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Best Short Slalom Ski ?

post #1 of 23
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I'm getting the desire to get a pair of short slalom skis for a second pair. First line ski is a Rossi 9X 181cm. I would like to get a 150-155 Salomon 3V. Is this the best or is there any other recommendations. (200 lb. expert, fast skier, tuesday night local race league.) Salomon Course boots.
post #2 of 23
If you are going for the Salomons, don't get this year's model - go for last year's.
You can tell by the prolink piece at the front - if it is two parallel bars, then it is this years. previous years were Y or V shaped (can't remember which)

S
post #3 of 23
My main ski this season will be the Stockli SL ... I'm 170 pounds and it'll be a 156. At your weight a 161 may be better.

There are some Stockli demos floating around the Conn. area. Send a PM to Vita-man perhaps he can connect you with them.

[ December 02, 2003, 06:12 AM: Message edited by: yuki ]
post #4 of 23
They are all pretty damn good. Unless you are racing, the difference will be the "feel" of the ski.
The Elan SLX seems to be extremely hot right now, but Atomic, Volkl, Salomon, and Fischer are all good. I haven't tried the Rossi, but I'm sure its nice too.
My personal vote is for Volkl.
post #5 of 23
Damn! Sorry Yuki. You posted the same time as I did.

I forgot Stockli. Everyone loves those too. I really have to try some.
post #6 of 23
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Originally posted by Wear the fox hat:
If you are going for the Salomons, don't get this year's model - go for last year's.
Why? While I haven't skied this year's 3V I hear it is much improved over prior versions from reliable non-biased sources.

Aar
post #7 of 23
I'd heard they had made it "softer" and "more forgiving" (also they changed the lengths on them)
post #8 of 23
Well, there has only been one men's slalom race on the World Cup. An Atomic ski won that race. Fischer was second, Nordica third.

Now if you want a woman's ski, Salomon won the first women's World Cup slalom race. Volkl was second, Atomic third.
post #9 of 23
This years Salomon 3V is very much superior to previous years, mainly because of its new shape. Salomon went back to the drawing board and put out a totally different ski this year, on both the world cup and the retail racks. It is a far better ski than Salomon has produced in the past. Is it the best slalom ski out there? NO! In my opinion there is only one ski out there that is worth your time if you are looking for a retail model SL ski (not race stock). This ski of course is the Elan SLX. They are a hot ski. They are built identicle to the Elan race stock boards, but they are stiffer longitudinally to allow for better all mountain use. I would recommend the 162cm length, with some sort of race plate on them, but NOT a Marker piston race plate or a marker piston binding. Only the foolish put a piston plate on a slalom ski... Go with the VIST plate that Elan is selling for the ski, or a Salomon PowerAxe Race SL plate. I'll post more later if it is requested, but i have to go to class now...
Later
GREG
post #10 of 23
Quote:
Originally posted by ZOG:
I'm getting the desire to get a pair of short slalom skis for a second pair. First line ski is a Rossi 9X 181cm. I would like to get a 150-155 Salomon 3V. Is this the best or is there any other recommendations. (200 lb. expert, fast skier, tuesday night local race league.) Salomon Course boots.
ZOG, Do you race CISC Tuesday nights?
post #11 of 23
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"ZOG, Do you race CISC Tuesday nights?"

Yes
post #12 of 23
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Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:
..... NOT a Marker piston race plate or a marker piston binding. Only the foolish put a piston plate on a slalom ski...
Aw, man! C'mon Greg, why you would you let your own roommate be so foolish. Now I'm the foolish one for buying his skis. Why didn't you say something sooner?

Just out of curiosity, what makes it so foolish? I've always kind of liked the piston technology.
post #13 of 23
I tried to tell him... The foolish part about the piston plate is how it works. It is an excellent GS or speed event plate because it is soooo smooth and damp. But in slalom you want to have a very lively ski underfoot. The way the piston works is it actually dampens the rebound of the ski, which in slalom isnt the most ideal situation. I suppose it isnt an awful slalom setup, but there are defintiely better plate choices for that kind of ski. Unfortunately there are not a lot of Slalom specific plates out there. Even the VIST plate that Elan markets for the ski is more of a GS plate. I havent had a chance to ski the newest Rossi WC plate, but with all of its adjustments it could possible make for an excellent slalom plate. The SC that my room mate has, already has plenty of kick in the tail. The piston may actually control the ski better than if there were no piston, but again, the Volkl was designed for the piston, the Elan was not. If you ever have the chance to ski the Elan back to back with the Volkl you will see exactly what im tlaking about. The two skis are totally different in how they ski.
Later
GREG
post #14 of 23
What do you guys think about putting a Tyrolia Railflex LD12 binding on a pair of Stockli SL's? This was my binding of choice, but if this might have any dampeneing effect on the ski, which other bindings would you reccomend for this ski (161 length)?
post #15 of 23
Actually, for the first time, I'll be able to demo many different race stock skis back to back, in a course. Marquette mountain is a Race Test Center this year and will have several weekends devoted to race ski testing. I'm really looking forward to trying the Elan.
post #16 of 23
Crazy Dane: What do you guys think about putting a Tyrolia Railflex LD12 binding on a pair of Stockli SL's? This was my binding of choice, but if this might have any dampeneing effect on the ski, which other bindings would you reccomend for this ski (161 length)?

I don't think there is much dampening effect from the Railflex binding. The material seems to be of some composite plastic, so I doubt that it absorbs vibrations and I also don't think it affects ski flex very much. I think you should be OK with it. It is a great concept!

I almost chose that binding for the Elan HCX I just bought, but I wanted a little more lift. I ended up with a Tyrolia Speed Plate and the Free Flex Plus binding. Note that the Speed Plate is really a "GS oriented" plate. It absorbs vibrations but does not affect flex or rebound. Maybe not ideal for all out slalom, but good for all around skiing.
post #17 of 23
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Originally posted by BetaRacer:
An Atomic ski won that race.
Wow. Do they even bother putting skiers on top of them anymore?
post #18 of 23
That's hilarious. Exactly what I was thinking........
post #19 of 23
Have always enjoyed Volkls(P50s for recreational fall-line...)... still do, however I got a chance to hop onto some SLXs(of the right length)... My "fun"-level just got bumped up a bit...

[ December 04, 2003, 08:10 PM: Message edited by: HaveSkisWillClimb ]
post #20 of 23
With trainng and conditioning science, all skiers are pretty much equal at the World Cup level. Technology plays a huge role in tenths and hundredths of seconds.

As to putting bindings on a Stoeckli....

Equipment, Men’s Downhill
Lake Louise, November 29, 2003
Skier, skis/boots/bindings
1 Walchhofer, Atomic/Lange/Atomic
2 Guay, Atomic/Atomic/Atomic
3 Deneriaz, Atomic/Atomic/Atomic
4 Schifferer, Atomic/Lange/Atomic
5 Knauss, Atomic/Lange/Atomic
6 Kjus, Dynastar/Atomic/Look
7 Grugger, Head/Lange/Tyrolia
8 Hoffmann, Stoeckli/Atomic/Atomic
9 Rauffer, Atomic/Atomic/Atomic
9 Maier, Atomic/Lange/Atomic
post #21 of 23
Quote:
Originally posted by BetaRacer:
With trainng and conditioning science, all skiers are pretty much equal at the World Cup level. Technology plays a huge role in tenths and hundredths of seconds.
If all skiers are pretty much equal on the WC, why are some consistenly more equal than others? If the answer is undeniably gear, then why isn't everyone on the same skis? Also, if you factor in Austrian dominance, which is at least partially due to the quality of their national program and their skiing culture, then Atomic's gear dominance isn't as absolute.
post #22 of 23
Quote:
Originally posted by Ugli Pupferknick:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by BetaRacer:
With trainng and conditioning science, all skiers are pretty much equal at the World Cup level. Technology plays a huge role in tenths and hundredths of seconds.
If all skiers are pretty much equal on the WC, why are some consistenly more equal than others? If the answer is undeniably gear, then why isn't everyone on the same skis? Also, if you factor in Austrian dominance, which is at least partially due to the quality of their national program and their skiing culture, then Atomic's gear dominance isn't as absolute.</font>[/quote]I think what he means that, on a completely level playing field, meaning equal conditions and same equipment, any of the top top racers could take a race on a given day.

Yes, Austrians are good, and yes, they all use Atomic, but you also see, more often than not, the best finishers from other countries on Atomic as well, in the speed events.

In terms of SL skis, I'm pretty sure that, no matter what race stock ski you get, it's hard to go wrong. They are all fantastic skis, and you will adapt to any, provided you can manage it.
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