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post #1 of 44
Thread Starter 
Utah skiers deprived of HONEST BEER!

If I head your way in the spring I can load my car with some of the Front Range's finest hand crafted old world ales and lagers. New Belgium, Left Hand, Boulder, Oasis. Or, from the Cascade region with its fine hops: Pyramid, being one of my faves. Even Bud, or your favorite malt liquor 40. One stop at Booze Mart is all it would take.

The question is, what will you be willing to trade for it? A tour of the secret stashes? Lift tickets? Ski dates with the girls next door?
post #2 of 44
I would be careful. From my understanding, there are strict laws againest taking beer into Utah. Utah beer has a stamp on it. If you are found with beer that doesn't have the stamp you can be charged with bootlegging. I don't know if it is true. We were warned on a trip to Lake Powell. Can anyone from Utah confirm?
post #3 of 44
Actually I believe that interstate transit of alcohol between any state is illegal, Utah is just one of those weird states that actually chooses to try to enforce this!

Psst, don't tell, but I know someone who's made lots of trips to Evanston, Wendover, Mesquite, Page, etc. and brought lots of "good beer" back into Utah. The authorities got a bit of a black eye in the press a while ago for staking out liquor stores across the border and now only seem to go after the obvious folks who bring back a couple of kegs in the back of their pick ups!

Anyway, good beer without a road trip HMMMM...
post #4 of 44
I'll tell you what, you pick up my friend in Golden, bring the beer, and I'll show you SOME of the stashes! Spring skiing last year here was great, I recall a 60" storm in April last year, or was that a dream?

I know this guy, who knew this other guy, who had this roommate who brought beer back from Wyoming once, and did not get pressure from the man, but he still had his Michigan plates on his truck.

Where do you plan to ski when you get here?
post #5 of 44
Interstate transit of beer is illegal only if done for commercial purposes. There's nothing illegal about taking your own beer for consumption in another state.

Chimp, be careful about how you barter! Don't ask for $$.

hee haw!

BTW - New Belgium one of the FR's finest? Nay, my friend. Fat Tire is one of the world's most over-rated microbrews. It tastes like soapy dishwater. blecch. The Porter is pretty good - what is it, 1859?

Stop in Missoula and get some Kettle House, Bitterroot, Big Sky and Bayern products. The Kettle House Olde Bongwater Porter is very very tasty. Big Sky's Powder Hound ale is another good one.
post #6 of 44
Ahh, save the lugging, just stick with the Wasatch brew pub, always my fave....mmmmm....Rasberry Wheat...mmmmm...
post #7 of 44
Thread Starter 
Wow. Bootlegging. Cool!

These days I often seem to be asking myself: What do I know? And answering: Not much!

I really have no idea what liquor is available in Utah and what laws I could possibly break with this offer. No, not for $.

I didn't know there was beer brewed in Utah. Last time I was there I changed planes in the airport in SLC and the time before that I was camped out in some canyon outside of Moab, fully coolered up.

I may be heading to a cheap motel in Salt Lake post-Olympics. Plans are vague. I would like to hit Alta and Snowbird as I have heard such good stuff about them both.

But right now I am healing my knee. Hopefully it will be fine soon. I may try a few runs this weekend. I did pull out my track skis after watching some World Cup nordic relay skiing on OLN last night which reminded me how much I love to cross country ski. I may go glide around the beautiful tracks up at Snow Mtn Ranch.

Maybe I should rent "Smokey and the Bandit" and drink some Coors. I could pick up a few tips.
post #8 of 44
I haven't ever heard of any visitors to Utawww, being busted for 'bootlegging' I know that Utaw posts undercover agents in Evanston, Wyo, looking for Utaw plates at the liquor stroes there,( where the real beer is. then once you cross the line, bam, smokey has ya pulled over.
There are plenty of great micro brews here, Wasatch,Sqautters,( it is a higher content, than the national brands, or in grocery stores) and yes some bars do offer the Colorado brews,Wyoming brews as well.
post #9 of 44
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gonzostrike:
Fat Tire is one of the world's most over-rated microbrews.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right. Fat Tire is probably the single most overrated micro in the US. A strong regional contender in Seattle is Mac & Jack's African Amber, but I don't think it's available outside Washington. It is better than Fat Tire, but I can't understand its popularity. Must be a marketing thing.
post #10 of 44
Tell you what, I'm becoming a pretty big fan of Squatter's Cutthroat. Not a bad local at all, not at all.

Of course, I'm now from Utah, no longer Michigan. Now that Stroh's is not my local microbrew, what can you do?
post #11 of 44
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by skialta:
Ahh, save the lugging, just stick with the Wasatch brew pub, always my fave....mmmmm....Rasberry Wheat...mmmmm...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry, but you need serious help. Please present yourself at your local hospital immediately for some shock therapy. Fruit flavored beer is a plot to get all of us to eventually drink Zima. Its being run by those same guys who started that NESARA thing. You have been warned.
post #12 of 44
I'd always thought about going to Utah sometime, but after reading this, I think it's going to come off my list.


No Ski ANd No BeER mAkE HoMer gO crAzY
nO sKI anD nO bEer MAKe hOmER Go CRaZy
No Ski ANd No BeER mAkE HoMer gO crAzY
nO sKI anD nO bEer MAKe hOmER Go CRaZy
No Ski ANd No BeER mAkE HoMer ......
post #13 of 44
Hey Fox, the skiing is worth it, and its not all that hard to get beer here, we just like to complain.

Fruit flavored beer. YUCK. I'd rather put a Jolly Rancher in my Zima.
post #14 of 44
ZIMA??????
Man, you need some professioanl help
post #15 of 44
irul, thanks for saying what I was thinking. I thought fruity beers (i.e. framboise) were for those who have two X chromosomes.

post #16 of 44
Chimp,

Coors is the finest beer in the land...
post #17 of 44
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gonzostrike:
I thought fruity beers (i.e. framboise) were for those who have two X chromosomes.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, those raspberry wheats, etc. are definitely for pansies. Certain authentic Belgian lambics (i.e., framboise and kriek) OTOH are sour enough to put hair on your chest. There are dumbed-down brands, but the authentic can be pretty intense.

Sorry, we're getting a little off the topic of beer in Utah, aren't we [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #18 of 44
So I am sitting here reading this post sipping on a fine Polygamy Porter, wondering what all the controversy is about? Astro, You don't have to smuggle beer into Utah we do make our own.As They say up at the Wasatch brew pub "We drink our fill and share the rest."
post #19 of 44
FYI
bring non UTah beer into UT is illegal.
it is called bootlegging ( no shit), sorry gonz.
I think you know some people who have actually run afoul of the law for doing it.
I still do it every time I come home from CO or wyomin
post #20 of 44
I gotta agree with Matt, it doesn't matter if it's commercial or private, bringing booze into Utah w/o the little stickers will get you popped if caught (chances are slim, but). I think they get you on the taxes they would have collected or something like that?

I also like the St. Provo Girl beer (it's a really smooth pilsner) from Squatters, I even have the poster at work! :
post #21 of 44
sphrrt just wants a date with the St Provo Girl.
post #22 of 44
TR@DV, what you don't like the Zima? Its good stuff man, especially if you mix it with, man forget it, I can't even joke about that, its just not funny, that stuff sucks, I agree.

Alright Utah Bears, I'm getting an old wood boat, putting a huge engine, thinking around 400-500hp, so it will do around 70mph, and putting in on Bear Lake. I need a couple of you to get the "rum" (from Wyoming) to the "runner" and a few of you to help unload the goods in speak-easys across the valley. I have some business associates that are more than happy to help control competition.

Moab also has the Moab Brewery, which has a few good beers as well.

I know that we have our own beers here in the Zion, however, isn't it more fun to "bootleg"?
post #23 of 44
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by matt_davis:
FYI
bring non UTah beer into UT is illegal.
it is called bootlegging ( no shit), sorry gonz.
I think you know some people who have actually run afoul of the law for doing it.
I still do it every time I come home from CO or wyomin
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


ur, uh, sorry Matt. "Bootlegging" was a term coined for running ILLEGALLY PRODUCED alcohol that hadn't been taxed by the Feds. The fact of no Fed tax was what made it illegal.

UT cannot Constitutionally prevent me from bringing a beer into its state. The US Supremes decided this a while ago under the Commerce Clause. Perhaps the Gov of Utah and the Utah police enforce that law, but if anyone wanted to take it to the US Supremes, UT would find itself at the short end of the stick.
post #24 of 44
show me the dotted line Altaskier
post #25 of 44
Hey - I'm heading down to SLC in 9 days and my suitcase will be full of Washington and Oregon wine for my wine deprived friends down there. Yum, yum.......
post #26 of 44
TR, There will be no contracts issued for running of the juice (no paper trails if we get some heat), only the ones out on the competitors!

Snack, coming to Utah ehh? What can we do to make sure that you have a good time while you are here? I'll let God know when I see him on the chair this weekend that Alta needs a dump, we have visitors coming! Karl Malone says that Karl Malone wants Sugar Snack to have a good time while in Utah.
post #27 of 44
I think you know some people who have actually run afoul of the law for doing it.

Hey, I missed that part, Woodsy. I'll ask E&M about that.

Re the constitutionality of the UT anti-import law -- can anyone say Dean Milk v Madison?
post #28 of 44
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Utah49:
sphrrt just wants a date with the St Provo Girl. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let me just quote what they put on the poster (with a very nice picture BTW), "I may be from Provo, but I'm no Saint." Anyway, even if I did, my wife would kill me. :
post #29 of 44
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gonzostrike:

UT cannot Constitutionally prevent me from bringing a beer into its state. The US Supremes decided this a while ago under the Commerce Clause. Perhaps the Gov of Utah and the Utah police enforce that law, but if anyone wanted to take it to the US Supremes, UT would find itself at the short end of the stick.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not so, Gonzo. The 21st Amendment did more than just repeal the 18th. The right of states to control liquor within their borders is largely unrestricted:

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>"The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited." U.S. Const., Amdt. 21, § 2.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

According to the supremes:

44 Liquormart v. Rhode Island
517 U.S. 484, 514-15 (1996)

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>"From 1919 until 1933, the Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution totally prohibited "the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors" in the United States and its territories. Section 1 of the Twenty-first Amendment repealed that prohibition, and § 2 delegated to the several States the power to prohibit commerce in, or the use of, alcoholic beverages. The States' regulatory power over this segment of commerce is therefore largely "unfettered by the Commerce Clause." Ziffrin, Inc. v. Reeves, 308 U.S. 132, 138 (1939).

As is clear, the text of the Twenty-first Amendment supports the view that, while it grants the States authority over commerce that might otherwise be reserved to the Federal Government, it places no limit whatsoever on other constitutional provisions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FWIW, the Court has (and did in the 44 case) begun whittling back on the states' latitude - mostly in the area of advertising. The Court of Appeals that governs Utah's federal courts (the 10th) recently struck down a Utah liquor advertising law in Utah Licensed Beverage Ass'n v. Leavitt, 256 F.3d 1061 (10th Cir. 2001).

That said, I for one think they should at least require the Utah liquor laws to be less byzantine - it's very confusing - I just can't figure out what and where I can drink and what I have to do to get a drink - provate club, lounge, bar, etc. Drives me nuts. I'm sure it'll make the olympics interesting. Fortunately - I have always found the locals willing to explain the ground rules for the particular location.

I have been known to bring a few Shiners up to our friends expatriates from Texas. Never in payment for ski lodging, of course, but it helped keep us in welcomed guest status.

raubin

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 07, 2002 06:39 PM: Message edited 1 time, by raubin ]</font>
post #30 of 44
Raubin, a different tack, and one that I think would be successful -

By not allowing folks of legal drinking age to bring to Utah for consumption the LEGAL alcoholic drink of choice, Utah is regulating conduct outside its borders. This is illegal and, even considering the precedent you cited, unConstitutional.

It's no different from saying to those who take regular prescriptions,

"You can continue taking your prescription while in Utah, but you must leave your own supply at home, and bring a written prescription to be filled by our pharmacies within Utah."

It's no different from Dean Milk. I don't think it has a compelling state interest in preventing better quality beer from making its way into the state.

I think that nobody's bothered to challenge it because it has no big economic impact on the individual visitor.
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