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Pocket Rocket-Binding Location

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
I have heard that those who don't intend to use the PR for tricks in the park should mount the binding 2 cm back from Salomon's recommended binding location. Any info on this?
post #2 of 18
On www.techsupportforskiers.com Pete Kelty has a write-up on the Pocket Rocket in his top 10 skis of all time. His comment is the mount point is a compromise between the ideal park mount which is more mid-ski and the all-mountain mount. If you are not planning on using them in the park he recommends mounting them 2 cm back.

Saturday I skied 26 inches of El Nino powder on Mt. Ashland on my son's Pocket Rockets which are mounted at the recommended mount point. They were great in the heavy powder and fantastic in the chopped crud but I would have loved them even more if the bindings were mounted a little further back.
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply. For now I'm going to stick with the standard binding location and see how that feels, with a view to maybe having the shop move the bindings back as Keelty recommends.
post #4 of 18
I pursued this question last year directly with Salomon. The recommendation was the same, 2cm back.
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
Are you using the Pocket Rocket?
post #6 of 18
Geoff -

Do you have a shop where you ski that demos the Pocket Rocket? The way the Salomon 912 demo binding is set up the shop should be able to move the toe to various locations on the ski allowing you find your preference.
post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 
Good point, Rio. The closest demo PR's are in Whistler, 3 hrs. north of here. It would be quicker just to have the shop move the bindings for me but I don't like the idea of drilling all those extra holes in the skis.
post #8 of 18
It also depends on what length you are on. With the 185's longer turning radius, I wouldn't mount them back 2cm, they seem plenty stable the way they are. The 175's I skied had the binding mounted about 1/2 cm forward, and they were great, turny, but still could let them run. I could see trying the binding back on that length though.
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
I'm 6ft, 170lb and I have the 175cm. I think I will give the PR's a few good days on the mountain before deciding on binding location. The pair I demoed at Whistler in May were great, very easy to handle in the spring slush. I tend to ski all over the place at lower speeds, poking around and exploring the trees, gullies, looking for smallish jumps, etc. Always off piste. I'm thinking that the 2cm back thing is good if you focus mainly on powder skiing, which is a skill I have yet to acquire.
post #10 of 18
I have the PR in 175. They were demos so they still have the demo bindings on them. I'm 6'1" 190 and the reps where I bought them said the 175 would be fine for what I was going to use them for. Powder, crud, trees. I've skied them only twice so far but am wondering if I should have gone with the 185. Would shifting the bindings back the 2cm help? With the demo set-up is this easier to do? My boot sole is 330mm. I think there is enough room to move it back this far. Is this something I should have the ski shop do just to be sure? I could probably mark where they currently are so I could shift them back if needed. Any ideas?

post #11 of 18
Steve -

If you have to ask about moving the toe & heel on your demo binding it would best to have a shop do it for you. It is very easy to leave Salomon demo bindings unlocked causing the toe or heel to slip which could lead to premature releases.

I'm 5' 11", 180 pounds after the holidays and just skied on my sons 175cm as stated above. In the heavy west coast powder I encountered I would have preferred either the binding back two centimeters or the ski at 185 cm. I'm not sure which would be optimal and since we don't have enough snow in Montana to demo yet it will be a while before I can find out which I prefer.
post #12 of 18
I'd agree. The toe portion locks in with no problem it's the heel that makes me a little nervous. It doesn't seem to engage as positive as the toe. The shop should be able to do this in a minute or two.
post #13 of 18
Geoff, after extensive deliberation last year I decided to go with Atomic EX's instead of the PR's, mainly for the extra stability on groomed and crud. I use them as an all mountain ski when the snow is the least bit soft.
post #14 of 18
Anyone had these thoughts about the 1080? I demoed it with the center mount and found it had a lot of tail. Not that it was anything more then a minor inconvinience but what would the advantages/disadvantages be to mounting the binding back?
post #15 of 18
Having the bindings mounted forward (at the normal mounting position) makes it easier on groomers (easier to pressure the tips). Center mount is easier in the park if you're going to be rotating on them. Mounting them back makes them easier to ski in powder since you can maintain an aggressive forward stance and the tips will be less weighted (less likely to dive). So for the average skier or for a ski you want to use everywhere you should be best off with it mounted in the normal position (which would be the 2cm back on Pocket Rockets, since they are center mounted twintips.) Moving the mounting position is most useful if you plan to use the ski for something specific (powder only or park only.) But if you have the opportunity to test it out and see what you like - that's probably the way to go!
post #16 of 18
This year on a whim I got a pair PR's for pow days. I was confused about the mounting too, but when it was all said and done, I had them mounted at the recommended point for a few reasons.

First of all, I'm of the belief that most ski manufacturers recommended point is too far back. I skied my Atomic 10.EX's moved forward one notch on the Xentrix bindings all last year. I moved them back to the normal point on a couple big snow days but that was it.

Second, a Salomon rep I know personally told me that the ski is designed for the marked point. The ski has a really soft tip and tail. The soft tip keeps the tips up even with the more center mounted design. The ski isn't truly center mounted, but it is closer to center than normal. In addition, the tail flex was designed with a longer length in mind. IMO, the tail is too soft to be skied shorter.(keep in mind I'm talking about a shorter or longer tail based on the mounting point, not overall ski length)

Third, I think I'm in favor of the ball of foot on center approach to mounting. With the recommended mark on the PR's my bof is nearly right on the center of the running length. You need to remember that the giant twin tip tail of the PR doesn't count as part of the tail. My advice to anyone mounting PR's is to find the true center of the running length of the ski, then position the boot so the ball of your foot is right on that point.

Finally, your boot size makes a pretty big difference in this whole formula. My boot length is 293mm. Most ski manufacturers use boot center mark to position the boot on the ski. This formula puts the ball of my foot farther back on the ski than someone with a 320mm sole. The difference is really pretty dramatic. Last season I talked with a former PSIA demo teamer who was dealing with this issue. Last year K2, his sponser, switched from using a boot toe point mount to a boot center mount. He realized that because of his small boot size he was more than an inch farther back on his K2 Axis X than his K2 Mod X. Basically, the conclusion of this is that if you have smaller feet like me and him, you may want to be farther up.

I wasn't too thrilled with the all around performance of the PR when I tried it last year. I only got mine for pure pow days. However, to my surprise they've become my everyday ski this season. My 10.Ex's are collecting dust. The PR takes time to find its balance point, but once you find it, its a great great ski. I felt like I was mounted too far forward for a day or 2, but now it feels great. No problems in deep snow, the tips float up just fine on my 185's. In a few days I want to do another review of the ski, basically I feel that it is one of the most underrated skis of all time. I completely dropped the ball on my review last year.
post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
Pocket Rocket Update:
After two days on my new PR's, my decision is to leave the bindings at Salomon's recommended location. I found the Pocket Rocket to be very versatile, a good carver provided the snow is soft enough to engage the ski, stable on landing jumps, and also plenty stable enough for the speeds I normally ski at. The only reason I can see to move the binding would be for dedicated powder skiing. The tail is already soft enough, moving the binding to the rear could make the ski feel like it has no tail at all. The Pocket Rocket works well everywhere except on hard, icy scraped-off sections of the groomed runs, where the soft tip chatters and won't grip. I skied places I would never go before. I even survived in some really rough off-piste crud that had been soaked with rain the day before and frozen overnite into an inch thick crust over a foot or so of heavy wet stuff. It wasn't pretty but then my skiing was never pretty to start with anyway. The Pocket Rocket is a great ski.
post #18 of 18
Probably a good decision to leave them centered. Since I'm planning on buying some PR's, this thread got me thinking about binding location also. I skied with Peter Keelty a half day in Deer Valley last week, great guy, incredibly knowledgable about skiing. He skis on the 175 PR and loves them, but I forgot to ask him about binding placement, so I emailed him and this is what he had to say about it.

"My PR's (with a 320mm boot sole) are mounted in factory position and seem just fine. Several of our test skiers mount theirs a bit back and claim better deep snow float, but I haven't gotten around to changing mine and so cannot make a direct comparison.

I suspect you've hit upon the best answer; use a binding that can be moved back and forth. Atomic's Variozone models and Tyrolia's Railflex are the moveable bindings of choice at the moment, although we hear Marker will introduce one this spring.

Hope this helps, see you at the Bears' Gathering...


By the way, he has a great web site, www.techsupportforskiers.com , well worth the small cost to join, plus you can email him questions.
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