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Summer MA Video

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Here's a video from a member for your MA practice.

I don't have any information about the clip other than he/she wants to remain anonymous for now.

Video Clip
post #2 of 15
I really liked the selection of a smooth path when possible and the great absorption when it's not smooth. Very inspiring. Especially impressive is the 12th turn, where he seamlessly decides at the last moment to go wider. I'm pretty sure I could not have pulled off that move.
However, I'd be interested in seeing what happened before and after this video.
Especially after, because if you freeze the last frame, it looks like the tips are about to cross in a major way, leading to at least a big bobble. So, Mr. Unknown Bump Master, if your ego allows it, let's see the rest of the run. Even Harald Harb includes a bobble at the bottom of his bump run video.
post #3 of 15
It all looks good to me. Hands are up and the pole plants just keep on coming, mostly in the fall line, good absorption. I don't see the impending tip cross that Miles anticipates. If there are any major flaws here, I don't see them. Perhaps the apparent soft snow allows an abrupt edge set that could lead to trouble on hard snow, just speculation. I think this skier could adjust to that though. I like the fourth turn, the skis come out well over the bump and the skier appears to be rocked into the back seat but this skier get back on it and extends to get the skis back into the trough. The cap looks like an ESA 1 hat. Is this one of the coaches?

I wish I could ski bumps as well as this.
post #4 of 15
First of all you always have an endless supply of good video footage for movement analysis!

It is well balanced athletic skiing done by a stong skier. The individual has excellent steering skills evidenced by their ability to direct their feet in a given path.

I noticed a couple of things that I'm trying to improve in my own skiing, hence, I'm biased to look at what others do in this realm.

I have a bad habit of dropping my hands in bumps. I noticed the skier in this video doing this on occasion. The tendency when I do this is for the opposite ski tail to skid. I also see a bit of a blocking pole plant on a majority of the turns which makes the sking look a little disjointed in spots.

A couple of turns the skier's head/upper body get rocked pretty hard and the bumps don't look all that big. That would lead me to think the front of his boots are leveraged pretty hard. We have seen the "packpedaling" animation at the site and this more than anything has smooted out my trip through bumps.

Unlike others who have glanced at the video, I don't see a great deal of flexion and extension in this skier. It appears they kind of find a comfortable mid point in their stance and stay there as opposed to getting long between bumps. Again, great steering and that seems to be at the expense of flexion/extension.

A very good skier and great video.

If it were me I'd work on the whole pole plant in conjunction with flexion/extension.
post #5 of 15
Great skiing! I'm pretty sure I know who this skier is, even though I must admit that it doesn't look like the style (i.e. line) that I'd normally expect to see him skiing. One give-away to the identity of the skier is his very strong leg-steering skills, as Rusty points out. He cleanly directs both skis precisely where he wants them to go. Note that, despite powerful rotary movements of the feet and legs, the skis still travel almost always the direction they're pointed. There is very little intentional braking or lateral displacement of the skis (skidding), especially when the edges are engaged.

These bumps are not huge, nor are they terribly steep for a skier of this caliber. I believe we'd see different tactics on a more demanding run. But what we see here is a very nice line, minimizing the need for great absorption (flexion-extension), although, as Miles notes, the capability to absorb more when needed is evident too. Good tactics! Very accurate fore-aft movements as well, as evidenced by the skis nicely following the contour of the snow. Only occasionally does the skier get "bucked," and he is able to recover quickly. That's good bump skiing!

Another good image here is the skier's highly disciplined, yet very relaxed and free, hand and arm movements. It's a great illustration of the "polarity" (as Weems might say) of freedom and discipline. Both are essential. Discipline without freedom is restrictive and stifling. Freedom without discipline is chaos!

The freedom of movement allows this skier to balance, react, and move his upper body as needed to deal with the demands of the changing terrain. The discipline allows him to make these upper body movements without interfering with the precision of his foot and leg movements.

If I were to nit-pick about anything--and nit-picking it would be--I would suggest that there are a couple moments when a little quicker, more active extension into the troughs might have reduced the jarring and allowed a little more pressure control on the downside of the bump. And if I were this skier, I would experiment with slightly shorter poles.

It's great to watch skiing this good on the first day of summer.

Nice hat!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #6 of 15
Looks to me like a very strong mogul skier, skiing well within himself on a fairly round line, although in the final 7 turns of the sequence he starts to take a more direct line and steps up the rhythm a little more - possibly because the gradient is beginning to lessen somewhat.

Great stable yet relaxed upper body.

I'm not a freestyle mogul judge, but I wonder whether the very occasional hint of a "feet together, knees slightly apart" stance could lose him points in a mogul comp - any FIS mogul judges out there on Epicski? Perhaps that's maybe not really a technique issue though, more just the guy's body shape...

I agree with Springhill Crazie, turn 4 looks like it could turn into an ugly "slow dog noodle" but this guy gets centred over his skis again on the downslope of the bump very quickly.

Maybe someone who is planning to spend a lot of time in moguls should have shorter poles - but it's a perennial problem to find a good allround pole length. If you use poles that are a good length for, say, slalom racing, you'll probably end up "milking the giraffe" when you go into the bumps - just like this guy! I'm not sure that he is "dropping his hands" - just bringing them back to a comfortable position after each pole-plant. The main thing is that he keeps them well forward at all times.
post #7 of 15
Originally Posted by Martin Bell
I'm not sure that he is "dropping his hands" - just bringing them back to a comfortable position after each pole-plant. The main thing is that he keeps them well forward at all times.
I took a second look and agree he probably isn't dropping his hands. It's more where he plants his poles and the fact that the poles are so long. He seems to plant a tad late and back near his boots. His palms open in a semi "blocking position. This is done when flexed, hence, his hands end up fairly high. The next movement is to close his hands and they end up back down near his waist.

They just look like they drop!
post #8 of 15

In regard to pole length in slalom and the bumps, I think the same size pole works extremely well for both, provided they are not too long to begin with.

The long poles of slalom are a thing of the past. They made sense in the old days on straighter, longer slalom skis because you had to stand very tall to stay light and quick in a slalom course on those old skis.

Now slalom is more similar to small GS turns with a lot of inclination. Long poles are more of a detriment since getting back on the short(even 165cm) slaloms is a recipe for disaster. I have heard it said to lead with your head in slalom, in other words ski with a forward body position. Olle Larson speaks to this forward postion in almost every article he writes. Too long a pole tends to push you back.
post #9 of 15
Originally Posted by MilesB
Even Harald Harb includes a bobble at the bottom of his bump run video.
post #10 of 15

I like it

I agree this person can obviously ski well. I think that wha I se are some inconsistencies not neseisarily paterns.

1. Watch the skis flattening some times they flatten before the skis are turned. other times this happens afterward.

I think that if there were more consistant timing with the bump we would see less arm movment and less head bob. There is almost a look of being rushed but not all the time. which brings me back to timing.

Over all I give this person 3 golden bumps out of possible 4

Nice job! But if it were not on video I would never have seen it.

By the way I like the new site it is great nice job AC thanks.
post #11 of 15

picky picky picky

I'm going to preface this posting with a caveat that I'm reaching for these comments and will humbly accept any criticism saying I'm full of it.

The very strong leg steering skills may be contributing to a little laziness on the left turns. Some of the symptoms to be spotted include a strong outside ski weighting/inside ski more off the snow, downhill shoulder slightly high (vs shoulders matching the slope pitch), a bit too much counter of the inside shoulder relative to the hips and the other shoulder at the end of the turn and inside knee push for angulation/wedging in the turns/diverging skis.

Did I mention this was being REAL picky? To see this stuff you need to play and freeze frame several times to be able to get to the frames I refer to. Once you hit pause in a turn, if you stop and repause you will miss what I'm pointing out.

On the second left turn (at 1 second), if you can stop the video just as this great skier is finished absorbing the bump (right where there is a perfect chair position), you can see the left knee being pushed to start the left turn (the legs appear bowlegged). Through the turn you can see the skis in a tiny wedge caused by the knee pushing out instead of using inside ski steering.

At 2 seconds, coming out of the fall line you can see the inside ski raised with a slight knee push. The shoulders are not tilted quite as much and a better turn results. Except that he turns into too much counter and wedges through the next right turn, showing in a right turn the problem I'm seeing mainly in his left turns.

At 3 seconds (the next left turn), the previous right turn finish has left the left leg slightly behind, a chair position results, setting up a problem for the left turn. If you can stop the video right where the skis are on the ridge of the mogul, you'll see the left pole planted, the right hand reaching across the body and the upper body leading into the next turn. From this position it's too late for hip movement to lead into the next turn. Again the inside ski is raised. Just after the fall line is passed you can see left knee being pushed. Near the finish of the left of the left turn (where the ski tips are hidden by the mogul in front), you can see the left knee pushed out, the skis diverging, the right shoulder higher than the left.

In the next few turns, the feet are working great together and most of the symptoms are not happening.

At the end of the clip, on the last two turns you can see the inside ski raised. On the last frame you can see the too strong counter move with the right hand/right shoulder. Through the whole clip you'll see lateral movement of the hands. Is this an adaptation for too long poles? I don't know. But it is not efficient. And I suspect it is more of a cause of other problems than a symptom of other problems.

My recommendation for working on the symptoms includes improving "core strength" (abdominal/back muscles) and hip rotary flexibility. I'd like to see the hips working more in these turns. Improved core strength should help to cut out the hands crossing over the opposite ski. Improved hip flexibility should help facilitate getting the left foot to steer more on the left turn instead of using the knee to push and tip it into the turn. The goal should be a more consistent relationship between the feet and an even smoother run.
post #12 of 15
SInce we seem to be talking about skiing bumps again, I thought I'd just give this a bump.....
post #13 of 15
Very cool skiing Mr.X.......
It's hard to be in perfect balance skiing bumps ( just as it is in real life; if I may wax philosophical) when you are getting bounced around and the main thing is to just find your next turn. It looks like kind of a zipperline and so speed control starts to be an issue ....I would have liked to see the whole run, did he keep it going? . One thing I did notice was that the right forearm falls back pretty much every time. Doesn't happen on the left side.... what could it mean? Maybe a right-brain , left-brain thing? Anyway, whoever you are (to quote a tele-skier) "Nice line...Alpine!"
post #14 of 15
Flex and extended more actively with the legs, less flexing at the hips that kind of makes the head go bobbing. This will quite the ride. Add a more shaping thru the mid to bottom of turn allowing for a little more edge angle at finish and less pivot on flat skis. Reach the pole baskets down the hill further. Overall some great skiing in some great looking bumps.
post #15 of 15
bumps bump
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