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Beasts of the East

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Inspired by Quadride's assertion that there IS legitimate double-black terrain in the Northeast U.S., I'd like to see a list of what people consider the toughest trails in the East.

And please, no flames from those of you who can clean "La Poubelle" in Chamonix, "S&S" at Jackson Hole, or certain runs off the tram at Big Sky, and need to feel superior.

I'll start off with a run I had absolutely, positively no business being on, even though it had a foot of fresh snow on it at the time: Whiteface's "The Slides": 3,420 vertical feet (MORE VERT THAN ANY MOUNTAIN IN UTAH!! HA!!) that I'll never attempt again, at least until I magically become a Level 9 skier.
post #2 of 23
White Heat at Sunday River absolutly kicked my can about 10 years ago. Bumped up shoulder high and less than (much less than)perfect snow conditions. On the other hand, White Nitro in the snowfields at Sugarloaf is steep, steep, steep and out of sight in good conditions. I consider both of these trails legit double diamonds.
post #3 of 23
I skied the slides last easter sunday. I didn't even figure they were going to be open. My wife and daughter wanted to take a break-so I took the summit chair and couldn't believe it when I saw a couple of skiers over there. Only slides 1 & 2 were open. They had gotten a storm earlier in the week, but it was warm and there was hero corn. They were fun, but I expected them to be steeper-maybe it was the snow-if it had been hard it probably would have been a different story. I don't think the slides are actually 3400 ft vert. At least not the day I was there-the run out was at Slide Cut (I think) which brings you back at about mid mountain.

edit-checked the wf website-the slides are 1250 ft vert.

[ September 27, 2002, 07:10 AM: Message edited by: BG ]
post #4 of 23
What constitutes a double black anyway? Because there is a huge difference between Jericho at Jimminy Peak and The Slides at Whiteface. Do we consider Outer Limits at Killington harder then The Rumor at Gore because it has bumps? What about gladed trails, or chutes? Do we consider them "more worthy" of being double blacks then bowls, simply because there is less snow and more obsticles? To nominate runs in the East that qualify as double black i would have to agree that The Slides are as tough as anything you will find out west. I'm not sure theres really anyplace in the east thats lift serviced that compares to the quantity of quality double black runs that you would find at a western resort.
post #5 of 23
OL can be a very differnt run from one day to the next. When bumped up, it is a double.

Devils Fiddle is definitely a double, especially at the top.

Steins, Castlerock and Rumble at Sugarbush.

Paradise, among many at MRG

Upper Giant Killer at Pico

The Trees between Nosedive and Perry Merril at Stowe.

Can't think of anything at Mt Snow or Okemo tht are worthy.
post #6 of 23
snowfields at sugarloaf. White Nitro depending on conditions- which amounts to about 90% of the time.
post #7 of 23
Quote:
Steins, Castlerock and Rumble at Sugarbush.

Paradise, among many at MRG

Upper Giant Killer at Pico

The Trees between Nosedive and Perry Merril at Stowe.
I never felt Steins was all that difficult at the 'bush. Too wide open. Castelrock and Rumble are tough however.

Goat is a favorite of mine at Stowe. Narrow, and in a bad snow year (we have those in the east??) a lot of exposed rocks.

The trees off of Chinclip (Oz was what we called it, no idea what the locals call it) or the Chin are also nice at Stowe, but not named runs for the sake of this discussion.
post #8 of 23
I've heard rumors about The Rumor at Gore....
post #9 of 23
Rumor is STEEP, but i didn't find it all that chalenging, since it doesn't hold snow well enough to form bumps like lies does It is a fun trail to ski however!!!
post #10 of 23
I remember once someone telling me that West Point has a ski area with the steepest run. Can anyone comfirm or deny that?

West Point Ski Club
post #11 of 23
Quote:
Originally posted by PinHed:
I remember once someone telling me that West Point has a ski area with the steepest run. Can anyone comfirm or deny that?

West Point Ski Club
I've never heard of a ski area there, but I bet someone would attest to dropping off the edge of Old Storm King Hwy as being the most challenging if not steepest.
post #12 of 23
[ October 04, 2002, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: EstCstSkr ]
post #13 of 23
I think Killingtons "canyon" runs qualify as doubles regardless of East Vs West comparisons.

They are all steep, If you fall you end up a long way from where you started and likely a long way from your gear.
It is easy to get going "too fast" on "hard Snow" days. (Double Dipper collects lost of runaways at the bottom)
The trees add lots of interest . (Glades next to Double Dipper and East Fall) Glades off Cascade are way tough.
Ovation is always sobering and the trees to the left there of are not to be taken lightly.

The whole area is just a delight in good snow.

remember, what we call "glades" western skiers call "under brush".
I have had more fun at Killington than just about anywhere. I like the New England closeness.

Mt. Snow has nothing to speak of. But "the plunge" is sweet if not short.

CalG
post #14 of 23
Quote:
I think Killingtons "canyon" runs qualify as doubles regardless of East Vs West comparisons.
I didn't know there was such a comparison. Did you know that green, blue, black, etc. are relative only to the slopes of any one ski area? That's why there's really no point in establishing comparisons between the runs of different ski areas.

No takers on whether the West Point Ski Club has the steepest pitch in NE? Someone here has been there, I'm sure.
post #15 of 23
double-blacks in the NE?

Paradise at MRG, and there's so much more of that if you just look around.

Rumble at sugarbush. Hammerhead is close to a double black, relentless steepness there.

Under the tram at Jay.

I hope ther is some at the loaf, can't speak for that though.
post #16 of 23
Steepness has nothing to do with it. I submit:

Killington. 2pm on any Saturday. Lower Bear Claw. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #17 of 23
Smuggler's Notch has "The Black Hole", which they label a triple. I'll vouch for it as a good double. It's a steep, very tight glades trail and the snow stays in the Hole woods pretty good. It's not always open, because "Upper Lift-line", a respectable double, needs to be open to access The Hole and wind scour exposes too much rockface on Liftline and it gets closed because the Patrol can't run a sled down it.
post #18 of 23
Magic Mtn. has some double diamonds worth trying.
post #19 of 23
Smuggler's ~ The Hole & Freefall..

EP
post #20 of 23
Quote:
Originally posted by GeoffD:
Steepness has nothing to do with it. I submit:

Killington. 2pm on any Saturday. Lower Bear Claw. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Well Said!

It's like rush-hour traffic on a Friday afternoon. Downright dangerous! Terrifying too...

Let me throw my 2 cents in on this challenging discussion - Killington's Lower Ovation is the steepest trial I can (remember) skiing. It was like falling from one bump to the next. Devil's Fiddle/Outer limits have nothing on this trail.

I've spent a lot of time @ Gore so I can say that the top of Rumor is reather steep. Upper Darby, Hullabaloo and Lower Steilhang (sp?), while all VERY short, are very fun and challenging too. These trails are very narrow and have the weirdest fall-lines you can imagine.
post #21 of 23
I have to add an unusual vote on this topic. One Thanksgiving weekend about 15 years ago I found a triple-diamond at Hunter Mt, NY! Even though it was raining in NYC, we decided to go up on the Saturday of that weekend. It was raining all the way.

I kept saying it would be snowing on the mountain. Of course it became a freezing rain as the day went on. We only skied the lower mt. because there was a big warning sign about the dangerous conditions on the upper mt. I finally got bored enough to feel compelled to go for it and went for the summit.

Hellgate (an intermediate trail) was the only trail open and due to the warm temps., the large moguls had not been groomed. No one else was on the chairlift or the entire trail. I soon found out why. A thick gaze of ice had gripped the top of Hunter Mt. That was one of the toughest runs I had ever skied because of the conditions.

That day, Hellgate was a "triple-diamond". On the East coast, snow conditions can make almost any run on any day a double-diamond.
post #22 of 23
After watching the tramway renovations at Cannon Mt. over the summer, I'd been wondering why there seemed to be grading work going on underneath the tram line. Word is out now, the tram line will be officially open for skiing for the '02-'03 season. Looking down from the tram car I always thought of the possibilities, kept just clear enough of trees to ski, lots of boulder drops, but needing huge snow cover to be skiable. People have skied it before, but probably not from top to bottom. It appears to be widened slightly and smoothed out now but still it will be more like "Dodge's Drop" on Mt Washington (very narrow, 50 deg+ chute)than any other lift served trail. Natural snow only, don't see how it could be groomed. It will no doubt be a major pain for patrollers rescuing gapers. But will it be a double black diamond? doubt it; not Cannon's style, it's either green, blue, or black...period.
post #23 of 23
Well.... If steepness is your criteria, then "Dodges Drop" mentioned earlier or some of the other comparable chutes at Tuckerman's would get my vote. These really are steep, snow-in-your-face, climb up chutes. They're springtime runs, would not be skiable in winter. Problem is, recent winters haven't produced enough snow on them.
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