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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hi.I do.Either I check and put the binding through a full performance test..self release test with my boots on,and adjust if neccessary..OR else I DO NOT ski it!
I have done this for.. like..ever.I can't ever see not doing it.
I do this on my own skiis..(large quiver)beginning of the season.
Some binding instructions used to reccommend doing this EVERY time you skiied..Idno..I think that is overkill.

Just curious what others do.

Would you ski a ski that you didn't personally check/test/(adjust..or have adjusted) if neccessary the binding with a self release test(boots on)..some call it "clicking out".This to me is a test that will suffice for the purposes here.Yes/No.

This is in no way a judgement on those that do/do not.Nor is it a question of the work done by ski shops.I personally know skiers that never touch their equipment..BUT they have it absolutely no holds/expense spared meticulously maintained.Some check their bindings by "clicking out"..some by a self release test..some do not see it as neccessary(as the shop does it).

I'm just curious..Thank You
Arnold
post #2 of 13
We had a thread (or at least part of a thread) about this very issue a year or two ago. Unfortunately, I couldn't find it by doing a bunch of simple searches. Perhaps someone remembers the thread title ...

Tom / PM
post #3 of 13
I set my Salomons at 10 and ski.
post #4 of 13
PM,

Your excellent response on this topic was posted back in March. Hope this helps.

New binding release testing
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks very much! to all those who participated in my little survey(I guess it's pretty much toast now).

I am very,VERY surprised at the number of skiers who did check their bindings..not only percentage wise..but total.I figgerred there would only be a couple..

Thanks..Arnold..
post #6 of 13
I had to answer yes. If I can't step out or twist out of the bindings easily while just standing on the level, I will adjust the bindings until I can. I am 200+ lbs and ski between 5-7 on most bindings.
post #7 of 13
Pierre said:
> ...I am 200+ lbs and ski between 5-7 on most bindings...

Pierre and I are about the same weight, and it looks like we both use similar DIN settings. Specifically, I tend to run Markers around 7, Looks around 5, and Tyrolias somewhere in the middle.

And, if someone calls DIN 5-7 a wuss' range, I'll challenge them to crank them down to the lowest setting (usually about a 3) and loosen them one extra turn. Last one to the bottom buys the beer. Even at such low settings, if I'm thinking about it, I'll never twist out (unless hop turns or other high rotary input turns are required). Its amazing how few people can stay in at these settings, even when skiing slowly.

Tom / PM

[ November 30, 2003, 09:06 PM: Message edited by: PhysicsMan ]
post #8 of 13
Well at 180# my Looks and Atomics are set at 7-7 1/2. Never pre-release and I can step out.
post #9 of 13
Quote:
Originally posted by PhysicsMan:
> ...I am 200+ lbs and ski between 5-7 on most bindings...

Ditto on both the wt and the settings: Towards the 7 end on Markers, towards the 5 end on Looks; Tyrolias in the middle.

And, if someone calls DIN 5-7 a wuss' range, I'll challenge them to crank them down to the lowest setting (usually about a 3) and loosen them one extra turn. Last one to the bottom buys the beer. Even at such low settings, if I'm thinking about it, I'll never twist out (unless hop turns or other high rotary input turns are required). Its amazing, but even skiing slowly, very few other people stay in at these settings.

Tom / PM
i dont understand what your saying. last winter, a prerelease resulted in a death at cannon mt. i run my bindings at 10 to avoid prereleases and the uncontrolled high speed wipeout that results. call me a wuss, but i ski another day.
post #10 of 13
I also am about 200 and go 7 to 8. Good bindings properly set,(forward pressure) work fine in everything but badly rutted race courses.
Many years ago, when I trusted someone else to set them, I turned up the settings to avoid prerelease. The result was a spiral tib-fib fracture and three screws that, since 9/11, cause me grief in airports.
I saw the light at Alta in 74 when I watched a guy come down High Rustler as hot as can be then twist easily out of his Looks at the bottom. After that I studied up on it and skied Geze until Rossignol bought them. I never did anything but twist out as long as I skied them.(Once in Toilet Bowl at Jackson in heavy snow I prereleased out of a heel. I turned it to 8, no more problem.) I use Marker now as Rossi and I don't get along too well.(besides, that "new" one is Geze's old low end model)(probably because it's cheaper to make) The Markers aren't as easy to twist out of at 7 so I'm back to using my poles(when I have them)(a gate wrench works pretty well when I don't)

[ August 28, 2003, 09:43 PM: Message edited by: SLATZ ]
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
6' 200 lbs...depending on the binding..6-8.
I start about 5 and work up.I probablly could go lower..Idno though..I tend to like to ski pretty roughly,aggressively..sometimes..as oppossed to smooth.I simply cannot remember the last time I pre-released..years and years and years.
I've helped a zillion people adjust their bindings..YUP! sometimes..a "few helpful pointers" on technique are in order.Most end up below din..and no pre-releases.I told 2 of my ski friends that they simply could not ski at a 2 or a 3..what do I know.The 2 guy is an intemediate..ok..5'8..maybe 150..the 3 guy is 6'2..180..I do not know how they stay in.

What about 7 and up din bindings?..I can't ski 'em..I just don't think that for me they are safe..I have like 0/ZERO confidence in them..to the point it affects my skiing..I feel like I'm in "BEAR TRAPS"..(yes I do admit to skiing in them.).during self release tests..my knees feel WAY too exposed(stressed) towards injury..(and I have strong legs,knees)I get the feeling that they ain't gonna come off.Some that I have encoutered they DO NOT go below 7.Even at 7..even tested at 7..the tougher anti-shock mechanisms of these h/d bindings are real hard to defeat under self release tests.A 4-10 binding at 7 feels a lot different than a 7-14 at 7.I had a few pairs of Salomon Equipes..that started at 6..these things(tested and greased)gave me the heebie jeebies..I got nervous testing these things..I even tried cheating and screwing in the plunger only a few threads after they caught..didn't make much difference..

A 4-10..or a 5-12 Salomon..I'm ok with.

Pre-releases are nasty..can be deadly..personally..I am in situations often enough..where a pre-release..would be a VERY, serious situation.I mount,test,self release test,adjust my own bindings..I NEED this 100% confidence that they are 100%..and they are gonna release when needed..AND not come off!! at a 6-8..I have this 100% confidence.This is just me..

There are surveys of ski resorts with over a million skier days/year.Over 50% of ALL injuries are directly caused by 1..ONE factor.Ski bindings not releasing..allowing legs/knees etc. to twist.The ski patrol at EVERY incident records binding indemnity,and the correct din.This and binding operation are almost insignicant.Just a hazard of the trade.The lower the release setting..the lower the risk.Injuries caused by pre-releases are so rare they are not recorded.Double edge sword..anyone that really cranks their bindings up..for situations where pre-releases are not optional..I don't do it..but I HEAR YA loud and clear!
post #12 of 13
Bindings currently set to 7-8.
I've pre-released 3 times. Once was because I had come out earlier, and my boots were caked with snow, so while it looked like I was properly engaged in the binding, the snow was preventing a correct hold.
The other two times were a couple of years back on brand new skis and bindings. Again, it wasn't really a pre-release, it was a fault in the heel section. The bindings were sent back to Salomon and replaced FoC.

Scare story happened to a guy I was skiing with. He had his new Salomon X-Scream Series, bought from a well known UK ski shop. They had fitted the bindings and left them set at 3 (or whatever the minimum value was). He skied half way down a run, and couldn't work out why he kept stepping out of the skis. When I took a look at them, and pointed out that the bindings weren't set, he wasn't very happy.
post #13 of 13
I'm about 82 kg and set my bindings to around 7. Never had problems with them not releasing in a fall and I don't remember ever pre-releasing. (I do remember, ages ago, thinking I pre-released, only to find that the heel piece had come out of the ski together with the four screws that held it in. I was on a red run, doing nothing special. But I was on Romanian skis and East German bindings). On the other hand, though I tried, I could never get them to release while on the level. Perhaps I don't know how.

I have a friend who used to ski with some Salomon bindings (947?) with DIN settings of 11 to 17, apparently for racing. (I've seen them, honestly. Does anyone know the model?) He was about my weight and developed a very defensive skiing style 'cause he was afraid of a no release, even with them cranked down at 11. However, he tells me that when he did fall badly, he never even felt the skis releasing. So perhaps there's a range within which one is reasonably safe...or perhaps my friend and I never ski 100% to our limits.
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