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why is salomon more expensive?

post #1 of 25
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Why are Salomon skis and boots so expensive? is it because they are a status symbol? is it because they are cool looking, or could it actually be that they are made better?

confused.
post #2 of 25
In my very biased opinion, Salomon spends more money on marketing than they do on R&D.

I'm sure that should result in a flame or two.

IG
post #3 of 25
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Originally posted by Inspector Gadget:
In my very biased opinion, Salomon spends more money on marketing than they do on R&D.

I'm sure that should result in a flame or two.

IG
I gotta agree with you there. I think Volkl makes a better quality ski and their higher prices are more justified than Salomon's. Not that Salomon's are crap or anything, I think we just end up paying for all the publicity, promotions and ads.

[ October 10, 2003, 02:37 PM: Message edited by: Taylormatt ]
post #4 of 25
It seems to me Salomons and Volkls are priced about the same. Tecnica on the other hand seems to be more than Salomon.
post #5 of 25
Salomon is more expensive because they can get away with it. They're marketed well, easy to ski, and always look cool.

I'm a horrible golfer, but the best comparison I can make is to Callaway Golf. Both Salomon and Callaway aren't known for appealing to the highest end, but they satisfy the "everyman". Callaway is knocked for their shovel like irons and drivers that usually have heavy draw bias. Salomon makes skis that are soft, easy to ski, and forgiving of the back seat. Both Callaway and Salomon have a product that is high performance, but they really satisfy the person who's skills aren't quite perfect.

Salomon's marketing is also second to none in skiing. Instead of promoting their Salomon brand, they build brands. X-Scream - 1080 - Pocket Rocket - Crossmax - Pilot. You don't even need the word Salomon in front of it, the average skier knows you're talking about a Salomon. Compare this to Volkl, who every single year comes up with new rediculous names for their same old skis. Ask some random person on a chairlift this year what they think about the 724 AX4 1200. Then ask that same person what they think about the Pocket Rocket. Volkl doesn't get it, Salomon does.

The one mistake Salomon has made recently is the price of the 1080. Even though its cheaper than other Salomon's, its still too expensive for the target market. With the Lines, K2 Public Enemy, and and Rossi's going for cheaper, Salomon is slowly losing a market they once completely owned.
post #6 of 25
Wanted to do a seperate post on the R&D aspect.

Honestly, I think Salomon's R&D is up there with anyone. The integrated Pilot system, despite the first few generations sucking, is a model that every company is racing to catch up to. The Pilot idea is a good one, but it took a special ski construction underfoot to not make it feel like rubber. Honestly, had Pilot debuted with the Crossmax10 instead of the Pilot10 models, I think there wouldn't have been much hate toward it.

Then you have the 1080, pretty much started the twin tip revolution. Yeah, I know about the K2 Poacher, but have you ever seen a pair? K2 didn't really give the concept much of a chance or promote it worth a damn. It was also too skinny for landing the airs a real twin needs to do.

The X-Scream Series. The first successful midfat. Dimensions are still used in tons of skis today. That footprint was just about perfect. 68 underfoot, and enough sidecut to give anyone easy turns. That footprint is still being used by just about every manufacturer today.

The Pocket Rocket. You either love it or hate it, but every single company is in the process of copying it. Rossi's Scratch BC has identical dimensions. The K2 Pistol has nearly identical proportions, just 5mm more throughout. The Head Mojo and Armada ARV are more copies.

For the target application, Spaceframe is good stuff. I'm curious how it feels in a Crossmax, but its great on the Pocket Rocket and 1080. Swing-weight feels like nothing compared to other skis.

Salomon is also working on a really weird looking huge swallow-tail fat ski called the AK Rocket LAB. Jury is still out on this, but for totally pow specific skiing, it seems like a great idea.

You total up all of the above, and I find it hard to knock their R&D efforts, even if I don't like many of the above skis.
post #7 of 25
I would agree that Salomon skis are over priced. They have in fact been at the forefront of every single "new idea" that has been brought into the industry in the last several seasons, as was mentioned above. The Salomon R&D is probably one of the best in the business. As for their racing department, there is a huge difference between their retail race skis and their real race skis. If you get a chance, roll into your closest Salomon dealer and check out the Salomon LAB skis. These skis are now finally being marketed. For years skiers didnt know they existed, or had no clue how to get them. You still have to know somebody to get them, but at least you know to ask about them. Out of the GS skis that i have skied on, i would say that theirs is the best - yet you don't see the GS LAB in the ski reviews anywhere. I wish Salomon would make a shorter version of the now nearly famous 182 GS ski. Also, look to the world cup and notice that Salomon is beating out most other companies as far as winning races. I dont know where fischer and nordica stand but they are way ahead of rossignol, atomic, and volkl. I would love the opportunity to try the newly redesigned LAB SL Race ski. If it has edgehold like the GS ski, then nothing is going to touch it in a slalom course. My Elans are ice skates... but my Salomon GS skis bring new meaning to the term edgehold - absolute rockets.
Later
GREG
post #8 of 25
Why do some people ask dumb or incomplete questions?

What are you comparing Salomon's prices to? K-mart's super slider snow skates? Most European 'A' ski brand models have quality, performance and pricing to match their competitors'. 'B' brands need to capture market share, so their pricing is somewhat lower. And K2 is made in China, so their labour costs are way cheaper, which leads to cheaper prices. As well, the US dollar is weak against foreign currencies, which therefore leads to a higher purchase price.

[ October 11, 2003, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: BetaRacer ]
post #9 of 25
Good point, beta, also, if you're comparing a US brand ski with a Euro branded one, then exchange rates (and "tariffs") will raise the price.
In the UK (not part of the Euro currency zone), K2 skis are currently considerably cheaper than in the US.
Salomon and Rossis are cheaper in the UK than in mainland Europe.
I haven't checked the price on other brands, but exchange rates make a big difference, particularly to shops when they are placing their orders.

S
post #10 of 25
If u want R&D, try Dalbello boots. Never heard of 'em? Theres a reason. Their boots are high quality and sold at very cheap prices, thats because your money goes to the quality of the boot, not advertising the heck out of it.
post #11 of 25
I think salomon boots are within reason. It seems that most good boots are a comepetitive price, so in MY opinion it should come down to what's comfortable for you (many beleive it's hard to beat salomon boots, I happen to be one).

Bindings, as cheap as marker, but once again..in my opinion, a better binding (although marker has surpised me with their latest lines).

Skis are everyone's opinion. Pocket Rockets aren't so popular because they look good, you know??

My $.02
post #12 of 25
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Originally posted by PMZ:
If u want R&D, try Dalbello boots. Never heard of 'em? Theres a reason. Their boots are high quality and sold at very cheap prices, thats because your money goes to the quality of the boot, not advertising the heck out of it.
Have to agree with that. Own some PRX8 Dalbello's and they are absolutely fantastic - and very reasonably priced.
post #13 of 25
Have found in my experience with Salomon that their skis are probably some of the least durable on the mountain, and because of their monocoque construction, very difficult to repair. Kind of like cracking an egg. Also tough to tell the tecnology from the gimics. For example, if you've ever seen a pair where the prolink has fallen off one of them, you can see that they're just glued on, which makes you wonder what good they really do. In their race stock skis, the prolink is screwed on, which makes more sense, but for what they charge, you would think that they could do that to all of their skis. I have a new pair of Salomon boots, haven't skied them enough to form an opinion yet, but they are very comfortable and seem to be well made, so we'll see. I'm not so sure if Salomon doesn't subcontract with someone else to make their boots, though, it seems to me I read that they are made in Romania.
post #14 of 25
All skis are overpriced!

I have to agree with Matter, though. Salomon designs skis for the general skiing public and puts a lot of effort into the marketing push.

IMO, they make easy skiing products and are still milking the fruits of past success, from skis like the X-Scream. For instance, the PR was not meant to be the doctor/lawyer pow ski of choice, but it turned out to be. How many people who ski it know that it is (was) the JP Auclair pro model, or even know who he is? They just know that it skis glades and pow in a really sweet way.

Come to think about it, the reason why people complain about the price of Sallie gear is usually due to the fact that they want a pair of their own.

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post #15 of 25
Salomon are expensive, they are crowd pleaser skis. Soft and easy then they market them as "advanced". I have not heard of them breaking (like Rossignol) though so maybe that's worth something.
post #16 of 25
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Originally posted by Newton:
Soft and easy ...
Are you calling my 3Vs soft & easy?

S
post #17 of 25
Actually Salomon are one of the cheaper brands you can buy in Mammoth. This is because Mammoth Sporting Goods goes for big loss leader on thier hardgoods. The rest of the shops in town that carry Salomon (MMSA, Footloose, P3/Kittredge) try to avoid carrying the the same Salomon products, and do not carry much. MSG is very much into buying closeout merchandise (esp. clothing) for very low prices, marking them way up, and putting them on sale. They are not are real full service ski shop like Footloose or Kittredge. It's too bad the salomon rep likes the $ that Msg makes for him.
post #18 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by funkybob:
Why are Salomon skis and boots so expensive? is it because they are a status symbol? is it because they are cool looking, or could it actually be that they are made better?

confused.
Cuz' people keep buyin 'em. Period.

That said, I do own a pair of higher end Sollies, and I do like their products.

And BetaRacer,

Why do some people ask dumb or incomplete questions?

What are you comparing Salomon's prices to? K-mart's super slider snow skates? Most European 'A' ski brand models have quality, performance and pricing to match their competitors'. 'B' brands need to capture market share, so their pricing is somewhat lower. And K2 is made in China, so their labour costs are way cheaper, which leads to cheaper prices. As well, the US dollar is weak against foreign currencies, which therefore leads to a higher purchase price.

That's not like you, play nice! Remember, no such thing as a dumb question...
post #19 of 25
Xdog, what'd I do?

There were no comparisons given, so such a broad question deserves such an answer. Salomon skis, boot, and bindings are dirt cheap when compared to an A-Star helicopter, but extremely pricey when basing the price against a pack of Juicy Fruit gum.

C'mon. Its getting to the point that nobody thinks anymore and relies exclusively on the internet to get the questions answered that could be self answered by filling in the blank of a search field. I don't mind helping those who appreciate the assistance, and ask questions to aid in the purchase or the better use of equipment. Ask a proper well phrased to the point question, and you will get an answer to the question. Ask a very broad unthought-out question, and a snide unhelpful off topic answer might be given.
post #20 of 25
Salomon has got one of the strongest brands in skiing market. This leading position where large enough group of people think their skis are worth of paying more allows them to put a price tag with more $$. I don't see any reason why should they not do it, they are doing business not charity.

So if you want them become cheaper, just stop buying them and make others do so too... It can be a bit hard thing to do with all the hype around their ski-binding gadgets.

They are also getting away with weak construction of their skis as majority of people who buy their well marketed skis, ski only few days a year thus allowing their skis last for years despite the expected life time of about 50 days.

BTW, all true Americans - Salomon is a French company
post #21 of 25
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Originally posted by BetaRacer:
Xdog, what'd I do?

There were no comparisons given, so such a broad question deserves such an answer. Salomon skis, boot, and bindings are dirt cheap when compared to an A-Star helicopter, but extremely pricey when basing the price against a pack of Juicy Fruit gum.

> Yeah, but c'mon now, we were both pretty sure about what he meant. Your reply just seemed overly harsh to me over a fairly harmless question. No big deal, just seemed a bit out of character from what I've seen of your posts.

C'mon. Its getting to the point that nobody thinks anymore and relies exclusively on the internet to get the questions answered that could be self answered by filling in the blank of a search field. I don't mind helping those who appreciate the assistance, and ask questions to aid in the purchase or the better use of equipment. Ask a proper well phrased to the point question, and you will get an answer to the question. Ask a very broad unthought-out question, and a snide unhelpful off topic answer might be given.
> I can agree that it may not have been the best thought out Q, and that he probably could've figured it out given the time, but who among us hasn't taken the easy way out of just posting a Q and hoping for a good answer? Hell, that's 80% of the reason I spend time here, to draw on the combined hundreds of years of experience of those who've been there and done that.
post #22 of 25
it's been a while, but i'll quip in here [img]smile.gif[/img]
i've noticed everyone's focused on the skis, but no one's really mentioned anything about the boots. I've been with salomon exclusively for boots for the last few years (i usually use them for a season and give them to a buddy afterwards and get another through the sho). I've had a chance to try on other boots to decide what i'd want to get, but in all honesty, salomon makes some of the best boots out there.

i've tried their performa line, x-wave, and course line from salomon, and nordica beast, tecnica icon, etc etc etc. In terms of comfort, salomon makes, hands down, the most comfortable race boot (salomon course) on the market. I've also noticed that in terms of response, the course doesn't lack anything for my personal use. The 3d buckle thing that they developed imho is worth the extra few bucks as well. it takes alot of pressure off the instep and increases snugness of the boot. i've yet to see another boot have a similar setup without increasing the height of the instep.

melloboy [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #23 of 25
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Originally posted by Mac
it seems to me I read that they are made in Romania.[/QB]
It's true but don't know if all their boots.I am sure that some of their lower-end boots are made here because i've seen some models in the shops.
post #24 of 25
Lets see, where is that..? Ahh, there it is.

post #25 of 25
Was that compliments of U.P. ??
j/w
Later
GREG
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