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post #1 of 14
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I'm planning a ski trip to Solden in February and need a bit of advice for our last day. We are flying out of Munich at noon on a Monday. The plan for the Sunday is to ski somewhere closer to Munich, stay overnight and then drive to the airport in the morning. 

 

Anyone familiar with some of the smaller resorts south of Munich? Spitzingsee - Tegernsee? Oberaudorf? I'm not expecting it to match Solden but would like a decent place to ski and hang out that evening. We are four males. Not big partiers but we enjoy our apres ski.

 

 

 

 

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post #2 of 14

I'd say don't limit yourself too much.  The nature of the autobahn and its proximity to certain resorts actually opens up your options a bit more I think.  For instance, just using Google, drive time from Tegernsee to the Munich airport is about an hour.  Kitzbuhel is 1hr 45mins.  Garmisch is 1hr 20mins.  So, depending on your motivation and comfort zone, you can probably ski Kitz or Garmisch without too much sacrifice.  The nice thing about Kitz is the town is right at the bottom of the lift, literally.  The original, authentic ski town!  There is also Koessen, Brixtal, Steinplatte, St Johan around there, in Austria.  All under 1hr 45mins drive time.

 

If you want closer I'd go Bayerischzell, it's a fairly big resort.  Lots of variety. 

 

Generally, Austrians are more inclined to make snow..it's a priority.  Germany tends to be a bit more "green" and relies more on natural snow.  So in an iffy year, you're better off in Austria. 

 

Personally, if you haven't been to Kitz and the conditions are decent, I'd bite the bullet and go there.  Wake up an hour earlier and enjoy the drive.

 

Oh, and the drive into Munich can be painful if the rush hour is bad.  Unfortunately they moved the airport further NE of Munich and it adds 20 mins to the drive.  Ah well. 

post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 

We're a bit nervous about traffic and weather and making our flight so not sure about being 1hr45 away. Still, Kitzbuhel is tempting.

 

I've been to Sudelfeld in Bayerischzell before. The hill was great and I really enjoyed the town too. There's one bar in town and everyone goes there. Really friendly. But... I know their snow can be iffy and this season has not started out well.

 

Thanks for the feedback. Mulling it over.

post #4 of 14
@ami in berlin gave a good rundown of resorts in that area in this thead http://www.epicski.com/t/148294/ski-board-from-nuremberg#post_2038725. It's definitely worth a read.
post #5 of 14
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We're a bit nervous about traffic and weather and making our flight so not sure about being 1hr45 away. Still, Kitzbuhel is tempting.

I've been to Sudelfeld in Bayerischzell before. The hill was great and I really enjoyed the town too. There's one bar in town and everyone goes there. Really friendly. But... I know their snow can be iffy and this season has not started out well.

Thanks for the feedback. Mulling it over.

If you're still driving back to Munich that night, what's the issue being an extra 30-60 min out? You can always bail if they're calling for an epic storm. But once out of the mountains, I wouldn't think they get many road closing storms out there anyways.
post #6 of 14
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If you're still driving back to Munich that night, what's the issue being an extra 30-60 min out? You can always bail if they're calling for an epic storm. But once out of the mountains, I wouldn't think they get many road closing storms out there anyways.


Yeah..generally fog near the foothills.  And there hasn't been a lot of snow this year.  My bro does the Salzburg-Munich autobahn every day and there are a few hills that cause problems..Teisenberg south of Rosenheim, north of Berchtesdaden..and a hill just near Rosenheim.  But mostly it's what you'd expect a superhighway to be.  :D

 

I've skied over there a fair bit and the things that stick in my mind are that there are a lot of mostly terrible holiday skiers during weekends and holidays.  And if you're an advanced or expert skier, you have a lot of tough terrain all to yourself mostly.  I had some incredible open runs all to myself at Kitz..the blues were packed..the reds were ok but the blacks were empty.  I went down the half of the Hahnenkamm race course by myself.  There were one or two people making a hash of the steilhang but that was about it.

post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 

Actually, we're thinking of skiing Sunday, staying at or near the hill that night and then driving in morning to the airport. 

 

You are right about the holiday skiers. First time I was in Austria (Hintertux), I had the off piste pretty much to myself after a big dump. The resort was crowded but everyone stayed on the groomed trails. The only downside was the rocks aplenty, even with all the snow. 

post #8 of 14

It's snowed a lot the last couple days, and should continue to do so this week. So conditions are rapidly improving.

 

If your plan is driving to the airport Monday morning, then yes traffic will be an issue (although Sunday afternoon can be a nightmare as well as people drive back from the mountains). So I get your point of staying as close in to Munich as possible. As you plan to ski Sunday, you also need to consider the weekend crowds in your decision.

 

Of the places you mentioned, forget Oberaudorf. It's a small beginners hill. Spitzensee is similar to Sudelfeld (were you say you have skied before) but a little more interesting. However it also gets much more crowded than Sudelfeld as it is ever so slightly closer to Munich.

 

You don't say what kind of skiing you like, but you did mention off piste skiing, so if conditions are good I would highly recommend Wendelstein (the other mountain in Bayrischzell). It's a real gem, and it is never ever crowded. You can also stay in Brannenberg instead of Bayrischzell, which is easier to access from the autobahn (although that means not staying in Bayrischzell, which would be a pity).

 

Garmisch is generally rammed on the weekend, but if you go in that direction Lermoos just on the Austrian side of the border is great for a day and usually much less crowded. You could ski there for the day and stay the night in Garmisch.

 

Kampenwand in Aschau would also be a good option.

 

If you want to ski off piste exclusively, Laber in Oberammergau and Karwendel in Mittenwald are epic in the right conditions. Both towns are also very charming.

 

I guess the "one bar in town" in Bayrischzell is the Sport Alm? There is another next to the train station now that is also great. Incredibly friendly owner and nice group of regulars.

 

Honestly, since you will be staying overnight on a Sunday and therefore should not have any problems getting accommodation, I would wait until the last minute and chose based on conditions. No new show: Lermoos or Sudelfeld. Powder: Wendelstein, Kampenwand, Laber or Karwendel. I personally would not ski Spitzensee or Garmisch on a Sunday.

post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 

We are in our 50s and still all very good skiers but we are well past "expert" level. We mostly ski groomers but like to venture off piste if the snow is good.

 

Great advice. Garmisch is out for sure. Since we are skiing Soelden and Ischgl, we will have plenty of big resort days so a small resort will be a nice change of pace. I remember seeing Wendelstein from the highway and have really wanted to ski there. I think we will book rooms in Bayrischzell and either ski Sudelfeld or Wendelstein. I also recall some hills near the highway where people hiked from the side of the road. Those looked like fun.

 

Sport Alm is indeed the place I was thinking of. I did not know there was a second bar in town. We'll have to check it out.

 

Regarding accomodation, we I stayed at Alpenrose but are there any other hotels you would recommend? The only problem with Alpenrose is the lack of twin beds. We are four guys and would prefer twin beds.

 

Thanks for the great advice. 

post #10 of 14

​I love Bayrischzell, so I fully endorse that choice. In fact, shoot me a PM with when you plan to be there and I might think about coming down for the weekend. Late Feb likely works well for me.

 

​In all likelihood the hills you saw people hiking / skinning from the highway is the backside of the Wendelstein (assuming you mean the highway that Sudelfeld is on). You can ski from the top of Wendelstein down to Sudelfeld, and there was a plan some years ago to link the two areas with lifts. It fell apart due to the local farmers making things difficult, and actually I'm glad because otherwise Wendelstein would see a lot more traffic.

 

I haven't stayed at Alpenrose. My go-to place is Gästehaus Charlotte. It is a small family place (the family lives in the same building) with clean rooms that don't seem to have been upgraded in about 40 years. It's cheap and friendly; I've gotten a single room with breakfast for about €40. It's also directly across the street from the Sport Alm. Hotel Königslinde is in better shape and also friendly but a bit more expensive. It's very close to the Alpenrose. Haus Sonnenblick is cheap and also fine but up a steep hill a little outside of the town center. I'd just check booking.com and see what fits your needs / price. I have not had a bad experience anywhere. If you really want to dirtbag it, Pension Vogelsang has bunk beds in the basement for about €20.

 

The other bar (Ponyhof) is in a small building between the Alpenrose and the train station (used to be a newspaper shop). It just opened a couple years ago, so that might be why you missed it. There is also a small (meaning 3 tables) weinstube called Peterhof that feels like something straight out of Twin Peaks, but it's opening times are rather erratic. Well worth a visit if it is open, though.

post #11 of 14

Garmisch Classic & the Zugspitze regions are really not that big, but I enjoy them nonetheless.

If you don't want to do G-P for skiing,  consider Seefeld Austria.

When coming back from Ischgl , you can get to G-P via Innsbruck and drive through Seefeld.

Great little town, just a few lifts, nice restaurants, etc.

 

https://www.google.ca/#q=seefeld+austria

 

If you go to G-P, my 2 favourite restaurants are Wildschutz & Mukkefuck ( not a typo, I think its a very old slang word for imitation-coffee )

Be sure to book a reservation at either.

 

My crew of guys are off to Ischgl/St.Antom/Serfaus Austria next month and we always flew to Munich

We will dine our first night at the Wildschutz, after having lunch in Munich at one of the beer halls.

I can taste the pork hocks on the spit already !!!  Mmmm ... good times !

 

We just LOVE the on-mountain ski experience ( food, drinks, apres-ski ) in Europe vs the typical North American offerings.

 

 

 

~ Andy

post #12 of 14

I had great birthday dinner at Wildschütz 9 years ago (venison steak). But in subsequent visits the quality seemed to have declined quite a bit. Then the during my last visit to Garmisch (two years ago), I told the lady who owns the pension we were staying at that we was planning on having dinner there, and she raised an eyebrow. Honestly it's a place for the tourists now. There are better restaurants (even in the same street) in Garmisch. Koch's (next door) is significantly better, although to be fair also considerably more expensive.

 

In Garmisch I'll usually get a burger at the Local Cure or a take-out pizza to eat at the Irish Pub. There are better places for a typical Bavarian meal. If you want dinner, stop in Oberammergau instead and eat at Gasthof zur Rose.

 

I've only done cross-country in Seefeld. How is the downhill? I've heard the mountain has some good stashes if you know where to look.

post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ARL67 View Post
 

Garmisch Classic & the Zugspitze regions are really not that big, but I enjoy them nonetheless.

If you don't want to do G-P for skiing,  consider Seefeld Austria.

When coming back from Ischgl , you can get to G-P via Innsbruck and drive through Seefeld.

Great little town, just a few lifts, nice restaurants, etc.

 

https://www.google.ca/#q=seefeld+austria

 

If you go to G-P, my 2 favourite restaurants are Wildschutz & Mukkefuck ( not a typo, I think its a very old slang word for imitation-coffee )

Be sure to book a reservation at either.

 

My crew of guys are off to Ischgl/St.Antom/Serfaus Austria next month and we always flew to Munich

We will dine our first night at the Wildschutz, after having lunch in Munich at one of the beer halls.

I can taste the pork hocks on the spit already !!!  Mmmm ... good times !

 

We just LOVE the on-mountain ski experience ( food, drinks, apres-ski ) in Europe vs the typical North American offerings.

 

 

 

~ Andy

Andy:

 

My buddies and I are from the Toronto area. We'll be in Ischgl from Jan. 27 to Feb. 3. Just in case our trips overlap, we could have a Canada Night. Our group used to go to various resorts in North America but after one trip to Austria 5 years ago, we are now hooked on the European experience. 

 

I'm looking forward to the pork as well but I'm sure by the third day, I'll be craving a salad.

post #14 of 14

We are flying out of Toronto Fri Feb 3 so will miss you guys.

Otherwise we'd be most happy to hook up and share some good times at the Kuhstall in Ischgl

 

... craving salad  ??? ...  that is blasphemous ... have yourself some more pork hocks on the spit !!!

I'm also a fan of the liver dumpling soup -> I have it anywhere I see it on the menu as every place makes it different -> Hey, both my parents are Austrian so I grew up on that stuff. 

 

Next season my guys are planning to go to Val Gardena and skl the La Sella Ronda area.

We hear the food in Italy is damn good too.

We're not sure if our "ski" trips are about skiing comes first, or if eating comes first ... could be a toss-up :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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