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Swix LF 8 question

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Just recently received some Swix LF 8 wax.

Have a leftover block of Dominator Hyperzoom flouro all temp wax.

Can I mix the 2 to stretch the pricey LF 8? If so suggestions on blending? Main concern I note is lowerby 30 degree wax temp for hyperzoom?

Thoughts wax gurus?
post #2 of 13
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Sorry LF 7 is what I have!
post #3 of 13

I'm not familiar with Dominator Hyperzoom (or pretty much any Dominator waxes), but if it's "normal" wax like Swix LF7 is, then you can mix. You can actually mix any wax, even normal CH waxes with HF waxes, but most of time it's no use to do something like this, even though there are times when weird combos work really good. In general there's no problem mixing waxes from different manufacturers, even though they never suggest you to do this, as everyone prefer only their own waxes and combinations between them not waxes from competitor mixed with their stuff. But problem for normal mortals is, you simply have no chance to figure out all combinations that work, and eliminate 90% of combinations, that don't work, as A. it's too expensive, B. you don't have chances to conduct proper testing and C. it simply takes way too much time to figure this things out. So for non racing stuff, try to keep it as simple as possible, and for high end racing, you won't be asking questions here anyway :)

So as someone who did 1000s of ski and wax tests, I would suggest you to use just plain LF7.

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Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post

Just recently received some Swix LF 8 wax.

Have a leftover block of Dominator Hyperzoom flouro all temp wax.

Can I mix the 2 to stretch the pricey LF 8? If so suggestions on blending? Main concern I note is lowerby 30 degree wax temp for hyperzoom?

Thoughts wax gurus?


Sure you can mix them and use the lower iron temperature.  Swix iron temps are way high.  They will still work with a 240 F iron temp.  Just take a bit more time with the iron.  Max temp. for Dominator is 250 F because above that is a huge risk of sealing your base plastic. 

That said, not sure what you will gain.  The LF 7 will run in about the same end of the cold being 18F snow temp. The Zoom is good to 14 F.  Don't worry about using one, then the other later.  They will conglomerate in the base anyway.

Good luck and don't worry.

post #5 of 13

I have never tried this with the two specific waxes you are asking about, but I'll throw out a couple general observations. Zoom is a good tool to extend the warm capability of other waxes, but not so much on the cold end and especially not for new, dry snow. I'm not sure what hyper zoom is, but I think it is low fluoro, and I think Dominator's low is lower than Swix's low, with Swix's low being comparable to Dominator medium. Dominator used to publish the fluoro concentration in all its waxes, but I can't find that information right now. That said, Zoom is a 14-30f wax and LF7 is 18-28f.

 

Dominator HyperZoom is $50 for 100 grams and LF7 is $55 for 180 grams.

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Originally Posted by bigreen505 View Post
 

I have never tried this with the two specific waxes you are asking about, but I'll throw out a couple general observations. Zoom is a good tool to extend the warm capability of other waxes, but not so much on the cold end and especially not for new, dry snow. I'm not sure what hyper zoom is, but I think it is low fluoro, and I think Dominator's low is lower than Swix's low, with Swix's low being comparable to Dominator medium. Dominator used to publish the fluoro concentration in all its waxes, but I can't find that information right now. That said, Zoom is a 14-30f wax and LF7 is 18-28f.

 

Dominator HyperZoom is $50 for 100 grams and LF7 is $55 for 180 grams.


Well, that should answer your question.  Dominator LF waxes have more fluoro than Swix.   Or at least a working amount, not just a LF title.

Dominator Graphite Zoom kills it in cold dry conditions.  It's 14 to 32 F for Zoom Series.  18 to 28 for Swix LF7.  You are splitting hairs here.

Extend warm capability?   Mix with softer waxes.  If it is slush use Butter.  Or Race Zoom Old Snow with a Butter overlay.

 

post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post

Well, that should answer your question.  Dominator LF waxes have more fluoro than Swix.   Or at least a working amount, not just a LF title.

Is this backed by facts and published data or just the assumption that more $ equates to more fluoro, across two brands with their own distinct pricing strategies?
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by Dr. Crash View Post

Is this backed by facts and published data or just the assumption that more $ equates to more fluoro, across two brands with their own distinct pricing strategies?

Afaik all wax manufacturers do not publish fluoro content. A quick search reveals some info (see pic), but I can guarantee this does not reflect swixs formulas. Not even close. I would divulge some percentages, but the last time I posted some inside information/criticism- someone on this forum snitched on me.
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post

Well, that should answer your question.  Dominator LF waxes have more fluoro than Swix.   Or at least a working amount, not just a LF title.

Is this backed by facts and published data or just the assumption that more $ equates to more fluoro, across two brands with their own distinct pricing strategies?


Based on usage and my experience.  Although Dominator claims even their LF waxes have enough fluoro to be useful and not just a label.   I have used many waxes and the proof is in the pudding.  Compare side by side for yourself.

 

Ski on!



post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
Good work in this thread guys!

Thanks so much.

Guess I'll just use the good stuff I got and smile smile.gif

Just did up my Volkl Explosiv with Dominator HZ for Friday pow!!

Swix Mb77 LF7 combo was wickit fasst last Friday on the 165 WC SL Racetigers
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post

Good work in this thread guys!

Thanks so much.

Guess I'll just use the good stuff I got and smile smile.gif

Just did up my Volkl Explosiv with Dominator HZ for Friday pow!!

Swix Mb77 LF7 combo was wickit fasst last Friday on the 165 WC SL Racetigers


Hyper Zoom is for wetter snow, but let us know how it goes.  Structure will have much to say as well.   Ye haw and good luck.

post #12 of 13

Swix LF7 is a good all around wax for the winter. I use Swix Moly and LF7 (same melting temps and paraffin hardness) for all of my training. Racing is only when I get into actually picking a temp specific waxes (LF, HF, powders, followed by liquid and solid block).

 

As far as fluoro content in paraffins, it all depends on the manufacturer and what temp range the wax is. For example, green cold LF/HF waxes generally contain less fluoro content than Red or Yellow LF/HF. More fluoro compound doesn't necessarily mean faster skis. Different snow temps, humidity, crystal structure will require a different mix of paraffin hardness, fluoro content, layinging of wax, and ski base structure to get the fastest pair of skis.

 

With iron melting points, don't get too hung up on that. Swix might melt well at 135C while Dominator tells you 125C. But when it finally comes to on-snow testing at -5C, the waxes end up having the same hardness.

 

Lastly, "Sealing" of a base won't happen unless you either A) Don't put enough wax on the ski and the iron is in direct contact with the base, B) You are smoking the iron and have it way too hot, or C) You spend way too much time over one spot on the ski. The iron plate itself should never touch bare sintered base. Use enough wax, keep the iron moving, if you see smoke from the iron turn it down. If you think you've burned your bases, stone grind at a ski shop will solve it.

 

...sorry, way too many years of racing and waxing skis.

post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
I've got MB 77 and LF 7 on the WC Racetiger SL now.

Excellent.
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