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post #1 of 15
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I picked up an almost new pair or Stockli Laser AX's to use for my firm days. I personally haven't de-tuned any of my skis tips or tails since my Teal Rossi 4sk's.

 

Apparently the previous owner of the  AX's had the tips and tails (contact point forward and aft) severely de-tuned.

 

Should I not worry about this, or is there a way to bring them back? 

post #2 of 15
Short of stone grind? I don't think so. Jacques does his "long bevel" thing. I'd call it an extended bevel. I think the net result is somewhat less base taken off and you have to do it yourself. I'm sure he'll be posting shortly with the video. Most would not worry about it because of the work. I'd worry about it for two inches forward and aft of the contact point, but that's me. I'd have a slightly increased bevel there anyway, but still sharp.
post #3 of 15
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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post
 

I picked up an almost new pair or Stockli Laser AX's to use for my firm days. I personally haven't de-tuned any of my skis tips or tails since my Teal Rossi 4sk's.

 

Apparently the previous owner of the  AX's had the tips and tails (contact point forward and aft) severely de-tuned.

 

Should I not worry about this, or is there a way to bring them back? 


Don't worry about that.  Beyond the "contact point" is fine.  I do that to most skis.  Never had anyone complain or an issue.  I detune anything tips an tails after the widest point of the ski.  For some skis that is just a few inches of shovel.  For All Mt. and Powder skis it might be a fairly long section of reverse side cut on those.
Look here.  https://youtu.be/N_aWiX_fekI?t=1h30m28s

post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Short of stone grind? I don't think so. Jacques does his "long bevel" thing. I'd call it an extended bevel. I think the net result is somewhat less base taken off and you have to do it yourself. I'm sure he'll be posting shortly with the video. Most would not worry about it because of the work. I'd worry about it for two inches forward and aft of the contact point, but that's me. I'd have a slightly increased bevel there anyway, but still sharp.


BTW I do a "long" base bevel in preparation to flatten the base with a steel scraper.

Then I do it for a park ski, or to make a ski more "playful".   Then again if one uses high edge angles in their skiing a tiny bit of long base bevel is no issue.  It can be an issue for folks that want a ski to respond to a very slight tilt.  These tend to be older guys that just don't get high edge angles during their skiing.  These folks like a flat base and no long base bevels. 
A longer base bevel can be very fun to ski!  Check it out in 57 seconds!

post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 


BTW I do a "long" base bevel in preparation to flatten the base with a steel scraper.

Then I do it for a park ski, or to make a ski more "playful".   Then again if one uses high edge angles in their skiing a tiny bit of long base bevel is no issue.  It can be an issue for folks that want a ski to respond to a very slight tilt.  These tend to be older guys that just don't get high edge angles during their skiing.  So that's why WC Slalom Racers use 0-.5 base bevel :ROTF These folks like a flat base and no long base bevels. 
A longer base bevel can be very fun to ski!  Check it out in 57 seconds!

post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 


BTW I do a "long" base bevel in preparation to flatten the base with a steel scraper.

Then I do it for a park ski, or to make a ski more "playful".   Then again if one uses high edge angles in their skiing a tiny bit of long base bevel is no issue.  It can be an issue for folks that want a ski to respond to a very slight tilt.  These tend to be older guys that just don't get high edge angles during their skiing.  So that's why WC Slalom Racers use 0-.5 base bevel :ROTF These folks like a flat base and no long base bevels. 
A longer base bevel can be very fun to ski!  Check it out in 57 seconds!


Ha ha ha!  So what's your point?  WC slalom skiers and low edge angle skiers have things in common?  I would agree.   :beercheer:

post #7 of 15

I suppose a question remains if a sharp edged but obtuse edge is equal to a dubbed off tip and tail edge.

 

I'll put my trust in the sharp edge!  "Numb" has never been a favored feeling for me.

post #8 of 15

Spin to win and fart bags are just enough to set ones mind to question the eccentricity of the contribution.  ;-)

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Originally Posted by Cgrandy View Post
 

Spin to win and fart bags are just enough to set ones mind to question the eccentricity of the contribution.  ;-)


Much love for humor!   I just do my best to be helpful.  Like who else make a 5 hour and 24 minute park tune ski video!
 

I think I might have to make one with one of these!  Take like 15 minutes!


 

post #10 of 15

:-))

post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by Cgrandy View Post
 

:-))


No joke.  About the grinder.  Look at this!  https://youtu.be/D4Mn40NCpTs?t=18s

Stumbled on to this.  It was the grinder all along!

post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post
 

I picked up an almost new pair or Stockli Laser AX's to use for my firm days. I personally haven't de-tuned any of my skis tips or tails since my Teal Rossi 4sk's.

 

Apparently the previous owner of the  AX's had the tips and tails (contact point forward and aft) severely de-tuned.

 

Should I not worry about this, or is there a way to bring them back? 


If you DIY tuning, that will tune out of time. Don't make any big changes. Or have them stone ground.

post #13 of 15

You want the edges of the shovel forward of the contact point rounded.  You do not want these to grab the sides of an icy rut and jerk you around.  You want all the edge in contact with the snow sharp.

post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
 

You want the edges of the shovel forward of the contact point rounded.  You do not want these to grab the sides of an icy rut and jerk you around.  You want all the edge in contact with the snow sharp.


I'll second that motion!

post #15 of 15
Mine are sharp, but with more (slightly more) bevel between the contact point and the tip. Never hooked an edge.
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