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post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post

The issue here is real on the griffons and can confirm.  With smaller BSL which means higher DINs You can search and find similar threads.  There is something to do with the geometry of the heel pivot catching on shorter boot too.

Yes, could very well be. And I was wrong in my post way above - my BSL is actually 323.

No issues for me at a DIN of 10, but at 6'3" and 195 lbs, I can put some weight and leverage into the entry.

Haven't tried to put them on in bottomless powder yet, but yes, I imagine it could be a bitch. Of course, putting on bindings in bottomless powder is always a bitch.

Just thinking out loud, but I wonder if the Royal heelpiece might actually be an advantage in that situation? It's long enough that you could probably grab it to pull up and help lever the boot in? I've had to do that on other bindings, without much to grab onto. Just trying to see a silver lining here... smile.gif
post #32 of 51
My son and I both use marker jester bindings, are they harder to get into than others yes, but I have no problem. My son only weights 107lb and has no problem stepping into his skis.
post #33 of 51

Not just Marker. From the Salomon technical manual.

 

"With the boot in the binding (closed position), turn the Forward Pressure
Adjustment Screw either clockwise or counter-clockwise, until the top of the
screw head aligns with the back of the heel track (Fig. H) or heel housing"
 

This is for models with screw adjustment. Tab models require the boot to be out of the binding.

post #34 of 51

I had to walk down a ways in some powder to find a spot to step into my Griffons the other day.

post #35 of 51

It seems like the Marker Griffons have gained a reputation.  If you're not as strong or heavy, and you require a high DIN setting, or you need to clip in on deeper powder, this is probably not your first binding choice.  The Attack 13 clips in so easy it's almost ridiculous.  Tyrolia makes a great binding and is every bit as good imo for the same price or even a few dollars less.  You're paying for the Marker name imo.

post #36 of 51

I have a pair of Marker bindings and they were really tough to step into. I really had to throw my weight into it to get it to click. 150lbs, 280 boot sole length. After about 20 days on the snow, they seem to have broken in and feel about the same to step into as other bindings I've encountered.

post #37 of 51
Do you think there is any correlation between difficult to step into and not releasing? I have been skiing on Kendos with Griffons for two years now and have never released. Now I have also not taken any bad falls on these yet but still makes me wonder. I should probably bring them to a shop and test, but probably not the shop that set them?
post #38 of 51
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Originally Posted by akaplan9 View Post

Do you think there is any correlation between difficult to step into and not releasing? I have been skiing on Kendos with Griffons for two years now and have never released. Now I have also not taken any bad falls on these yet but still makes me wonder. I should probably bring them to a shop and test, but probably not the shop that set them?


It's a good idea to get bindings release-tested from time to time, but, if you haven't broken a leg, there's no reason to assume your bindings are bad. You may not have taken a fall that would have released a properly set binding. In fact, I'd wager you haven't.

post #39 of 51
I am leaning the same way...speaking of which the one incident which has me questioning this is I was on the magic carpet with my son and he accidentally fell back into me and all my weight was leaning backwards and my boots held...I thought for sure I was going to fall back but I was able to push back up from my shin weight on the back of the boot..thoughts?!
post #40 of 51
Correction, calf not shin
post #41 of 51
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Originally Posted by akaplan9 View Post

I am leaning the same way...speaking of which the one incident which has me questioning this is I was on the magic carpet with my son and he accidentally fell back into me and all my weight was leaning backwards and my boots held...I thought for sure I was going to fall back but I was able to push back up from my shin weight on the back of the boot..thoughts?!

 

 

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Originally Posted by akaplan9 View Post

Correction, calf not shin

Nothing unusual with that.  Toes don't release upwards.

 

For all of you having trouble getting into any binding in powder--not just Griffons--with the ski uphill of you and across the fall line, stick the tail of the ski into the snow at about a 45 degree angle, place your boot in the binding, and lift up on the heel piece while you apply pressure with your foot.  

post #42 of 51
Aha, I will have to try that, thanks to all for the feedback
post #43 of 51
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Originally Posted by akaplan9 View Post

I am leaning the same way...speaking of which the one incident which has me questioning this is I was on the magic carpet with my son and he accidentally fell back into me and all my weight was leaning backwards and my boots held...I thought for sure I was going to fall back but I was able to push back up from my shin weight on the back of the boot..thoughts?!

 

I'm no binding expert. Do your bindings have a vertical release toe? I may have read that Markers do have that release, but it's not universal. In any case, your son's falling against you may not have been enough to release an vertical toe binding — again, you didn't break anything.  If you're worried at all, though, it can't hurt (except your wallet) to get a release test.

post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 lift up on the heel piece while you apply pressure with your foot.  

 

My wife had to do that with her KBs — or one of them — all the time.

post #45 of 51
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Originally Posted by akaplan9 View Post

Do you think there is any correlation between difficult to step into and not releasing? I have been skiing on Kendos with Griffons for two years now and have never released. Now I have also not taken any bad falls on these yet but still makes me wonder. I should probably bring them to a shop and test, but probably not the shop that set them?

 

DIN likely matters. I took a massive spill with my Griffons (also mounted on Kendos) and had the binding come apart. Posted here about it.

http://www.epicski.com/t/148687/marker-griffon-heel-piece-sliding-off-plate

post #46 of 51
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Originally Posted by akaplan9 View Post

Do you think there is any correlation between difficult to step into and not releasing? I have been skiing on Kendos with Griffons for two years now and have never released. Now I have also not taken any bad falls on these yet but still makes me wonder. I should probably bring them to a shop and test, but probably not the shop that set them?


Have them tested, that's the first step.

 

What is your DIN setting ?

 

I'm at 9.5, I found that a little stomp motion helps in stepping into the binding. A friends wife, small women has a tough time with her new Griffons sometimes.

post #47 of 51
Din is 8 and I will have them tested for peace of mind, thanks
post #48 of 51

I may be a bit late to the discussion, but I found a way to help this issue.  I just made sure the heel was cocked back as far as it could go so that the top of the heel cylinder touched the ski.  My experience was that if the heel was all the way cocked, the boot went in.  If not all the way down, it seemed that the distance was too short.  I know it sure helped me.  I hope it works for you!

Hawk

post #49 of 51

I'm pretty sure all of us cock the heel as far as it will go. I know I am. My griffon heels won't go beyond about a half an inch above the top sheet.

post #50 of 51

Yes. If the heel isn't open, no amount of stomping and cursing will get your boot in there.

post #51 of 51
Well for me the concern is getting out not in...but then I have had no issues and problem better problem than a pre-release going 30-40
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