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post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

I am thinking of treating myself with a pair of new boots and I would like to get it right. So please help me if you can. Any feedback will be very much appreciated.

I went to the shop today and tried the following boots:

Atomic R:11
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feels snug, a lot of cushion, comfortable but the shell seems to be too soft (I have got Beta Ride 11.20s so I though these would complement them nicely)

Lange Comp 100
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Good fit, the only problem seems to be around my
ankle-heel area where it feels loose (some free space).

Salomon Pro Model
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Excellent fit

Salomon Crossmax 10
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Excellent fit

My choice number one is Salomon Crossmax 10. It feels just right, the shell is not as soft as the Atomics and I like the flex too.

The shop I went to is Snow & Rock (B'ham, UK) and I think they have a good name in boot fitting and will do help me get my boots right. However, I am still concerned about some things:

1. Boot size
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The guy measured my foot and then asked me to try the shell (without the liner) barefoot with toes close to the front of the shell. This should somehow determine the right size. However, the Atomics (size 27) were a bit uncomfortable in the size he chose because my feet just
could not fit into it (had to bend my fingers). When boots were closed and I leaned forward the size was about right and I felt comfortable. Then they did not have half size bigger so we could not try slightly bigger size. All other boots were tried in 27.5 size. What would be your recommendation about the size? I am a bit afraid that the inner boots might be too big after wearing them in.

2. Wear in
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How much should I expect the liners to wear in? A couple of millimetres? More? Is it true (I read it in some other tread here) that if the Atomics have more cushion then they will wear in more than say Salomon (seem to have less cushion)?

3. Liners
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All of these boots should have heat mouldable liners. Is the life time of these liners much shorter than liners that are not heat mouldable?

4. Salomon boots
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Any problems with the quality of Salomon boots? Compatibility with Atomic Xentrix bindings (I expect no problem there)? Any comments on the Crossmax 10 model?

5. Foot bed
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I know I should get them but they are £ 40 extra. Is this really necessary or can these be bought later if I have problems with my feet? My budget is limited.

6. Snow & Rock
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Any UK bear knows any reason why I should not buy in Snow & Rock or knows better place in the area (West Midlands, UK)?

I take this opportunity to introduce myself to other members (I posted a couple of questions here but I am usually the quiet one who reads this forum and who is learning a great deal from it) and it will also give you an idea of what I ski and what I expect from my boots.

Myself (27 years old male):
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Skiing since 4 years old pretty much every weekend in winter. Not much skiing done in last 3 years - not enough time. Started getting back into it last year. I ski about 60% on piste but I am hoping to turn this around to 60% off piste and 40% on piste (once I have enough money to get an avalanche receiver, pay for the guide, etc,...). And I am a student ...

Boots (old Lange XR7 at the moment):
------------------------------------
I am looking for close fit so that any movement goes directly to skis. I do not want extremely stiff boots that are uncomfortable but boots that are stiff enough for me to improve my skiing. Basically something that is better than my current skiing ability so that I can grow into it.

Apologies for the long tread and possible usage of incorrect terms.

Mirek.

[ November 12, 2002, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: Mirek ]
post #2 of 8
I can comment on a few things as I'm currently UK based, but there are other's with more knowledge.

Shell sizing, ie putting your barefoot in the shell w/o liner is the only way to make sure you have the right shell size. For me I know I only want 1 to 1.5 fingers behind my heal when my toes are touching the front. (obviously depends on finger width, a minimag lite works well too to measure)

The Atomic that feels too tight is probably closer to the right size as the liners will pack out a bunch. The fact that you said they felt good when flexing forward, but too tight otherwise is the correct feeling. If they feel too comfy before flexing then they are most likely too big.

Its always a much easier process to punch out a boot that's a little small than to shrink a boot that is too big(almost impossible)

A 27 and 27.5 is the same shell and liner. Only difference is the thickness of the footbed. Totally identical otherwise.

Snow and Rock is ok. Not great, not bad. It also depends on the person you see. The best place I have seen in Europe is Footworks in Chamonix. This includes St. Anton, Zermatt, Chamonix, and all of London. Profeet here in london knows what they are doing as well. One of the differences is someone can look at your feet and tell the type/shape of foot you have and suggest a couple boots with similar shaped shells.

Salomon boots are good and there won't be any compatability problems with the bindings. FYI: The last of the Promodel is different (smaller) than the last of the Crossmax 10 (wider).

Good luck,

Doug

Quote:
Originally posted by Mirek:
Hi all,

I am thinking of treating myself with a pair of new boots and I would like to get it right. So please help me if you can. Any feedback will be very much appreciated.

I went to the shop today and tried the following boots:

Atomic R:11
-----------
feels snug, a lot of cushion, comfortable but the shell seems to be too soft (I have got Beta Ride 11.20s so I though these would complement them nicely)

Lange Comp 100
--------------
Good fit, the only problem seems to be around my
ankle-heel area where it feels loose (some free space).

Salomon Pro Model
------------------
Excellent fit

Salomon Crossmax 10
-------------------
Excellent fit

My choice number one is Salomon Crossmax 10. It feels just right, the shell is not as soft as the Atomics and I like the flex too.

The shop I went to is Snow & Rock (B'ham, UK) and I think they have a good name in boot fitting and will do help me get my boots right. However, I am still concerned about some things:

1. Boot size
------------
The guy measured my foot and then asked me to try the shell (without the liner) barefoot with toes close to the front of the shell. This should somehow determine the right size. However, the Atomics (size 27) were a bit uncomfortable in the size he chose because my feet just
could not fit into it (had to bend my fingers). When boots were closed and I leaned forward the size was about right and I felt comfortable. Then they did not have half size bigger so we could not try slightly bigger size. All other boots were tried in 27.5 size. What would be your recommendation about the size? I am a bit afraid that the inner boots might be too big after wearing them in.

2. Wear in
----------
How much should I expect the liners to wear in? A couple of millimetres? More? Is it true (I read it in some other tread here) that if the Atomics have more cushion then they will wear in more than say Salomon (seem to have less cushion)?

3. Liners
---------
All of these boots should have heat mouldable liners. Is the life time of these liners much shorter than liners that are not heat mouldable?

4. Salomon boots
----------------
Any problems with the quality of Salomon boots? Compatibility with Atomic Xentrix bindings (I expect no problem there)? Any comments on the Crossmax 10 model?

5. Foot bed
----------
I know I should get them but they are £ 40 extra. Is this really necessary or can these be bought later if I have problems with my feet? My budget is limited.

6. Snow & Rock
--------------
Any UK bear knows any reason why I should not buy in Snow & Rock or knows better place in the area (West Midlands, UK)?

I take this opportunity to introduce myself to other members (I posted a couple of questions here but I am usually the quiet one who reads this forum and who is learning a great deal from it) and it will also give you an idea of what I ski and what I expect from my boots.

Myself (27 years old male):
---------------------------
Skiing since 4 years old pretty much every weekend in winter. Not much skiing done in last 3 years - not enough time. Started getting back into it last year. I ski about 60% on piste but I am hoping to turn this around to 60% off piste and 40% on piste (once I have enough money to get an avalanche receiver, pay for the guide, etc,...). And I am a student ...

Boots (old Lange XR7 at the moment):
------------------------------------
I am looking for close fit so that any movement goes directly to skis. I do not want extremely stiff boots that are uncomfortable but boots that are stiff enough for me to improve my skiing. Basically something that is better than my current skiing ability so that I can grow into it.

Apologies for the long tread and possible usage of incorrect terms.

Mirek.
post #3 of 8
Mirek,

There's thread in the equipment section on expert boot fitting and alignment, in which Jeff Bergeron has been answering a lot of questions on boot fit. I'd suggest that you read that thread, some of your questions are addressed.
post #4 of 8
I read your request and I do not think there is much to add to it. Either of the Salomon boots you mention should serve you well. The most critical factor is getting the correct size, and the way to determine this is through the shell fit. You gauge the fit by the shell because the liner will stretch over time and then you must rely on the shell to fit. For most skiers a 1.5 finger fit is ideal, which means it is tight enough to hold your feet but big enough to allow them comfort. Since the shop went straight into a shell fit I suspect they have the right size. Good luck.

Jeff
post #5 of 8
Dear Jeff,
I have send you a private mail regarding 'live' bootfitting by yourself when I get to CO.

Let me know if you can't get to it.

Many thx
post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 
To head and Jeff:

Thanks a lot for your input. I just wanted to be sure that I will get everything right. I am following someone's advice "buy as good boots as possible" and it is going to stretch my budget to its maximum. So I do not want to make a costly mistake. Anyway, I will think about it for a while go shopping sometimes next week.

To TAMski:

Thanks. I am aware of that thread but I just needed a bit more of assurance (see above).

Mirek.

[ November 14, 2002, 08:02 AM: Message edited by: Mirek ]
post #7 of 8
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post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 
Well, I have my new ski boots now. I visited a couple of other shops and found a very good one in Leamington Spa. Those people seem to know what they are talking about. After measuring my feet they recommended Lange Banshee 110. The fit was OK but there was a little space above my foot. The next boots were Salomon Course and the fit is very good (it just wraps around my foot). However, I do not like the fact that my toes are touching the front of boots. I know this is probably how it should be but it just feels strange. When buckled up I can still touch the front of the boot but it feels fine (as my heel is a bit more backwards). It also feels a bit too snug but I expect the liner to pack out a bit and it will probably be just fine. So far I only wore them in the house for an hour. I will hopefully go to indoor snow slope for two hours and test them a bit more. That way I can have the fit corrected, if necessary, prior to skiing the real stuff over Christmas.

Thanks to all who replied to my post for their help.

Do not ask me why I thought that Salomon Crossmax would be the way to go. They are wider than Course and I like the fit of Course more (but they did not have them in Snow & Rock). Atomics seems to be too soft for me and again the fit is far from what I get from Course boots.

[ November 22, 2002, 04:36 AM: Message edited by: Mirek ]
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