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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I've been looking for a (cheap) second pair of shorter skis that I can use when skiing with my kids. The newspaper here in Denver is advertising a midnight madness sale at Gart's today -- and one of the ads is for some Dynamic skis and bindings for $179.99. Models are VR CR7 HC men's or C7 ladies'.

I would be willing to buy these w/o demoing (I'm sure they are at least one or two model years back anyway), but I am having a hard time finding any info about them on the Internet. I'll keep looking, but -- do any of you gearheads have experience with or knowledge of these? Thanks ...
post #2 of 22
seg:

I would love to help but the last pair of Dynamics I skied on was the 1979 VR 17. I didn't even know Dynamic still made skis. Thanks for the blast from the past memory!

Mark
post #3 of 22
as far as i remember they were made in grenoble, france. last time i saw a dynamic ski was in 1996 and the were low level rentals' straight pencils. i was having a blast on a pair of dynastar max 0 : . maybe they are some old Rossi model in drag, but in my opinon you can't do worse with asecond hand pair.
post #4 of 22
The old black and yellow VR17's were THE ski to have way back when, eh! Dynamic is still around but don't know if they're available in the US.

http://www.skisdynamic.com/
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
Yeah, everything I can find on google is a French/German/Italian web site. The Dynamic site gives some idea of the models, but it's (obviously) heavy on the marketing. There was no mention of a US distributor.

I don't know why Gart has these skis -- but I'm kind of intrigued. They are good looking, anyway! (And that's important, y'know.) I guess I'll take a look tonight.
post #6 of 22
I just saw a pair of dynamics for sale in my newspaper from gart sports. $179 w/binding
post #7 of 22
Though not really marketed outside of France, Dynamic still lives. They are owned by Atomic and made in the Altenmarkt Austria factory (where all Atomics are made). I don't know much about the line, other than some Atomic technology is used in the manufacturing.
post #8 of 22
"They are owned by Atomic and made in the Altenmarkt Austria factory"

Very interesting! -- Curt
post #9 of 22
Dynamics are/were great skis, I was just checking out my old
210 VR27's last night. But I will most likely never ski them again.
But I was at Sportmart for there midnight madness sale and saw the ski's your asking about. They have some real funky plastic
tip on them. They look like they were made for a rental fleet.
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
I went last night and saw the cheapies, but the only pair they had was a 140. I don't want to go THAT short!

But they also had some new, full-priced VR27s (or maybe VR17s)for sale. Still yellow and black. About $599, IIRC.
post #11 of 22
Quote:
Originally posted by segbrown:
I went last night and saw the cheapies, but the only pair they had was a 140. I don't want to go THAT short!

But they also had some new, full-priced VR27s (or maybe VR17s)for sale. Still yellow and black. About $599, IIRC.
They have those VR17s here in Utah too...but I couldn't find anything about them on the dynamic site, they look like short slaloms, but the (typically unknowledgable) salesperson thought they were for intermediate skiers...anyone know about this ski?
post #12 of 22
I'd forgetten, SKi mag has a review of these int heir race slaloms:

DYNAMIC
VR17
$899,
115-65-100,
150-170
Dynamics are again available in the U.S., but anyone who recalls the unforgiving black skis with the yellow stripes will need to adjust. The ski that Twardokens describes as an "ultra-stable, almost automatic ride" has two carbon "power channels" inside its core, a combination cap-sandwich construction and a topskin made of an aluminum textile. "Rewards a wider stance," says Thys. "Arcs nice mini-GS turns," says Bigford. "Solid all over."

It has the same dimensions as the VR27, so I'm assuming that it must be a somewhat detuned version...?
post #13 of 22
Also, I just noticed that the VR17 has exactly the same gemoetry as the SL:9! Same avail. lengths too...and basically the same construction; so could this be in essense a rebadged SL 9, Atomic's Mercury division, as it were?
post #14 of 22
OMFG, even though I shouldn't have done it money wise right now, I bought them, and I think I just got the best ski deal of my life!!

If you've been looking for a rec/race slalom and are near a Garts, run to your store and see if you can get a pair of VR17s. Just paid $299 for a pair of 160s with 412 (Same as Atomic) bindings and lifter. Skied them for the first time today. Simply fantastic ski, I haven't skied the 9.12 so don't know how similar they are, but I like them a lot better than even the Elan SCX I skied a couple of weeks ago at Peter Keelty's demo day. I'll try to put a fuller review up later...
post #15 of 22
Quote:
Originally posted by Lodro:
OMFG, even though I shouldn't have done it money wise right now, I bought them, and I think I just got the best ski deal of my life!!

If you've been looking for a rec/race slalom and are near a Garts, run to your store and see if you can get a pair of VR17s. Just paid $299 for a pair of 160s with 412 (Same as Atomic) bindings and lifter. Skied them for the first time today. Simply fantastic ski, I haven't skied the 9.12 so don't know how similar they are, but I like them a lot better than even the Elan SCX I skied a couple of weeks ago at Peter Keelty's demo day. I'll try to put a fuller review up later...
Hmmm, maybe those could complement my 188 G4s? (Images of wife killing me go through my head...) What length is good for a 5'11" 185 lbs aggressive guy used to 200 cm SL skis?

Also I can find thr VR 27 but not the VR 17 on their Web site?!

YA
post #16 of 22
Quote:
Originally posted by segbrown:
I've been looking for a (cheap) second pair of shorter skis that I can use when skiing with my kids. The newspaper here in Denver is advertising a midnight madness sale at Gart's today -- and one of the ads is for some Dynamic skis and bindings for $179.99. Models are VR CR7 HC men's or C7 ladies'....
I am not familiar with that particular model, but in case they turn out to be older straight skis, I think a note of caution is in order. Kids learn by imitating. If you are on straight skis (of any length) at slow, kid-friendly speeds, every turn you make will be mostly skidded, and the techniques that you will use to turn the skis will be appropriate for skidded turns. If you have read this forum for any length of time, you probably already know that while pure skidded turns have their use, they are not considered the best introduction to modern skiing, but that's exactly the message your kids will be receiving from you if you are on straight skis, no matter how good your technique is when you are on more modern equipment.

My daughter started skiing at 3 y.o, and is now 10. She has only had a few pro lessons in her life. Last weekend, she wanted to take a lesson, and I was initially proud to see she was put in a level 7-8 class. However, when I spotted her and her instructor doing drills, they were on the steepest trail on the mtn, and I immediately recognized in her just about every flaw I have in my own skiing.

My suggestion is that if you are serious about your kids skiing, do your kids and yourself a favor and pick up a cheap pair (eg, last-year's rentals) of shaped skis and make sure your own skiing is up to snuff.

Tom / PM

[ February 20, 2003, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: PhysicsMan ]
post #17 of 22
Quote:
Originally posted by Ladede:
Hmmm, maybe those could complement my 188 G4s? (Images of wife killing me go through my head...) What length is good for a 5'11" 185 lbs aggressive guy used to 200 cm SL skis?

Also I can find thr VR 27 but not the VR 17 on their Web site?!

YA
Ya, they don't have the VR17 listed. Again, I'm assuming the VR17 is just a detuned version of the VR27 since theyt have exact same sidecut, but the VR17 doesn't seem to give up anything -- its got insane edge hold as it is.

I'm 5'11" 175 or so and the 160 does me great -- definelty don't need any longer.

[Edit] btw, I got the last pair at PC Garts..I think they still have some at Murray sportcastle..

[ February 20, 2003, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: Lodro ]
post #18 of 22
Arghhh! An attempted edit came out as a double post - pls ignore.

[ February 20, 2003, 11:27 AM: Message edited by: PhysicsMan ]
post #19 of 22
PhysicsMan, I agree but with one caveat. Young kids (under 4) usually do not yet have the muscles developed that keep the shaped skis going straight, controlling the degree of edge, etc.

All kids skis have a sidecut, even so called straight ones. I think the criterion for kid skis should be how soft and short they are. But for bigger kids (4 if athletic and definitely older) I too would get a pair of short soft shaped skis.

For example, the kid's Blizzard shaped skis are a nightmare. I rented them by accident for my then 2-1/2 year old. She could stand on them between 2 two-by-fours and they wouldn't even decamber! : The following year, I got her SOFT straight Rossi from 4 years ago, and she carved on soft snow!!! [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img] I think as long as young kids don't get slalom skis, they will figure out what feels best for them.
post #20 of 22
All very valid comments, and I will add that I had (and probably will continue to have) the exact same problem with my light wt daughter not being able to decamber skis, flex overly stiff boots, etc.

However, if I read things correctly, this thread is about skis for Segbrown when she is skiing with her kids, and not skis for the kids.

Tom / PM
post #21 of 22
Tom, you are right. I got carried away. BTW, for overly stiff boots try loosening the top buckles of the shells of her boots (but not the velcro straps).

Alex

[ February 20, 2003, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: AlexG ]
post #22 of 22
Alex - Again, another good suggestion, and this is exactly how my daughter skis her current boots.

This year, at least, I was able to find some boots that were actually long enough for her, but not absurdly stiff. However, even with these, she still does better with the top buckle undone, especially in crud & bumps. FWIW, over the summer, there was a thread about the best boots for kids like her (ie, long thin feet (women's size 7AAA, very light wt (~62 lbs), very tall). Should you be interested in this info for your daughter, I'll attempt to find the URL.

Cheers,

Tom / PM
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