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Have any of you guys out there heard anything that would be considered forward movement on the proposed Jumbo ski area in eastern British Columbia?
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Since there doesn't seem to be anyone showing an interest in this here, I went searching on the internet and found the following. It appears that B.C. is finally waking up to the potential that exists in their own back yard. I just hope they can find a way to keep a development like JUMBO from becoming the size of Whistler-Blackcomb.


Premier Gordon Campbell
State of the Province Address
February 12, 2003

"...Our B.C. resorts task force is aiming at assuring that we build a network of all-season resorts in all regions of this province, working with resort communities and First Nations alike. Just think of this: the fastest growing economy in our province in the last few years has been the Whistler/ Blackcomb/ Pemberton area. We can do that for other parts of the province as well. Big White, Silver Star, Red Mountain in Rossland, Sun Peaks near Kamloops, Mount Washington near Courtenay, Canoe near Valemount, Jumbo near Invermere, Panorama near Invermere, Kimberley Alpine Resort, Fernie Alpine Resort, Kicking Horse Resort in Golden, Garibaldi, Powder King near Dawson Creek, Hudson Bay in Smithers.

All of this activity will take place within an environmental framework that sets an example not just for our country but for the world. We are going to continue to work with Canada on the creation of a new national park in the southern Okanagan and the creation of new marine parks to protect valuable marine assets along our coast. Environmental sustainability and public policy is a critical part of our social and economic future in British Columbia. It will be a keystone of our bid for the 2010 Olympic Games. Working with First Nations, communities and people from all over B.C. and across our country, we are now in a position where we have an opportunity to win the 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Games for British Columbia, for Canada. It's an exceptional opportunity."
post #3 of 12
Feal, I lived in Whistler in the '70s when the dump is where downtown is now...we have always known of "our potential" and didn't need the world to show it to us. Since 1986 Expo, Vancouver etc. has been degraded by implanted "visionaries". Be careful of what you wish for British might just get it, and the world does not need another Colorado.
I remember when Mags like Powder "discovered" Fernie, Big White, Whitewater etc...yeah, we knew what we had.
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Your sentiments are definitely well founded. I am just wondering, and also following the developments of these proposals, with a definite bias. I think the JUMBO area has probably generated enough interest that it will see some kind of development. The question is whether or not the BC populace will let foreign big money interests convert an international treasure into the kind of 'zoo' Whistler has become.

I personally hope the compromise that gets made trends the development more towards the model used by Sunshine Village, than the one used by the big real estate developers on all the other big BC ski resorts. Development for the 'enjoyment' of the populace, is definitely different from development for the 'abuse' of the populace.

A place as special as JUMBO would merit long distance access to the site. A train or tram from the Panorama area, a very small bed base on site, and no vehicular traffic in the area would go a long way towards limiting the amount of developmental impact on the area. ..It would also severely limit the potential profits greedy investors are looking for.

A question now arises as to whether or not Canadian politics can be considered immune to profit motives. A quandary all governments are forced to deal with!
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I have heard of this Jumbo proposal. Could be the largest ski area in North America if it happens.

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Thanks Pow,

That was the site I was looking for.

It indicated that there have been numerous concessions along the lines of accessibility and the range of the recreational development, but there have been little or no concessions as to the density and quantity of real estate ventures in the valley.

...So much for thinking there might be a government willing to hold greedy investors at bay!!! :
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Talk about major read tape and hoop jumping. From the research that I've done, it seems that the devolopment group has done all that it can do to make everyone happy far as the enviromental studies/impact concerns and such that has been addressed. I wonder if a lumber company goes through this much hassle before they go in and strip a mountian of all its lumber? As far as foriegn cash goes, investment in Canada is a good thing, period. I think that it is time to cut the red tape and start turning soil on this one.
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I think you are right about it being overdue, but the letters and rebuttals I read on that website indicated there is a cat and mouse game going on as to what the investment group and the citizens' groups will settle on.

The investment groups have held to their desire to develop a 7000 bed resort. They have used such deceptive buzz words as 'boutique', and tried to compare it to the development at Whistler.

...They think they are talking to a bunch of FOOLS!!! No one with any sense whatsoever will ever think that a 7000 bed facility is 'boutique'. Everyone realizes that an establishment of this size has a considerable impact on the enviroment at subalpine levels, with potentially devastating impacts on high alpine environments. It is all about these guys thinking they can 'CON' the peoples' government into letting them make a BIG bundle of money selling real estate they don't currently own; to wealthy enthusiasts, as a status symbol. There isn't a soul in Canada who can make a good arguement that this site has any comparisons with the coastal, low elevation developments at Whistler.

What I am hoping to see is a counter proposal with about half the bed base, and no private real estate available. That would put all skiers on the same 'footing' in having access to this unique area. Their wording in the rebuttal letters indicate they are willing to compromise, but they are trying to hold fast to the idea of getting a quick return on their investment in the form of selling publicly owned real estate to private individuals for exhorbitant prices. That is not necessary!

Sunshine Village has proven there is a growing trend in the number of people who will patronize a ski area without the enormous real estate developments; and if properly operated, can be very profitable.

I find the Jumbo Glaciers to be no less valuable than the already protected areas of the national parks. ...This doesn't come down to just human impact, but the issue does revolve around the question of human impact for the sake of GREED.

post #9 of 12
I think the whole Jumbo development is a long ways from any action. There's a lot of opposition to it around judging from the number of 'no to Jumbo', 'Grizzlies not Gondolas' and 'Glaciers not Gondolas' bumper stickers you see around these parts and in the Windermere valley. I'm not sure of the economics either. The area isn't very close to anything including an airport, and major population base or services (power, sewer). The only way it would happen is a major development on all counts or it wouldn't make much sense. Intrawest bought Panorama and is finding it more of a grind to get going then they thought. kicking Horse is a long ways from investment return and the Lake Louise group is a long ways from healthy.

Also RK Heliskiing owns the lease rights to use the area and the owner died last fall and his wife is apparently putting it up for sale. I would be surprised if Intrawest (CMH, Panorama, Alpine Helicopters) didn't buy it. If they buy it and control the lease on the land I don't know how helpful they'll be about having competition open up down the road. I'm thinking Intrawest has some pull with whatever government is in power in BC and I'm sure they'll use it to limit competition nearby.
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Thanks for the input L7,

There are plenty of good reasons to not want the development going through as it is proposed, and it is nice to know that the local groups seem to have a 'handle' on the situation.

You did bring up a good point about what is transpiring though. Panorama is the pivotal point in all of this. They are having a problem getting their development off the ground, and it is based on one of the many real estate models for land development. I hope they wake up to the fact that a limited use glaciated ski area just down the road from them would turn their potential real estate bust into a boom.

It wouldn't hurt any of the parties to consider the real estate portion of the JUMBO development destined to Panorama. ..They have the area, the setting, and the start. Now, if it were only possible for planners to see that the two sites working together add up to a win-win situation for both groups and the surrounding locales. The Windemere valley is going to build up, and Panorama will tag along with that; but if Panorama were to position itself as the 'resort' site, with Jumbo aimed at being a ski center only, all three sides of interest can come out winners. ..Of course, the greedy investors who want all that free real estate at high alpine levels wouldn't be getting it; but it was a 'fools play' to think that would happen anyway.

Giving up on Jumbo is not something the movers and shakers of Canada are going to do. If the citizens groups want to see a win for everyone involved, they need to get in there and pitch their own version of what will work.

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Holy Crap...Roger Madsen died? Bummer, I had a lot of fun with him back in the late 80's when I was coaching at Panorama...actually he owed me a few flights.
I remember him as a classic "mountain legend". Flew down to the cabaret at lake Windemere for limes once during a tequila party. His "cheeseburger in Paradise" party on the mountain was a gas! Pity.
One time at the Strathcona bar at Panorama, he got a chainsaw out of his truck to cut a walkthrough in the bar to save the waitress walking distance...then cut a check to cover the cost.
post #12 of 12
Originally posted by Robin:
Holy Crap...Roger Madsen died? Bummer, I had a lot of fun with him back in the late 80's when I was coaching at Panorama...actually he owed me a few flights.
I remember him as a classic "mountain legend". Flew down to the cabaret at lake Windemere for limes once during a tequila party. His "cheeseburger in Paradise" party on the mountain was a gas! Pity.
One time at the Strathcona bar at Panorama, he got a chainsaw out of his truck to cut a walkthrough in the bar to save the waitress walking distance...then cut a check to cover the cost.
There's a ton of those stories although that chainsaw one is a good one. I only saw him in action once and it was memorable. Of course everyone having those stories was really the problem, it still hadn't stopped he was still 'living the legend'. A favourite line of mine from the movie bladerunner is 'the flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long'. Pretty on the mark in Madsen's case I think.

On the jumbo topic, something I forgot is our national team guys are currently doing a glacier camp adjacent to Panorama on the same glacier the film 'Alive' was shot on. They will be cat skiing basically, using Panorama's cats so it's quite close although I'm not clear where it is. I think Intrawest has their own glacier expansion plans for this area and again I think that means they will be less interested in seeing Jumbo get off the ground up the road. Intrawest is the only real resort Mover and Shaker in B.C. and for good or bad I think they'll have a lot to say about whether Jumbo happens or not.
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