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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
I have been skiing on Rossi Bandit Xs for the past few years and I am starting to think about getting a pair of mid fats...I am 6'5 240 an advanced skier tring to continually improve...I mostly ski in the East but will probably take a trip out West once per year...I spend most of my time on bumps, glades and cruisers.

Last year I demoed a pair of K2 Axis XPs at Alta...We had tons of snow and the skiing was incredible...I liked the skis very much but given the conditions and my first brush with Alta I probably could have skied on 2x4s and had a great experience.

I talked to a sales guy at a shop in Vermont and he suggested Dynastar Intuitivs, he also mentioned a new Dynastar ski that was coming out this year that sounded interesting.

The real need is for a Vermont ski. I can always demo when I go out West.

Any and all suggestions are much appreciated! Thanks
post #2 of 25
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Originally Posted by MikeC13
Last year I demoed a pair of K2 Axis XPs at Alta...We had tons of snow and the skiing was incredible...I liked the skis very much but given the conditions and my first brush with Alta I probably could have skied on 2x4s and had a great experience.
Don't discount the XP if you liked it. I know several east coast skiers who love this ski as their everyday ski.

The new Dynastar line you were told about is the Legend line. There has been much discussion re: these skis so you can find some info in the gear review forum. Here is a link to some discussion on the Legend 8000 which is my favorite mid fat. http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=12191
post #3 of 25
The XP will henceforth be known as the "Apache Recon", and it's what you'll see on Xdog's feet this season in VT, NY, UT and everywhere in between.

Elan Mantis 666, and Sollie Hot Pilots are 2 other great (if a bit 'spensive) choices.

If Rossi's been treatin' you right, why stray? Go right to the B2, haven't heard many complaints about that ski.

Bottom line: these are all great skis, but thou shalt demo!
post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thank you both...I will check out the link and do a little more research and get back with more questions.

XDOG you mention these are all great skis which is another one of my issues - my guess is that the skis are typically far better than the skier...realistically most skiers at all BUT the TOP expert level are kidding themselves if they think there is a huge difference in most comparable (dimension,shape,stiffness, etc.) level skis...I have seen good reviews and bad reviews on my skis that appear to be posted by similar ability level people - realistically there shouldn't be that much disparity...

Do you know of a group/org that has done a "blind" analysis of comparable level skis? Was there a dramatic difference between those results and those of reviews compiled by people who knew what they were skiing?

LOL looks like I am hijacking my own thread
post #5 of 25
My best advice, don't get nuts.

You're not gonna find the "Pepsi Challenge" of skis. Everyone's a shill for someone else. The only true way to "know" is to demo.

Just buy the one from my list that;

a)fits your budget

b)appeals to you visually

and you'll be ok.
post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 
I like the "pepsi Challenge" analogy! I agree with not "going nuts" but I am curious...I am a better golfer than skier and my feeling is that if you hit a club that feels good AND makes you THINK you are hitting BETTER than it probably is a good club for you, but in reality most clubs are so similar the REAL differences are almost undetectable....As of this moment the Legend 8000 LOOKS good to me...will demo next Winter...thanks
post #7 of 25
I demoed a bunch of mid fats (75-80mm waist) last year and liked the XP although the 7/24 pro felt it had a bit more life to it. Having said that I have have put my money where my mouth is and bought the Legend 8000 without demoing it. I definitely looks good on paper and I have liked Dynastars in the past, so I figure if i don't like them then Dynastar must have really messed up on the flex and dampening. I am picking them up later in the week and will be trying them out this weekend although I always demo other stuff when I can, just to compare.
post #8 of 25
One of my buddies is as tall as you, somewhat lighter around 210 lb. though. He got the Voelkl 724 Pro. I skied with him a lot in deep pow and occasionally on groomers. He liked the ski because it's beefy, stable, got plenty of rebound out of the turns and is really stiff (exactly what he wanted). Just expect to work a bit more on pow days than with a softer flexing ski the same width underfoot.
post #9 of 25
Thread Starter 
Short List - Legend 8000, K2 Apache Recon, 724 Pro
I haven't liked what I have read on the B2 - it doesn't sound like the ski is as good as the XX and I have a thing against Sollie skis
post #10 of 25
You're cheating yourself by excluding Salomon, the Hot and X-Tra Hot models are both killer all mountain skis.

B2 is a great ski too.

But like I said, whatever appeals to your eye and wallet.
post #11 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeC13
Short List - Legend 8000, K2 Apache Recon, 724 Pro
Mike

I think this is a great start and it's reasonable to demo and choose from 3 skis. It's may sound silly, but while I'm a big fan of demoing skis I think you can drive yourself nuts by trying to choose from too many skis. I've skied all 3 of the skis you listed and would align my choices as you've listed them. I found the Pro lively but not quite as damp as I like, and the K2 to be damper than I like and not quite as lively. I think the 8000 is the best of both worlds (damp & lively) with fantastic edge grip for a ski that wide.

Having said my piece, while the Pro would be my last choice of the 3 you listed, there have been some good deals on this ski on ebay of late. They've been going for between $550 and $600 for the integrated binding model.
post #12 of 25
I demoed the 2005 Dynastar Legend 4800 with a 75 mm waist. With 75 mm waist it was awesome in deep crud. The new side cut made it carve as good as my Volkl 5 stars. I liked these skis a lot. ;-)
http://www.ski-review.com/content/view/31/34/

I did not demo them but while in Europe the ski shops were talking a lot about the Stockli Stormrider XL which has a 75 mm waist. They ski shop guys couldn't stop talking about how great this midfat 50/50 ski was.
http://www.ski-review.com/content/view/54/30/

Both skis are a great 50/50 go anywhere ski.

Rossignol XP is also a proven 50/50 ski.
post #13 of 25
I'll second the nomination of the Salomon Hot and Xtra Hot.

Even better, they're changing the topskin graphics so shops have been blowing them out on Ebay. I picked up a 2nd pair of new 185 Xtra Hots w/ bindings a couple of weeks ago for $499. It satisfies my 11th commandment: Thou shalt not pay retail.

The Hot in a 155 or 165 makes for a superb woman's ski for an advanced skier.
post #14 of 25
Another recommendable ski: Stoeckli Stormrider XP, has got pretty much the same dim as the 724 Pro (the Stormrider DP is still wider - close to the B3 - maybe a bit too much than what you're looking for).
post #15 of 25
I'll second the shop guy who recommended the Intuitiv's. I'm on the Int74 in a 175 length and I love them for quick turns in trees and bumps. At your size, you would probably want the 182 or even 188 (not sure if that's the exact measurement). The good thing about the Intuitiv is that since it's last year's (03 - 04) model, prices will be cheap, but it also means that availability will be scarce.

Have head god things about the Legend line from all who have skied them. I would also agree with the recommendation against the B2. It felt quite soft to me, and I think that effect would be magnified for you. Good luck.
post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input...to put a little twist into the mix - I spoke to someone who suggested that some of the SkiCross models might be a better solution for me than the mid fats...He suggested Atomic SX 11 Dynastar Skicross 10 and Salomon Crossmax 10...I had thought ( incorrectly) that the "cross" meant it was a park ski or more of a gen X ski...Any thoughts or input??
post #17 of 25
My 2 cents:

Salomon X-Hot is, but the Hot is not for me. Ski it really hard and the X-Hot rules.

Rossi B2 is eminently forgiving. I liked them in bumps and skied out conditions.

Head im75 chip -- easy to ski, no surprises...

Mantis 662 -- Really REALLY loved that day.... still dreaming about getting a pair...

Cross skis: IMO, best on hard snow - like the cross courses they aspire to tame...

Your mileage may vary.
post #18 of 25
Quote:
I spend most of my time on bumps, glades and cruisers.
This terrain is not what skiercross designs such as the crossmax and sx11 are aimed specifically at - like BigE says - hard fast courses where versatility with a large variety of turn shapes at high speeds are required. From what you said in your first post, this is not how you ski. With regards to gen x skis, my impression of skiercross is that it is a more new-school form of traditional racing - included in the x-games and with baggy clothes.

I say stick with the mid-fats you've been considering - personally I favour the Axis XP as the most versatile and fun 75-80mm ski out there, followed closely by the xtra-hot and 724 pro.
post #19 of 25
Wow! 6'5" and 240lbs. You've got a long way to fall buddy! I'm gettin out of the way when you're in the bumps.

Hey, I ski the B2 exclusively in all conditions. Four trips out West last season and most days here on Eastern Ice and slop of Holiday Valley N.Y.

The ski is, and has been great for me. I may have been equally happy on the K2 XP but it just didn't cut it as an all everything ski for me. (but close)

As many have said, demo some. But, if you were happy with the feel of the Bandit X, you'll be very happy with the B2.
post #20 of 25
Thread Starter 
LOL....Lars you are right on when I go down it is best to stay clear of my landing (crashing) area!!!

Thanks for the input
post #21 of 25

re:re-edited

the Re-edited wish/demo list...

Volkl's 04/05 5Star (68mm)
Stocklis
Atomic B5 and M10/11 Metrons (76mm)
Elan's 04/05 Mantis 662 (76mm)

Steve
post #22 of 25

Try the Stockli Offroad Xl

If you get a chance , try the offroad XL . I have a pair and they are amazing in every way . Although I will be selling them this winter - only because I just purchase a pair of the Laser Cross Pros and I have two pairs of 5 stars .
post #23 of 25
I would give the Fischer BigStix 75 or 85 a try. I am 6'2 240 and absolutely love the 75s ( I have the 185's), they are my favorite ski from last season. I primarily skied them on my vacation out west and loved almost all aspects of the ski, I didn't like to ski them in the bumps, but I really don't like the bumps anyhow so I try to avoid them. I skied them here in Mich a few times, but they really need somewhere that has more then 1000 feet for them to really shine. I would highly recommend you give them a whirl before you purchase.
post #24 of 25
6' 205 lbs. 180 Axis XP's. Great ski. I demo'd the 724, Xtra Hot, B2 and ended up with the XP. Mt Hood is my local hill. Rarely light and fluffy, often heavy and deep or hard and icy, or just plain wet ... I spend most of my time in the trees or in the bowls along side if the snow permits. Which is all the time unless it is hard and icy - I don't really want to test that Giro helmet just yet ... I tend to ski slow on tougher terrain rather than cruise at high speed.

724 pro very high speed limit, wanted to stay in the fall line. Tree skiing would not be much fun, displayed a Volkll race pedigree. Probably a great ice skate!

Xtra Hot I was predisposed to like this ski as I have spent the last several winters on XScreams. It was OK. Didn't do anything remarkably good or bad. More fun than the Volkl. Lowest speed little of all, probably the easiest turning ski of the bunch. A better choice in the trees. I demo'd these after buying the XP's. I might have purchased these instead if I hadn't already been on the XP's ...

B2 It didn't seem to have a lot of rebound based on the energy that it wanted ... Kind of felt like I was having to muscle the ski around at slow speed. Not a bad ski, just not great. That ski has a good reputation and I was suprised by it's lack of 'verve'.

XP best all around for my style, size, weight, etc. Not as floaty as the Salomon but better than the Rossi at slow speeds. The speed limit is higher than I generally want to ski. Probably lower than the Volkl - those boys could be scary fast ...

After skiing on XScreams for a long time, I had gotten used to a softer, quick turning ski. My first couple of weeks on the XP's were kind of a shock. Boy - I'd been lazy - you meant I have to pay attention to the tails now too ? Once I caught on, I really came to like the XP a lot. It's a great all around ski.

a word of caution on the DynaStar. word is that the Intuitive is a great ski for a light skier. doesn't sound like ether of us really qualify ...
post #25 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeC13
Thanks for the input...to put a little twist into the mix - I spoke to someone who suggested that some of the SkiCross models might be a better solution for me than the mid fats...He suggested Atomic SX 11 Dynastar Skicross 10 and Salomon Crossmax 10...I had thought ( incorrectly) that the "cross" meant it was a park ski or more of a gen X ski...Any thoughts or input??
Mike none of those skis are wider than a pencil. But if you into that east coast hardpack stuff the Dynastar Skicross 10.

http://www.ski-review.com/content/view/60/

Check out this mid fat with a 74mm waist width.

http://www.volkl.com/ski/7_24_exp.shtml ( 114-74-102 )
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