deeper snow near the bottom of the run (probably 4 to 6 inches deep) and, of course, some classic afternoon sheets of ice.

Here are my comments on the different skis I tried:

Dynastar Legend 8000
165 cm

Great grip on the ice (which surprised me considering the hefty waist), quick ski under the feet in all conditions, with the ability to do short and med rad turns. Loads of fun around the bumps (I'm not talking mogul fields here, just bumps forming throughout the day). The place where they blew every other ski away was in the deeper snow. I felt like I floated right across the top of the stuff. I was able to snap the tail through the turns without breaking my legs and had an absolute blast. This was not powder, but it didn't seem like crud either. I'm not familiar with all the terminology, but this was just man-made snow pushed to the side of the slope which I was seeking out to test the skis (it was not wet and there weren't chunks of ice either). The ski was so much fun that I went straight from the slope and bought a pair of the 165 cm 8000s with Look P10 bindings. My 230 pound, level 9 father-in-law loved this ski too. It was his favorite for all-mountain, though he love the Volkl 5 Star for carving.

Dynastar Legend 4800
165 cm

Nice ski that I would highly recommend. One of the Loon ski instructors bought it after he demoed it. Like the 8000, it had great edge grip and was easy to turn, but it didn't seem to do anything better than the 8000, and was not as good in the deeper stuff. My father-in-law didn't like this ski at all. His experience was very different, we think in part b/c of his size and power (230 lbs at 6'). The ski didn't edge well for him (he was in the 178cm). This was his least favorite ski of the day. It makes you realize how important demoing skis can be.

Head Monster iM 75 Chip
163 cm

They only had this in the 163cm (no 170cm). This was my second pick of the day. Grip on the ice was great. I disagree with Ski Mag that "short turns [are] nearly impossible," but that's probably b/c this was such a short ski. I thought it turned very quickly and easily and was a lot of fun, but in the thicker stuff, it just wasn't as exciting as the 8000. The tails got caught up a little bit too much.

Elan Fusion M666
168 cm

Great ski in the heavier stuff, but thumbs down everywhere else for me. It wasn't quite as much as fun as the Dynastar 8000 in the thick stuff b/c it got weighted down a little more. On other conditions, I was able to do some decent medium rad turns, but it just didn't grip well on the ice at all. This prevented me from even trying shorter turns b/c I was struggling to keep control in the icier conditions. My father-in-law, a level 9 skier, tried the 176 cm and felt the same way. Neither of us were happy with this ski (except in heavier stuff). It could have been that the skis needed tuning. As a note, the Dynastar rep was constantly tuning every ski as it came in, but no other rep was.

K2 Apache Crossfire
167 cm

They didn't have any recon's short enough for me (I think 181cm was the shortest). Nevertheless, the Crossfire was a nice ski. It sank in the deep stuff, but carved great and was a good ski. Of course, this ski is really in a different category than what I was looking for (an all mountain take me anywhere ski). The one disappointment was that it was somewhat boring. I used to love K2s and have read great things about the skis. There wasn't much "wow" factor here.

Volkl 5 Star
162 cm (or 163?)

I wanted to try the 724 Exps, but they didn't have any short enough. The 168cm in the 5 star was out and I didn't want to wait, so I went with the 162. I was only trying this ski b/c my wife, another level 9 skier, loved it. Wow!!! I agreed. This ski was a blast. So much power in this ski, the grip was awesome and I was able to just snap out short turns all the way down the mountain. In the heavy snow, it was rough, but this is a carver, so it was expected. If I had the money, I would have bought these skis along with the Dynastar 8000s.

My wife's two cents on this ski are as follows: "They accelerate through a turn and have great edge grip even on ice. They get caught in the wet stuff, but performed beautifully in everything else on piste. They can take you either through a slalom or gs course easily." She demoed the 168cm at Killington on December 8th of this year...a snowy, but wet day. I demoed the Rossignol Bandit B1's that day and was exhausted at the end of the day trying to turn them through the wet, heavy snow.

Nordica SUV 12
170 cm

Lots of fun carving down the mountain with nice edge grip. It had some good zip to it, but this, I don't think, is really an all mountain ski. It performed poorly for me in the heavier snow....quite a bit of work to get the tails to pull through the turns. All in all a decent ski.

Salomon Scrambler 8 Pilot
165 cm

I had some high expectations about this ski based on what I had read. My one run on this ski didn't meet any. I couldn't wait to get them off and move on. What a boring ski! I don't consider myself a fantastic skier, but this was just not enough ski for me (and I'm a lightweight). It gripped well and the short turns were easy, but not exciting. No real accelleration though the turns worth mentioning. And in the heavier snow, it was only ok. Of all the skis I tried, this was the only one that had some chatter at moderate speeds. For me, this ski was a big thumbs down !

There were a lot of other skis I would have liked to try, but they didn't have them. I didn't take the time to try the Rossi B2 b/c I disliked the B1 from an earlier experience (see Volkl 5 Star para. above). Just too boring.

In my opinion, if you are looking for an all mountain ski, you can't go wrong with the Dynastar 8000. It's just so much fun. My only regret is still Atomic. Why weren't they there?! Oh well, I'll be at Sunapee this Sunday, Bretton Woods over New Years and Sugarloaf in early February having a blast on my new 8000s and won't be looking back. I hope this post helps those of you who aren't able to get out on some demos this year.
post #18 of 49
Nice reviews, nhskier!
post #19 of 49
Thanks ssh! Your reviews from October were great and, along with the ski mags, helped steer me around the demo day tents. Thanks!! Your reviews of the Atomics are also part of the reason that I am so bummed about Atomic not showing, but we seem to be very different skiers. I'm more comfortable with moderate speeds and short to medium, non-gs turns. I'm also still working on the transition from older style skiing to the newer "let the skies stay on the snow and do the carving for you by bending your ankles and flexing forward in the boots" advice.

I got lucky at the demo day b/c Jeb Boyd, Loon Mountain's director of skiing and US Demo Team member (the only member from New England) was at the Dynastar tent (he skis Dynastars). He took me out for a couple of runs and gave me some pointers to help make the transition. And what a difference his help made!

Still, I would have loved to try the Atomics. The 8000 was just so sweet, I couldn't resist buying it!
post #20 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billiam
I still worry that the 8000 will not perform like a good powder ski in deep or heavy snow.
The 8000 won't perform like a good powder ski in deep snow, so you can stop worrying. Of course, it shouldn't due to it's 79mm waist vs the 90+mm waist of a powder ski.

I can see how people can be "let down" with their experience with a ski recommended by others. The one thing to be remembered is ski reviews are relative to the tester's tastes, abilities, and the conditions that they are testing in. The simple fact is that just because you hear that many people like a certain ski, doesn't mean you'll feel the same way. Hence the demo, demo, demo recommendations that ring here on a regular basis.

From my standpoint the 8000 is a fine all purpose ski that I found to perform well in all the conditions that I've skied it in, which is why I bought a pair. Will it out perform a powder ski in deep snow? Will it be quicker than a carving ski? Will everybody that skis the 8000 love these skis. The answer is a simple no. But should we really expect otherwise?
post #21 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach13
The one thing to be remembered is ski reviews are relative to the tester's tastes, abilities, and the conditions that they are testing in. The simple fact is that just because you hear that many people like a certain ski, doesn't mean you'll feel the same way. Hence the demo, demo, demo recommendations that ring here on a regular basis.
How true this is! For example, I loved the Dynastar 4800 when demoed and my father-in-law hated it.
post #22 of 49
For the record, the Legend seems to work as an all purpose ski in both the men and women's models. The Exclusive legend has similar dimensions to the 8000. My experiences with this ski were similar to kiwiski's. They carve quite well on the groomers. excellent bump ski as well.

The 8000 or the Exclusives would probably be a great ski for an Easterner who makes a few trips a year out West, and does not want to invest in a powder ski.
post #23 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisamarie
The Exclusive legend has similar dimensions to the 8000.
Dynastar rep told me that the Exclusive Legend was the same as the 4800, both with a 75 waist, as opposed to 79 or 80 waist on the 8000. So if demoing, probably should try both the Exclusive Legend and the 8000 for comparison.
post #24 of 49
I found the dynasters soft and little edge grip!

like the volk 724 pro and the
Head monter im 75 chip wow! what a ski!! the first head I have skied in along time! these are not your dady;s Heads!
6'2" 200 pounder
post #25 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by sam stone
I found the dynasters soft and little edge grip!

like the volk 724 pro and the
Head monter im 75 chip wow! what a ski!! the first head I have skied in along time! these are not your dady;s Heads!
6'2" 200 pounder
Sam,

Just another example of how ya gotta demo before you buy. It could have been tuning, but I didn't find the Head's much better than the 8000s for edge grip on New England ice. Of course, I'm only 150lbs, and the Dynastar rep kept all his skis tuned throughout the day.

Where'd you ski the Head's and Dynastars? What conditions?
post #26 of 49
Coach 13: I realize the 8000 will not ski like the Pocket Rocket, B3, or other big skis in crud/deep powder. But, what I am looking for is a true all-mountain ski that will do well in such conditions. I would think that 79 mm is enough for most days, but I also want to do some quick turns, bumps, and trees on that same day. Hence, I want the do-everything ski, as I suspect 80 or 90% of us are looking for.
post #27 of 49
Billiam: That's a tall order, but the 8000 could do it for you. As indicated above, I found the 8000 too light for my tastes in the heavy, ungroomed Cascade snow (I'm 6'1"/200 lbs). But, for many all-round applications, the 8000 could be an excellent choice.

The Atomic M:ex's I ultimately purchased, although outstanding in crud, powder, and high speeds, likely wouldn't give you the quick turn and bump capability you seek. The 79 mm 8000's would be better in this regard. It's all about making the right trade-off's.

A ski that gives more in one direction, takes it away in another. There's no "magic". Although today's skis are amazing compared to what we had 10 years ago, they're still bound by physics. Therefore, one must decide what's important and choose the best balance of attributes.

Based upon your preferences, it appears the 8000 is a worthy contender.
post #28 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Strato
Therefore, one must decide what's important and choose the best balance of attributes.
Absolutely true!! I think too many people get "wrapped around the axle" looking for that one ski that "the best" on all levels. That one "best" ski's just not out there, IMO.
post #29 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billiam
Coach 13: I realize the 8000 will not ski like the Pocket Rocket, B3, or other big skis in crud/deep powder. But, what I am looking for is a true all-mountain ski that will do well in such conditions. I would think that 79 mm is enough for most days, but I also want to do some quick turns, bumps, and trees on that same day. Hence, I want the do-everything ski, as I suspect 80 or 90% of us are looking for.
I skied the 8000 last week and I think it will fit those needs. I'm 6' 2" and 185 lbs; skiing for about 35 years. I don't know what level but it's up there.

I took the Dynastar 8000 all over the mountain and hit everything except powder: super steep bump runs, groomers with pkd powder and hardpack, trees with crud that was both hard and soft. I almost purchased the ski. It's not as quick as my Dynastar Skicross 10 on hardpack (but it's still pretty quick and not at all sluggish) but it's better in the super steeps and bumps; it has a bigger sweet spot too and is easier to ski than the Skicross 10. More forgiving but not at all too soft; stiffer than the PR or Seth Pistol in my humble opinion.

I did not buy it because I have the Dynastar Skicross 10 and I'm looking to expand my quiver in the 'other direction' with a big mountain off piste demon such as Volkl Explosive(94mm waisted stiff beast) and probably a powder ski like the Volkl Gotoma or K2 Made 'N' AK.
post #30 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by sam stone
I found the dynasters soft and little edge grip!
The little edge grip was probably a matter of dulled edges. Gotta keep them tuned! Got my Dynastar Legend 8000s out on terrible icy conditions at Sunday River, ME on Jan 1 and decent groomed conditions at Bretton Woods, NH on Jan 2. My past experience with this ski was that the edge grip was very good for so much ski underfoot. This was still the case on Saturday at Sunday River (though something like Volkl 5 Stars with a shorter turning radius would have been a better ski), but by the end of the day at Bretton Woods when ice started showing up everywhere, the ski had a hard time holding its edge. It was simply a matter of dulled edges at that point, IMO. All the ice and poor conditions had done a number on my poor new skis!: Granted, I'm 5'9" and 150lbs, not 200 lbs., but I know that others in the 230+lb. range felt it had good edge grip on icy conditions. Keep 'em tuned and I don't think there'll be a problem.

With respect to the softness of the ski, I feel that it is more nimble than other skis in its class, which makes it better for me on bumps, but I was able to push the ski somewhat (not huge speeds, but moderate+) and it wanted more than I was willing to give (no chatter at all). But this ski feels much lighter than the Head im chip 75s. The Head is a fantastic ski, IMO, but feels heavier. Maybe the feeling was dampness. I don't know. It didn't feel more substantial than the 8000, just heavier, IMO.

One other observation about this ski: while it has very good edge grip, that does not equate to great acceleration through short turns. It is not a great carver of short radius turns, which is probably obvious with the 18 or 19m turning radius. That is not to say that shorter turns are hard or will break your legs with this ski. Rather, they are relatively easy given the skis turning radius. But in the short turns, you won't be able to get them up on edge like a Volkl 5 Star and be catapulted through the turn.

It's just a good thing that there are so many great choices for skis on the market, so that we can all be happy with what we are skiing. You just have to demo to know what fits your personality, IMO!
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