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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
OK, here's the deal: I ski on Xscreams, 179cm, and I do have a backup ski: Dynastar
speed sx, 187cm, but to tell the truth, I won't use them anymore. My son is 13, a
snowboarder, but has declared he wants twin tips for the park and tricks. As it turns out,
he will be the same boot size as me, probably. I weigh 175, he is probably 130, but growing
I had this brilliant idea that I buy him twin tips which I could use as a 2nd ski in the rare
chance we get pow in Vermont. I adjust DIN when I use them. So, given this hairbrain
scheme, what should I buy, what length?
post #2 of 28
Haven't tried too many twins, but I ski the K2 Enemy (tele set up) in 183 cm on the east coast and love them. For something I picked up to play with in the park I was pleasently surprised as to how versitle of an all mountain eastern ski they were. By the end of the season I rarely took my Mod X's out (188cm, tele set up). The ski is incrediblely quick and holds up on the hard pack out here very well. A little unstable at high speeds, but that wasn't what I bought them for anyways. The price tag was nice too.. I see them for $300 and under all the time. A warning, I have heard they have delam problems, although I have never (knock on wood) experienced any. Not sure what size for your son to try .. I am 5'10 and 170 lbs and the 183 works great.
post #3 of 28
The top twin-tip still is the 1080 unless something better is coming out this year. They are good in the park and a fun ski out of the park. The big issue would be which length. I wouldn't go longer than 169 because of your sons age and size (I know a few 160+ skiers on that length).
post #4 of 28
heard a rumor that k2 is going to sell the enemy for $99 next year. anyone?
post #5 of 28
I ski a pair of 1080's in a 177. I'm 5'11" and 165-175 pending preseason workouts, I think I'm a pretty good skier. For your son, given his age, and where he plans to take these skis, go with a shorter length, they will be a bit quicker under his feet, and therefore quicken his learning curve in the park (which will help bring him back from the dark side).

My 1080's are a second ski, I use them about 30% of the time, they are not a powder ski, but a lot of fun. So if your looking for a powder ski, these may not be what your looking for. I personally don't like a long tail on a ski in pow, anything over 4 inches and they don't come out. They will handle it, just not to my liking.

Good luck with your son, hope he enjoys the park.
post #6 of 28
There are some Line twins on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1843091379
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1841644313
I would go with the right length for him probably the 152 and try to pick up a fatty for your self on the cheap.
post #7 of 28
r,

Spinheli, who has connections with K2, told me that the MSRP on enemys will drop about 100 bucks in the 2002/2003 product lineup...not quite 99 bucks out the door but it leaves more $ in your pocket for lift tickets.
post #8 of 28
My son has had a few pair of Line skis. The 1280s where great for tricks but funky to ski outside the park due to their mid-ski mounting. The Dragons were fine on crud & slush, subpar elsewhere & too heavy for the park. The Skogens were light & easy to do tricks with but sucked bigtime skiing. The 1280s & Dragons held up great but the Skogens were flimsy. All the Line skis come with cheap P-Tex that gouges real easy.
post #9 of 28
well, if you just want to mess around, you can get a pair of volant mct's in a 168 for $99 from...
http://www.skinetsports.com/

check out the closeouts page.
post #10 of 28
Salomon - Pocket Rocket - a twin tip for the outdoors!
post #11 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks, uh, dudes,

I just got back from 4 days in the Adirondacks. 4 guys, 2 canoes, discussing how women done us wrong. It was great to hear your responses. My boarder son has been talking Line, because we have a local Line office here in Burlington, VT and he has been there trying to sleaze a deal (no luck, so far), so I appreciate the Line observations. I am a Salomon guy, myself, so, what is the diff between pocket rockets and 1080s?
post #12 of 28
I personally feel that the Pocket Rockets are specific to backcounty jibbing, not an all moutain ski. Its fat, which floats nice, but I feel it has to much tail to be a good pow ski, as it tended to nose dive on me. Its a nice ski, but may be a bit much for Vermont. Personal opinions from a demo event.

I ski the 1080, and like it. Its my swiss army ski, I tend to put it places in tough conditions, when the fat boards stay locked up. While I wish it were a bit stiffer in hardpack and steep conditions, its just about right for tough landings and bumps, even though I don't like the long tails on a bump ski, and it tends to get sketchy at speed. Not really a powder ski, but who skis powder on a regular basis? (Ok, we do here in Utah, as with a few other places) Again my personal observations with about 35 days on a pair.

The Pocket Rocket measures out at: 122-90-115, and comes in a 165, 176 and 185cm lengths.

The 1080 measures in at: 108-75-100, and comes in a 161, 169 and 177 lengths.

Both are great skis, meant to do the same stuff in different conditions.

EDIT - Removed smart-ass comment.

[ July 15, 2002, 11:49 AM: Message edited by: AltaSkier ]
post #13 of 28
My 21 year old son spent last winter with a bunch of buddies working at Sugar Bowl and skiing the various Tahoe ski areas. He worked in a demo shop. He had his Line Skogens and some 175 Pocket Rockets. He loved the Pocket Rockets for non-groomed terrain but not the heavy, hard groomed Sierra snow. He didn't use the Pocket Rockets much in the park but said a lot of people did because of the wide platform provided stability landing jumps. This year he is replacing the Skogens with Salomon AK Rockets which are purported to be a ski between the 1080 and Pocket Rocket. Personally, I wouldn't look at the Ak Rocket or Pocket Rocket where you live unless you are mainly looking for something for powder and taking out west.
post #14 of 28
Mr. Tater Head
Given that your son is a snowboarder, he may enjoy the extra snowboard-like width and float offered by the Pocket Rocket. Also, if you're like me and insist on dragging the ski season all the way out to the bitter end, the PR will skim over that sloppy springtime slush where other skis tend to sink in and grab.
Geoff
post #15 of 28
Has anyone here skied the Fischer Sceneo lineup?
Ski Canada said they were ultra light, had twin tips, and could rip up the rest of the hill as well with it's mid size waist.
post #16 of 28
The past two years ive skied on the 00-01 and 01-02 skogen sprangs and i think theyre a good all around ski. i used them out at alta last winter in the powder and they were fine,theyre an awesome park ski although they get a little shakey at high speeds no complaints at all. as for RIO, they definately did not suck. maybe its not the ski.
post #17 of 28
The past two years ive skied on the 00-01 and 01-02 skogen sprangs and i think theyre a good all around ski. i used them out at alta last winter in the powder and they were fine,theyre an awesome park ski although they get a little shakey at high speeds no complaints at all. as for RIO, they definately did not suck. maybe its not the ski.
post #18 of 28
heffay82 -

What is your age, size and weight? My son is 165 pounds, 6' and 21 years old and an expert skier. I am 5' 11", 175 pounds and 46 years old. Most of my sons friends are in their early 20s and run between 160 and 190 pounds. The concensus between us was that the Skogen tended to wash-out, especially the tail, when pushed at speed. They were fun, light, quick skis for short turns, but not robust & stable enough for all-mountain skiing. I assume that if the Skogen was available in a longer size it might have performed different but that's one of Lines shortcomings. Its one-size-fits-all philosophy just doesn't work.
post #19 of 28
-Rio
im 19 years old, almost 6' and weigh around 165. I understand that you skiing in the west coast and well i ski in the east coast always and there is a huge difference of what kinds of skis i use and your son uses. ive been skiing since i could walk and im sure your son is damn good too, but i just didnt agree that you said that skogens suck as a ski, because i have used the skogens out west at alta, but it was also mainly powder, i wouldnt use them in crud and for tons of speed b/c they wont hold up. i dunno maybe our taste in skis and how we think they hold up in certain conditions are different. i ski rock hard snow and bullet proof ice every season unless we get lucky and get a frequent snow storm so if the skogens hold up on ice and death cookies alright, then their fine for me.
no hard feelings. peace
post #20 of 28
Twintips = pointless

1) People in the park are landing switch so far forward their tails barely even touch the snow
2) Really, how many people do you see skiing backwards, anyway? (Most twintippers I've seen have a tough enough time skiing forwards)
3) They subtract at least 5cm of good useable edge-length turning a 185 into panty-waste
4) They're all but impossible to jam in the snow when mated
5) The things throw up an annoying rooster tail in the pow

Just another marketing ploy to hook the 'dazed-and-confused', in my opinion.
post #21 of 28
How do people cope with twin tips on gondola lifts. I rented a pair for a day and found that they would only fit in the ski racks if I put one ski in each rack! Fortunately it was low season so the gondolas weren't full and I could get away with doing this.

Also I would agree that the rooster tail can be annoying - Pocket Rockets even do it on piste!
post #22 of 28
Quote:
Originally posted by Cheap seats:
Twintips = pointless

1) People in the park are landing switch so far forward their tails barely even touch the snow
2) Really, how many people do you see skiing backwards, anyway? (Most twintippers I've seen have a tough enough time skiing forwards)
3) They subtract at least 5cm of good useable edge-length turning a 185 into panty-waste
4) They're all but impossible to jam in the snow when mated
5) The things throw up an annoying rooster tail in the pow

Just another marketing ploy to hook the 'dazed-and-confused', in my opinion.
Let me reply to this.

1. Ever been in a tight chute that takes some time to set up for? Ever need to back up a few feet in the steep tree/rocks in deep pow? If so, you will understand why they are great. My Volkl G4's are not curled up in the back to land switch, way to stiff.

2. A curled up back, such as a twin tip, will release an edge quicker than a straight tail. Making your 185's take advantage of their sidecuts all the way through the turn, then, when you need to release the edge, they handle like a 175.

3. Unmate them before jaming them in the snow. Hold 'em in a 'V' shape and jam them in. They will go straight when your fininshed. Really not a big deal. If it is, chuck 'em against a building or rack, skiing on skis is harder on them than storing them.

4. Rooser tails. Why the hell are you looking at the tails of your skis when your skiing anyway? If this really peeves you, go get a drink in the lodge.

I believe that I'm a pretty good skier and I'm sold on twins. I never ski backwards for any length of time, I don't land switch, and I probably will never buy another ski that is not a twin tip. If you hate 'em, great, to each his own. I've got an old set of race boards, Rossi 7SK in my garage I'd be willing to part with.

Just my couple of pennies.
post #23 of 28
I don't give a damn about the rooster tails from my skis - it is the rooster tail from the skier in front hitting me in the face I'm not so keen on. Off piste I'll stay far enough away for it not to be a problem, but as I said Pocket Rockets do it on piste and if you are skiing in a group on piste it is a pain.
post #24 of 28
well dont ski behind people on twin tips then if the rooster tail bothers you that much. maybe your the one who has trouble skiing forward since your the one choking on others peoples roosters.
post #25 of 28
I have 1080's they are great skis do well in park and out of it. dont get much powder here in Ohio or Michigan so cant say much about that. I completely agree with alta. for landing switch they are nice. there also nice for taking of switch.(its embarasing when u try to take off backward and catch the edge of the jump. those are my two cent.
post #26 of 28
Quote:
Originally posted by AltaSkier:
[QB]
The Pocket Rocket measures out at: 122-90-115, and comes in a 165, 176 and 185cm lengths.

The 1080 measures in at: 108-75-100, and comes in a 161, 169 and 177 lengths.

Both are great skis, meant to do the same stuff in different conditions.

[QB]
Things get a little fuzzier this coming year since the 1080 has adopted the PR's Spaceframe construction method and similar dimensions. The new ski has been widened for added stability during re-entry and the tip flex kept soft for jump/pipe transitions.

Have a look at the new 1080 in a 171 length - dimensions: 114/80/108

[ July 24, 2002, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: Warren ]
post #27 of 28
Quote:
Originally posted by Cheap seats:
Twintips = pointless

Just another marketing ploy to hook the 'dazed-and-confused', in my opinion.
Dude, Twintips are here to stay, like em or not. I might be dazed & confused, but thats not why a twin is my everyday stick.

Alta desribes why I use them...instead of stopping and setting up a semi-difficult line (chute, trees, etc) it's sweet to rapidly pendulum back & forth, eyeing it out, dropping in with slight slide to rear & coming around, dead- on that line. On twins, it's a fluid, undisrupted, sweet motion, body perfectly in line. In Tight situations in the trees with deep pow abound, it is one hell of a work out to back up without them, humping & grunting around in the thick of things is much easier on/twins.

As far as the twin folk being mostly inferior skiers, thats has not been my experience, not only do OB rippers perfer them, but I've seen WC racing coaches use them & instructors.
post #28 of 28
I love my twins. I love my XX's with a wannabe twin set-up. I ride fakie. I land fakie. I ski pretty damn well. Perhaps I am one of the few anomalies, but twins are my favorite tool. I think that it is tools like the twin tip that will keep another generation interested in skiing. My two cents. Sorry that others don't have as much fun on these kinds of sticks as the "dazed and confused" types like myself seem to enjoy. BTW, I do ride my 10EX's (note...not a twin) when I feel the need to assimilate.
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