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post #31 of 52

I live in the kind of place where people are pretty casual about locking their houses, sheds and vehicles, but I still use the Ski Key locking system at the neighborhood hill. I don't suspect the regulars, but once in a while a roving band of semipro thieves will show up, grab the best unprotected skis and boards they can find, and move on. It's very small resort, so separating your skis, even on a really busy day, isn't very effective. The desperado just spots a lone ski, and if it's worth stealing, checks the rest of the racks for the mate. I'm grateful to people who don't lock up, because their enticing offerings mean even the most basic lock provides all the protection you need.

post #32 of 52
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[snip . . .] but when I worked at Blue Mountain in PA, the theft issue was so bad that they didn't have regular racks out in front of the lodge. They only had a complimentary ski check. So if you were going inside, you checked your skis every time. I'd imagine it's still that way. 

 

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The places I've been in recent years that have free ski and/or bag check include Roundtop and Whitetail in PA, Sunday River in ME, and maybe Big Sky in MT.  Although might have cost a few bucks at Big Sky.

 

In the NC mountains, have heard more stories about stolen snowboards than skis.  Not too many expensive skis around the southeast.  Massanutten has video cameras with prominent signs for a few racks right next to one set of lodge doors, which are mostly used by snowboarders.

 

I have a simple combination cable lock that I travel with.  Don't usually use it for a short break, but may when I am going to leave my skis for a day when renting powder skis.  Depends on where I'm skiing.  Don't worry much at Alta.

post #33 of 52

I painted two of my 3 pairs of skis that no thief would consider taking, not because they don't look cool but rather would stick out like a sore thumb for anyone in the region skiing on them and would never be sellable just for the money.  The third pair are like new and very cool looking though I only ski them on powder days and might lock up if nec.

 

Many ski resorts do not provide ski locks or ski checks either anywhere or not at mountain day lodges.   Or the locks they do provide require going out of the way to a resort base locker section of a day lodge.  Further the common types of metal skeleton ski racks they haul out onto the snow tend to be somewhat difficult to attach ski cable locks to.  I usually ended up only being able to do so at the end posts.  Thus snow sport enthusiasts without otherwise reasonable protection choices have tended to put up with not locking skis and boards while laying them outside day lodges and main lodges simply because it is such a hassle to deal with more securely.   Ideally resorts ought to provide SOME coin operated lockable ski racks near anyplace where their customers are having to leave their skis while using restrooms, going to lunch etc. While most skis or boards are going to have little attraction, new hi end gear in this era is a lot of bucks.    I have read that most larger resorts now, especially have video surveillance of ski rack areas especially if a thief has been active.

 

Do recall a thread here maybe a decade ago condemning those popular ski locks with the thin steel cables because a thief can defeat them with an ordinary pair of diagonal cutters that fit in a pocket.   I have an old combination cable lock with maybe a coiled 1/4 inch diameter steel cable that would take more effort.  In any case the thin cable lock is far better than nothing because I'd expect most thieves are not going to hassle with so many easy picking otherwise.

 

David

post #34 of 52
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... Further the common types of metal skeleton ski racks they haul out onto the snow tend to be somewhat difficult to attach ski cable locks to.  I usually ended up only being able to do so at the end posts.  ...

 

Very true and quite annoying.

post #35 of 52
I got a thicker cable after I came out and my old cable wouldn't retract because someone had attempted to cut it and put a permanent kink in it.
post #36 of 52

I don't lock my skis or my kids' gear (1 snowboard, 1 set of twin tips) but all our stuff is pretty current and a couple weeks ago my son's buddy lost a pair of rental skis (and another pair of rental skis were found right near by -- it was the end of the night so hopefully it was just confusion -- I haven't heard yet how that story ended) but it's got me thinking about it.  I'm less worried at a destination resort than I am when I go to a regional mountain outside of Philadelphia.  Thinking I might get one of those rope locks just keep it chained to the rack and the boys can grab it when they're headed in, same as me.

 

But, what about homeowner's coverage? 

post #37 of 52
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I don't lock my skis or my kids' gear (1 snowboard, 1 set of twin tips) but all our stuff is pretty current and a couple weeks ago my son's buddy lost a pair of rental skis (and another pair of rental skis were found right near by -- it was the end of the night so hopefully it was just confusion -- I haven't heard yet how that story ended) but it's got me thinking about it.  I'm less worried at a destination resort than I am when I go to a regional mountain outside of Philadelphia.  Thinking I might get one of those rope locks just keep it chained to the rack and the boys can grab it when they're headed in, same as me.

 

But, what about homeowner's coverage? 

 

My $1000 delectable won't help much...

 

When I first saw my buddy separate his skis on a busy day here locally I thought it was pretty genius, but will that really stop a motivated thief?   I don't think so.   It might stop a lazy thief though...

post #38 of 52

If a motivated thief had a pair of wire cutters (normal ones, not the bolt cutters) could he cut through one of those rope (cable) locks?

post #39 of 52
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If a motivated thief had a pair of wire cutters (normal ones, not the bolt cutters) could he cut through one of those rope (cable) locks?


Sure..same deal with bikes, right? The thinking is slow him down or make him choose another pair.  Easier target.  But yeah, if someone is motivated, almost anything can be defeated.

post #40 of 52

Someone mentioned ski key locks that I'd never heard of so searched a bit.  Below links to what ski resorts ought to be setting up on their slope areas:

 

http://usa.skikey.com/products/ski-racks

 

https://usa.skikey.com/pages/how-to-use-a-ski-key-lock-with-all-equipment-types

 

These racks are obviously at some resorts though I personally had not yet seen them.  Since a person just needs to carry a key once a ski or board is locked, it is much lighter and smaller versus some cable ski lock.  I already have too much junk in my ski pockets.  Since my ski resort is one of the Vail Epic pass resorts, and after every day I ski they send an email for feedback, am going to suggest they buy some of these racks to put outside at my pass resort that only has the old style metal skeleton racks.  I especially like how they are not a lock for money system.   All resorts ought to have something like this available where people have been leaving their gear unprotected.

 

David

post #41 of 52
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Someone mentioned ski key locks that I'd never heard of so searched a bit.  Below links to what ski resorts ought to be setting up on their slope areas:

 

http://usa.skikey.com/products/ski-racks

 

https://usa.skikey.com/pages/how-to-use-a-ski-key-lock-with-all-equipment-types

 

These racks are obviously at some resorts though I personally had not yet seen them.  Since a person just needs to carry a key once a ski or board is locked, it is much lighter and smaller versus some cable ski lock.  I already have too much junk in my ski pockets.  Since my ski resort is one of the Vail Epic pass resorts, and after every day I ski they send an email for feedback, am going to suggest they buy some of these racks to put outside at my pass resort that only has the old style metal skeleton racks.  I especially like how they are not a lock for money system.   All resorts ought to have something like this available where people have been leaving their gear unprotected.

 

David

 

The Snowtime resorts in Pennsylvania (Whitetail, Roundtop, and Liberty) I believe all have at least a couple of these racks - though not all of them are skikey. Of course, as mentioned above, they also have free ski check almost right next to them, so I've never bothered. 

post #42 of 52
I've learned to take my 3-4 year old skis (that I still really like) and place them on the ski rack, next to someone else's (unlocked) hot new skis.
post #43 of 52
Thread Starter 

It is the professional thieves that I worry about the most. We have had a lot of cabin and full time residences broken into near the mountain and some where done in broad daylight as soon as the owner left his property.

post #44 of 52
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If a motivated thief had a pair of wire cutters (normal ones, not the bolt cutters) could he cut through one of those rope (cable) locks?

 

Probably with a pair of scissors even. Tiny wire cutters would cut through the ski cable locks instantly, it's very thin gauge. The good news is probably 90-95% of skis are unlocked so they don't even bother doing that, just move onto the next pair.

 

Strange that Ski Key locks are not common in the US. I can remember using them as far back as the 90's in western Canada during my racing days.

post #45 of 52
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Probably with a pair of scissors even. Tiny wire cutters would cut through the ski cable locks instantly, it's very thin gauge. The good news is probably 90-95% of skis are unlocked so they don't even bother doing that, just move onto the next pair.

 

Strange that Ski Key locks are not common in the US. I can remember using them as far back as the 90's in western Canada during my racing days.

AFAIK every resort in western Canada has the Ski Key locking racks except Whitewater and Castle but not a surprise as those places are a throw back to the 70's.

post #46 of 52
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Probably with a pair of scissors even. Tiny wire cutters would cut through the ski cable locks instantly, it's very thin gauge. The good news is probably 90-95% of skis are unlocked so they don't even bother doing that, just move onto the next pair.

Strange that Ski Key locks are not common in the US. I can remember using them as far back as the 90's in western Canada during my racing days.

I think it is the "bars-on-windows" phenomenon. If you drive through a neighborhood where all the windows have bars on them, you wonder why. You conclude its not a good neighborhood. If you see all the ski racks have locks, you conclude that theft is an issue. Not the image most resorts want to put out.
post #47 of 52

In years of skiing and living in a ski town neither I, nor anyone I know, has ever had a problem leaving out skis around at resorts.  I have heard 2nd hand stories of issues, usually of a string of thefts over a short period.  Never seemed to me that the risk was high enough to warrant mitigation.

post #48 of 52

In my personal experience, only one incident of theft, friend had a brand new snowboard stolen at Sunshine Village around 2005-06. 

 

At Whistler I only lock my skis if I am down in the village for apres (because they would be easy to steal) or at the Roundhouse because people can download very easily with skis. I'm more worried about the bindings than anything (new Guardians or Dynafits).

post #49 of 52
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I almost never lock skis at Stowe...  I figure most people there are plenty rich enough that the price of skis is meaningless to them.  Maybe one of these days karma will get me.  Hope not.

 

Keep an eye on your stuff if you're at Midway. One of my students had their skis stolen from there yesterday. And I had my GoPro stolen out of my bag during Christmas week. Seems there's a thief working that lodge. 

post #50 of 52

In CO, I've read about skis being stolen (and and several thieves being caught), but all of my first hand experience is with people taking the wrong skis by mistake. Once, I even filed a police report over the phone at Breck before the skis were returned. The pair the guy left on the rack were different brand/color, but he didn't realize they weren't his rentals until he attempted to put them on (I have a bigger foot than most).

 

The other two incidents, involved students in group lessons- once a very used pair of the identical ski went missing on North Peak at Keystone and in their place was left an almost new pair. We notified patrol, but the woman involved was hoping the other skier wouldn't notice (and likely they didn't). In the most recent incident at Copper, the skis left behind were identical in a slightly different size- both pair were former rentals...When I have kids, I usually put our skis all together and the skis that went missing were actually leaning against mine (along with several other pair)...neither ski had a name on it, which would have been helpful.

post #51 of 52
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Originally Posted by freeski919 View Post
 

 

Keep an eye on your stuff if you're at Midway. One of my students had their skis stolen from there yesterday. And I had my GoPro stolen out of my bag during Christmas week. Seems there's a thief working that lodge. 

 

thanks for the heads up...  That sucks.  :mad

post #52 of 52

Late to the party here, but I want to go back to the practice of separating skis.  I don't usually do this at my home areas because I'm usually solo and there aren't big crowds when I'm there, but when I visit other resorts I almost never ski solo, so my partner and I each take a ski from the other and walk off in different directions, each setting his/her mismatched pair of skis together in a different place.  It would have to be a well organized and  observant thief to watch both parties at the same time.  No thefts yet, knock on wood.

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