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So my new boots came, and I think they fit, but not sure

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
So my new boots came in the mail. I put them on and they feel perfect in the foot, I have about 3 centimeters of room behind the heel when my toes are grazing the tip. The fit just like my rollerblades do actually. And they feel pretty comfy. I know the real test will be when I go skiing, but they felt good around the house. They only thing I noticed was that after wearing them around the house for like an hour, where the top of the boot meets my leg, in the calf area there, that started to hurt a little, but that's it.

Should I still go for the custom footbeds? How do I know if I need them until I ski on them? The boots are Lange ACD X Zero boots.
And they are blue
post #2 of 21
Footbeds are something you can't do without. For a relatively small investment you will have a snug fitting footbed that will last you long past the current pair of boots you own. They increase performance by tranlsating your leg's (via your foot) movement to the ski.

I would also add that any money you spend on customising your boots to remove discomfort, create better feel etc is money well spent, providing you do it at a boot specialist. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #3 of 21

Sounds to me that the boot is too big. When someone describes a "perfect fit and comfort right away and 3 cm clear at the heel" it generally describes a boot that will feel too big after a few days of use. Recommend trying one size smaller shell. However, the boots are going to be on Your feet, so you need to be the ultimate judge. Footbeds will always help with fit, but I personally think starting out right will get you the ultimate performance and comfort. Good luck.
post #4 of 21
I agree with Norefjell. Right out of the box, when your feet are toasty warm, a boot should feel 3mm too small, not too big, and your toes should be against the end of the boot. They should not be "comfy" until you've skied them for a couple of days.

However, I still strongly recommend footbeds, whether you keep those boots or not.

What size are the boots? If they are a half size (i.e. 7 1/2), then going down to a 7 will only change the footbed that comes with the boot (which should be removed and replaced with a real footbed anyway), not the shell size or liner. And possibly, adding a properly fitted footbed could correct the size problem for a while (until the liner packs out a bit). If your boots are a whole size (i.e. size 7), then going to a 6 1/2 would be a good idea, as it will get you in the next smaller shell.

FYI, as a general rule of thumb, your ski boots should be a full size smaller than your athletic shoes. So if you wear a 7 shoe, you should be in a 6 boot. More addicted skiers (who care more about performance than comfort) are usually between 1 1/2 and 2 sizes below their shoe size. The pain only lasts a couple of days. Make sure you trim all toe nails to the nub....

Personally, I recommend you go down 1 shell size. At the very least, take them to a good boot person and have them checked out.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Well I would not exactly say the boots were comfy. By fit, I meant I could get my foot into them which I was worried about because the guy told me they ran small. They are very snug. But they don't feel too small is what I meant. I still may need liners, I don't know...The liners in there are really thick...will wearing them around the house pack them down? Or will they not really do that until I ski for a while?
I take a size 8.5 street shoe, and the boots are a size 9.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 25, 2002 08:27 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Bertha79 ]</font>
post #6 of 21
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bertha79:

I take a size 8.5 street shoe, and the boots are a size 9.

Not good! You should be in a 7.5 to 8 ski boot.
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hmm. I am not sure about that, because these boots are really tight. Not Painfully tight, but tight nonetheless. The guy who sold me the boots told me that these langes run a size small. So that the boots are like a size 8.
I guess it's hard for me to describe to you guys, I should let someone actually see them I guess.
post #8 of 21
I have constantly been plagued with boots that don't fit well and it is because they seem to fit well when I first put them one, two weeks later they are packing out and you have to crush the shell around your foot for performance. I literaly droped two shell sizes this year. I take a size 9 shoe and I'm in a 7.5 shell. The boots will pack out. I would suggest trying smaller sized boot before you ski in them. Also I find that it is easier for a boot fitter to get a precise foot bed built if you have some time in the boot on snow and can tell where the hot spots may be. Good luck
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
Does it help if I tell you that I can only buckle to the first rachet thing on each buckle? If I go to the second notch, I can't close it. This is tre of the 2 toe buckles. If I try I can get to the second notch on the two upper buckles, but it hurts a lot when I walk.
post #10 of 21
It is very difficult to really assess this situation, as it depends on the calf size, foot pronation, arch height, foot width, toe length, ankle protrusion etc etc.

I still say your best bet is to go to a boot specialist (not a big retailer who will try and sell a product rather than find a product for you - and who in general don't really have much clue) and get them to help you with any issues, especially fit.

Most importantly, don't ski in them if they don't fit, exchange them and get a decent fitting boot. And remember, this is your most important piece of ski kit by a long way, and money invested in boots goes a long way to your skiing experience.

My current boots were purchased in Whistler in 1996, with custom footbeds and foam liner, they cost CAN$1200, but have lasted for over 400 days of skiing/working.
post #11 of 21
Boot Fitting Rules of Thumb

- Try the fit with the liner removed. You should only be able to get one or two fingers behind your heal with your toes touching the front of the shell. Anything more is too much.

- Tighter is better. You can have a shell punched out, but you can't shrink it. Plus, the liner will pack out, giving more room.

- Get the footbeds. But beware, the footbed changes the fit of the boot, altering the displacement of your foot, making the shell seem bigger because your foot won't flatten out as much as before.

- After break-in, there should be no pain. Otherwise, the boot doesn't fit right.

When I bought my new boots last year, I was afraid they were too small. My feet would hurt just putting them on, they were so tight. But, after skiing in them a couple of days, I would have it no other way. Today, they feel great and perform. I never take off my boots all day long.
post #12 of 21
Lange boots do not "run a size small".

Lange boots are generally a "lower volume" boot ..... translation, a tighter fit "around" the foot all over.

"Packing out" means that that liner will compress with use and give four foot even more room ... if the boot is already comfy, this is not good.
post #13 of 21
Too Big! you said you could send them back. Do it.

Go to a good fitter and get boot sized. you may find you do not have a "lange" foot.
post #14 of 21
I thought i'd throw in my 2 cents... 3 cm behind your foot is a HUGE amount of space. if you find a shell that fits your foot well and have custom footbeds, you can have a painless boot with less than 1cm behind your foot in a shell fit. my feet are size 11.5, and I'm in a 9-9.5 boot and I have no pain. All ski boots will be 'snug', that is, I could put my foot in a size 12 boot and it would still hug my foot, but a ski boot that fits well should feel at first like someone has put your foot into a compression chamber [img]smile.gif[/img] . I'd cast my vote to return the boots and try a variety of brands in smaller sizes.
post #15 of 21
Bertha, if you can get into Boston, check out Gordon or Dave at Bob Smiths on Commonwealth Ave. I skied for 2 seasons on boots that had too much volume, and it really held me back. Getting footbeds was really uncomfortable at first, but after packing in the liner, they have been pretty helpful. Another excellent option would be to got to Green Mountain orthotics lab in Stratton.
post #16 of 21
Bertha; Boots came in the mail? How closely did you work with your fitter? It's always best to buy on the mountain. That's where the best fitters are.. or follow these Bear's recomendations. As one who has been to hell and back with boots, it's no fun if they don't fit; too big means you'll be padding them every night in the shop and then tossing them after a few days. I second that 3cm behind the heel is way too much. I wear a size 10 street shoe and ski a size 8 Reichle; no pain, no problem. It's really important to get them right, any shop will take them back...until theyre used. Even then many will if they sized you wrong, such as Surefoot*; you usually pay retail, but they will customize and maintain the boot as long as you own it for free.. Deep Powder house at Alta throws in free custom footbeds{Insta prints} and ditto the guarantee. Speaking of Surefoot, they really do stand by their guarantee; I had a friend visiting who hadn't skied in six years; her boots, Rossi Course L's had been in closets from New York to Hong Kong; when we went into the lodge at lunch, the shells disintigrated; first the toes broke off completely; like it was sawed through.. bizarre... then buckles came loose,then it just came apart like an eggshell.{the yellow die made it brittle?} The same Surefoot she'd bought it at 6 years ago happened to be next door. She went in, they looked her up on the computer, and presto, free new Rossi's. Surefoot isn't perfect, but they have the right attitude.. that's the kind of fitter you want.

* Surefoot is a chain of bootfitters who have a store in most major ski regions.. They stock a huge variety of boots on the theory that whatever your foot or ability, they'll find a last that matches. And they custom fit everything, whatever it takes{literally} guarantee the boots for life..of the boot anyway.. They make their own brand of footbed that we've discussed on this forum at length, pro and con, and unless you know of a custom shop in the area that offers the same attitude and you like better, they're a good bet. Boots just cost too much and are too critical to take chances with the local sporting goods store..buy skis on sale, never boots.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 26, 2002 01:00 PM: Message edited 2 times, by Rubob ]</font>
post #17 of 21
My new lange L10s feel way too tight and short (my toes touch the end)when just sitting around. But when I get out skiing, I know I got the right size b/c they don't cause any pain and they ski much better than my older boots that I swum around in. In the store, boots that "fit" will feel too tight, but with the stretching and breaking in that occurs with skiing in them they will truly become "yours" and fit. I have seven days on the new boots and i can feel the customization beginning.
post #18 of 21
Mail Order Boots .....

Mail Order Husband/Wife ........ same thing!
post #19 of 21
Um ... not quite, you can always send the boots back at no cost.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #20 of 21
..... good un!
post #21 of 21
Some one else said this but I'll say it again Langes do not run small. I ski in a Lange that is 11.5 and usually wear a 13 in a running shoe. They are narrow but do not run big. Send them back and get a smaller size or go to a good ski shop and pay the extra $$$ it will be worth it in the long run. The best $500 I ever spent was good boots and custom foot beds for my fiance last year on a ski trip. It put an end to all the b*tching and whinning I had to listen to because her boots did not fit right. Oh and one other thing she actually enjoys skiing and looks forward to going now instead of bitching and complains when I get to go skiing and she can not make it.
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