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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hi All!

 

I have been demoing skis the past few weeks and have some questions, hope you can help!

 

I am 5'9 / 175, expert skier and ski everything like moguls (for better or for worse) - i.e. very short turning radius, quick turns with focus on form rather than just going fast.  I have historically just skied a regular rental ski and always skied around a 160 cm.

 

Two weekends ago I tried the Nordica NRGY 80 at 161cm - which I really liked, very light, but felt slightly short - apparently they ski about 8cm short.  This weekend, the demo place to me to stop worrying about length and gave me a Blizzard Latgio 171cm.

 

Either I have lost all my skiing ability or the ski length threw me off - it was as if I literally couldn't ski!  I had a lot of trouble sticking and making turns.  I felt completely out of sorts, had no form at all - it was literally as if I had never skied before!

 

I am wondering is this just the skis, particularly given my form I apparently prefer a shorter ski, smaller radius.  Maybe I should try the NRGY 80's in a 169, which should ski close to the 160 I am used to?

 

Would love any thoughts / help - just want to make sure I am not insane / haven't lost my ability to ski!!!

post #2 of 11
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Originally Posted by rogersrun View Post
 

Hi All!

 

I have been demoing skis the past few weeks and have some questions, hope you can help!

 

I am 5'9 / 175, expert skier and ski everything like moguls (for better or for worse) - i.e. very short turning radius, quick turns with focus on form rather than just going fast.  I have historically just skied a regular rental ski and always skied around a 160 cm.

 

Two weekends ago I tried the Nordica NRGY 80 at 161cm - which I really liked, very light, but felt slightly short - apparently they ski about 8cm short.  This weekend, the demo place to me to stop worrying about length and gave me a Blizzard Latgio 171cm.

 

Either I have lost all my skiing ability or the ski length threw me off - it was as if I literally couldn't ski!  I had a lot of trouble sticking and making turns.  I felt completely out of sorts, had no form at all - it was literally as if I had never skied before!

 

I am wondering is this just the skis, particularly given my form I apparently prefer a shorter ski, smaller radius.  Maybe I should try the NRGY 80's in a 169, which should ski close to the 160 I am used to?

 

Would love any thoughts / help - just want to make sure I am not insane / haven't lost my ability to ski!!!



What is your height/weight?  How many days do you ski a year, what are you currently on?  

A 171 Latigo isn't a noodle but not burly either.  A little more details on your background would be helpful.

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

Height is 5 Feet 9 and weight is 175.

Ski 10-15 days per year 50-60% out west and the remainder in Northeast.

 

For better or for worse, form is very much super short turns, knees always together, as if skiing zipper line moguls no matter what the terrain (vs. bigger slalom like turns).  Focused on skiing moguls a lot.  Go fast, but focused more on form, in control rather than just straight speed.

 

May have just been psychological - but I felt 10x better on the NRGY 80 161, despite feeling slightly short, than on the Latigo 171.  It was like an out of body experience, had difficult making turns, as if I couldn't ski!

 

Perhaps I just prefer a short ski?  Maybe I should try the NRGY 80 - 169?

post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 

Also, I have historically just skied a typical rental ski (limited rocker) always at 160.

post #5 of 11

I'll hazard a guess, but it's just a guess. 

 

Given that the typical rental is pretty floppy and forgiving and not known for having tenacious edge grip, and given that the typical good mogul skiing is done slipping the edges in a turn that is built upon a short radius pivoted turn, it could be that the ski and the ski's tune that you tried is too stiff and unforgiving and was doing too good a job of engaging its edges, a characteristic that is desirable in a hard charging ski, but not in a ski used for skiing moguls, and a characteristic that is much different than what you are used to.  

 

It could also be that you weren't able to figure out the rocker profile which behaves a bit differently than what you are used to.

post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks!

Do you have any suggestions on going forward?  Should I look to a NRGY 80 169?  Should I stick to a shorter ski.

Or should I just get better at skiing :)?

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

post #7 of 11

Boots are the most important part.

 

Get a good fitting pair of boots from a recommended boot fitter. Tell us where you ski and live.

 

Then demo the NRGY 80 in 169cm and take a lesson on them.

 

FWIW, I didn't care for some of the Blizzards lately either, but I'm Volkl guy.

post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 

Just got a brand new pair, custom fit with a great boot fitter - was the second time skiing on them.

Interestingly, my toes were going numb and went back to the fitter during the day, he said he felt like because of the length of the ski I wasn't flexing forward enough, because the same effect didn't happen with the shorter ski.

post #9 of 11

Where to go from here depends on what you want.

 

What is the best ski for you to get depends on what you want AND where you are going to ski most, what hill (vertical drop, steepness, typical snow conditions and variety of runs) as in what type of terrain (groomers, untouched snow, moguls, boiler plate mixed with ice, etc.)

 

With enough skill you should be able to figure out what you need to do to make any ski work for you at it's best (no matter how skilled you are some skis are better at some things and worse at others), and you don't have that skill.  So yes a lesson from a good instructor is good advice.

 

If you ski mostly moguls and are happy with with that, you should be on a ski that is softer than most and not as demanding.  That ski will not be the best at making high performance turns on groomed runs, nor will it teach you.  

 

If you want to learn how to carve high performance turns on groomed runs, then you need something with some stiffness and the best teacher and performer will be narrow with traditional camber. 

 

You may want something in between the two above extremes. 

 

Length depends on type of ski.  At your weight you should be between 160 and 170 cm on a 13-15 m carving ski and somewhere around 180 on a GS (18 m or longer) radius ski.

 

Groomers and moguls favour narrow ski; untracked and lighter snow favour wider.

post #10 of 11
If you favor quick turns and bumps over speed and digging trenches your boot fitter is probably on to something.  You simply aren't engaging the tips with lots of toe and tongue pressure to dig arcs like you would making train tracks on groomers.  When you are on a longer ski and engaging the tips vs. swiveling through bumps you should have your hands further forward and a lot more weight on the front of the ski.  It may feel un-natural or like you are going to go over the bars at first, but it will click.

At your height/weight you shouldn't have a problem with a 168-171cm ski.  But if moguls are your thing, certainly buy what works for you.  
post #11 of 11

"5'9 / 175, expert skier"

 

You should be fine on the Latigo 170 or maybe even the 177.  Could those have had either a poor tune or the bindings mounted in a location that wasn't optimal?

 

Absolute ski length tells us little.  The shortest ski in any line is the softest for the lightest, slowest, lowest energy skier.  The longest in that line is the stiffest made for the strongest, fastest, highest energy skier.  The ski needs to respond to the energy the skier puts into it.  I'm 6', 180#, very good skier, and I've found good skiing on the next-to-longest in the ski lines I pick, whatever the cm length turns out to be.

 

"very short turning radius, quick turns"

Look for a narrower ski and 12 or 13 meter sidecut.  A 66 or 68 mm width will be great for you, maybe as much as 76 mm.  The Latigo 170 has a 17 m sidecut, and that alone slows its turning.

 

Did you know that both Nordica and Blizzard are brands from Tecnica? 

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