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post #1 of 5
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I just got a block of Toko yellow high fluoro wax and have used it twice but at the end of each day the bases of my skis have had a whitish tinge all over them, like oxidation but a day after waxing?? The bases felt as if they had had all the wax sucked out of them. The skis were fine once waxed again.

The skis have a good sintered base and were waxed before each day and it happened both times. The skis have a base layer of standard shop wax and I was using a low heat setting on the iron.

Have any of you experienced this before? Does high fluoro wax last a very short time on the skis?

BTW the skis were VERY slippery for the first half of the day
post #2 of 5
base burn? i had that happen to a pair of volkls i had. i guess i didn't put enough wax on them or something. Basically, the wax has to penetrate the base of the ski to be effective. While you're skiing, alot of friction is created..to the point that the wax will start melting. What is ideal is that while the wax is melting, you have more wax seeping out of the base to keep your skis "waxed". What I think might have happened in your case is that you didn't have enough wax in your base, so, once the wax was gone, you basically started burning your base because of the friction. Heat accelerates reactions...oxidation goes faster with heat...

then you have high fluoro wax. You know how teflon doesn't "allow" anything really to stick on it? It's cause of all the flourine atoms trying to keep everything to themselves. Similarly, a high flourine count wax SHOULD do something similar...so...it'll be "smoother" skiing, but it won't "stick" to the base as well either. Atleast...on the atomic level, that's what should happen.

I found to prevent something like this, i wax the crap out of my skis. I get a nice thick layer on the base of the skis...then...i scrape away...most ppl might think this absurd...but it does the trick for me so...there's my explanation.

Don't flame me if i'm wrong please [img]smile.gif[/img]

Regards,
Mello
post #3 of 5
try a coarser structure. this will open up the base.
post #4 of 5
The good news is the white stuff may be fluoro. To test this take a dark cloth and rub it on the ski base when your ski looks like this. If the cloth has white on it, it's fluoro. If not, the stuff wore off and your base is DRY. The bad news is the carrier wax for the fluoro is failing to do its job properly. Fluoro additives are great but only as a complement to really good wax. Fluoro itself is only teflon in one form or another. It has great water repelling properties but it also doesn't stick to anything either, DOH! Skiing on only fluoro gets you nowhere fast. It only works well to enhance repelling water in more wet type conditions. WAX however is the real important thing. Almost all ski waxes are only parrafin (candle wax) with various ingredients added to harden or soften it (stearic acid). This gives the wax it's particular temperature range. They mix a wax called microcrystalline (a wax made from denser petroleum material) into it to give it more flexibility when they add hardeners. Otherwise the stuff would just crack off like glass.
To give the wax even more flexibility they use polyethylene or synthetic wax. Polyethylene wax is really polyethylene plastic in a wax state. The problem in general is most of the waxes out there are using, literally, 300 year old technology. Take a look at www.stuntwax.com . I've demo'd their product on a professional level and found it really lived up to their promise. They make a great product!
post #5 of 5
Sounds like your burning all the wax off to me. I took a look at Toko waxes and found that the yellow is for 25 F and above tempertures. Which is fine for 25F and above snow temps but if your sking and the temp of the snow is colder than 25F your yellow wax wont last very long which would explane why your burning off all your wax before the day is over. What you mite try is to first apply a colder temp wax and then the higher temp wax over that for the day of sking if the snow temps are up to 25 and above.

What i do is apply low temp wax along the edges and the proper temperture wax for the day over the entire ski after doing to low temp stuff to the edges first.

temp = temperture in F
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