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post #1 of 52
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I don't know why the thread was locked.

 

I didn't get a chance to tell about the time a ski theft from the demo centre where I work part time was attempted, so I will tell it here.

 

It was at the start of the season few seasons ago when all of the demo skis are new. Buddy reported that he left the skis outside a lodge while going in for a restroom break and when he came back out the skis were gone. Buddy was told he would have a charge for the full retail price placed on his credit card and not the shop's wholesale cost as buddy expected. The Demo Centre waited a couple of days before doing anything and lo and  behold Buddy shows up with the demo skis, saying that the skis where returned to the ski rack by the person who must have picked them up by mistake. It was a nice try but I guess the skis were only of interest to Buddy if he could get them for a wholesale price.

 

This season we had another guy get his demo rentals stolen but when he was told he would have to pay full retail the skis did not magically reappear. The shop ended up charging him a replacement cost and not full retail.

 

Because the Sun Peaks Village has ski runs and lifts on three sides of the village there are several spots where a skier needs to cross the road to access a different lift. Some ski renters are stupid enough to believe that damage insurance (or was it fresh snow on the road?) allows them to ski across a road without being responsible for intentionally inflicted damage. They are mistaken.

 

 

[Mod note: Thread title changed for clarity, in collaboration with the OP.]

post #2 of 52

I think that thread was pretty sketch.  Gofundme page?  Seriously?  Can afford to eat and drink at Heavenly then wants OTHER people to pay for skis he lost??  I probably would have deleted that thread ASAP if I were a mod. 

post #3 of 52
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The OP may or may not have been a scammer but i thought the thread was evolving into a general thread about ski theft.

 

I find it very odd that every ski resort that I have been to in western Canada has lockable ski racks and that ski shops sell a lock the size of a match box for $25 that fits the racks. Yet in western USA I have only seen this type of rack at only one US resort. Needless to say I have purchased a cheap, compact cable lock for ski trips to the US.

post #4 of 52
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The OP may or may not have been a scammer but i thought the thread was evolving into a general thread about ski theft.

 

I find it very odd that every ski resort that I have been to in western Canada has lockable ski racks and that ski shops sell a lock the size of a match box for $25 that fits the racks. Yet in western USA I have only seen this type of rack at only one US resort. Needless to say I have purchased a cheap, compact cable lock for ski trips to the US.


Yeah, southern Ontario, home of stolen skis.  :D  We have a cable lock we use everywhere..I rarely see anyone using them in the States.  As a matter of fact, in Telluride people left their skis stuck in the snow outside their house.  So I dunno what the deal is on the ground down there.  In Ontario, yeah, I can see it.  Thick as thieves..

post #5 of 52
Ski or snowboard thievery seems to be a streaky thing in the US and in recent years not a particularly big problem - just from my own personal observations. Two possible favorable factors: 1) if you don't have a very recent model of a very hot ski there doesn't seem to be much interest for stealing your skis. 2) Hate to say it, but some mtns draw a certain demographic that is likely to include more potential thieves and that is busy ski areas near urban areas with lots of single young adult males.
post #6 of 52

I've always heard snowboards get stolen way more often than skis actually....

post #7 of 52
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post
 

I don't know why the thread was locked.

 

I didn't get a chance to tell about the time a ski theft from the demo centre where I work part time was attempted, so I will tell it here.

 

It was at the start of the season few seasons ago when all of the demo skis are new. Buddy reported that he left the skis outside a lodge while going in for a restroom break and when he came back out the skis were gone. Buddy was told he would have a charge for the full retail price placed on his credit card and not the shop's wholesale cost as buddy expected. The Demo Centre waited a couple of days before doing anything and lo and  behold Buddy shows up with the demo skis, saying that the skis where returned to the ski rack by the person who must have picked them up by mistake. It was a nice try but I guess the skis were only of interest to Buddy if he could get them for a wholesale price.

 

This season we had another guy get his demo rentals stolen but when he was told he would have to pay full retail the skis did not magically reappear. The shop ended up charging him a replacement cost and not full retail.

 

Because the Sun Peaks Village has ski runs and lifts on three sides of the village there are several spots where a skier needs to cross the road to access a different lift. Some ski renters are stupid enough to believe that damage insurance (or was it fresh snow on the road?) allows them to ski across a road without being responsible for intentionally inflicted damage. They are mistaken.

So what you're saying is that people falsely claim rental skis are stolen in the hopes of getting keeping them at wholesale price? Doesn't make a lot of sense to do since you can buy demos for less than wholesale at the end of the season, but then the intelligence of the criminal class is generally below genius level. People do find their "stolen" skis of course--the "thief" is just someone who took the wrong skis from the rack. Still, I'm inclined to believe you that at least in some cases the skis were falsely claimed to be stolen--based on my generally dim view of the human race.

 

Around here a couple of small areas are well known for thefts. I was sitting on the deck of one of them years ago near the owner and someone in management. They had put out a pair of bait skis and while I was there they caught someone taking them.

post #8 of 52

Recipe for making any ski theft proof: mount with telly bindings!!! 

post #9 of 52
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So what you're saying is that people falsely claim rental skis are stolen in the hopes of getting keeping them at wholesale price? Doesn't make a lot of sense to do since you can buy demos for less than wholesale at the end of the season, but then the intelligence of the criminal class is generally below genius level. People do find their "stolen" skis of course--the "thief" is just someone who took the wrong skis from the rack. Still, I'm inclined to believe you that at least in some cases the skis were falsely claimed to be stolen--based on my generally dim view of the human race.

 

Around here a couple of small areas are well known for thefts. I was sitting on the deck of one of them years ago near the owner and someone in management. They had put out a pair of bait skis and while I was there they caught someone taking them.

Demo skis at the start of the season are brand new.

post #10 of 52
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So what you're saying is that people falsely claim rental skis are stolen in the hopes of getting keeping them at wholesale price? Doesn't make a lot of sense to do since you can buy demos for less than wholesale at the end of the season

"at the end of the season" ... after the demo center has sent them out dozens of times making a healthy profit and the ski has been used and tuned dozens of times. 

 

I, for one, would much rather have a brand new ski at dealer cost than wait till the end of season, hope the ski I want in the length I want is still available and hasn't been 'ridden hard and put away wet' one too many times. I'd pay a tiny premium for that... but I'm not a scumbag that thinks stealing from anyone is OK.

post #11 of 52

I don't lock my skis but fully realize that I am taking a risk by not locking them.  If I was renting a pair of nice skis that I would have to pay retail to replace, I would likely lock them.

post #12 of 52

I always watch my skis like a hawk if I have to leave them outside at the base, demo or not. On the mountain, I figure the risk of theft is pretty low...but someone did accidentally ski off with my dad's skis once. It was a common model. The guy took them off the rack and the bindings just happened to fit close enough to click in. The guy eventually brought them to patrol, and everything got sorted out. How the different poles didn't tip him off, I don't know. 

post #13 of 52

All my skis are pretty old, but I have expensive bindings, so I lock, or I watch like a hawk.   As a foolish young man with equally unwise male friends, I recall leaving skis unlocked on the rack, but surreptitiously watching in the hope of having a good excuse to beat the living sh*t out of a thief.  We were fortunate that it never happened, and we don't have a criminal record for manslaughter.

post #14 of 52
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So what you're saying is that people falsely claim rental skis are stolen in the hopes of getting keeping them at wholesale price? Doesn't make a lot of sense to do since you can buy demos for less than wholesale at the end of the season, but then the intelligence of the criminal class is generally below genius level. People do find their "stolen" skis of course--the "thief" is just someone who took the wrong skis from the rack. Still, I'm inclined to believe you that at least in some cases the skis were falsely claimed to be stolen--based on my generally dim view of the human race.

 

Around here a couple of small areas are well known for thefts. I was sitting on the deck of one of them years ago near the owner and someone in management. They had put out a pair of bait skis and while I was there they caught someone taking them.

Demo skis at the start of the season are brand new.

 

 

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So what you're saying is that people falsely claim rental skis are stolen in the hopes of getting keeping them at wholesale price? Doesn't make a lot of sense to do since you can buy demos for less than wholesale at the end of the season

"at the end of the season" ... after the demo center has sent them out dozens of times making a healthy profit and the ski has been used and tuned dozens of times. 

 

I, for one, would much rather have a brand new ski at dealer cost than wait till the end of season, hope the ski I want in the length I want is still available and hasn't been 'ridden hard and put away wet' one too many times. I'd pay a tiny premium for that... but I'm not a scumbag that thinks stealing from anyone is OK.

If they were skied at Heavenly, like the OP of the other thread had, they almost certainly had a few core shots, dented burred edges, and other associated gouges. :) Even with the snow we've been getting at xmas and again the last 2 days, it's still low tide. You raise a good point though. I wonder how often people really do fake stolen demo skis. If people are that dishonest it would be simple enough to just steal a pair and have them for free instead of wholesale. 

post #15 of 52
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If they were skied at Heavenly, like the OP of the other thread had, they almost certainly had a few core shots, dented burred edges, and other associated gouges. :) Even with the snow we've been getting at xmas and again the last 2 days, it's still low tide. You raise a good point though. I wonder how often people really do fake stolen demo skis. If people are that dishonest it would be simple enough to just steal a pair and have them for free instead of wholesale. 

 

You can't get away with stealing a demo rental ski because the rental company has your credit card number so if you are a thief you would have to steal some other person's skis. OTOH if you are the type of person who hates big evil corporations, then I guess you just try to scam them in to selling you skis at wholesale. It usually doesn't work.

post #16 of 52
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Ski or snowboard thievery seems to be a streaky thing in the US and in recent years not a particularly big problem - just from my own personal observations. Two possible favorable factors: 1) if you don't have a very recent model of a very hot ski there doesn't seem to be much interest for stealing your skis. 2) Hate to say it, but some mtns draw a certain demographic that is likely to include more potential thieves and that is busy ski areas near urban areas with lots of single young adult males.

Ive always put the fams skis where we can see them but its not always possible. I have seen enough people (one too many) through the years wondering where the heck their skis are. Rentals seem to be the biggest problem. Too many are careless and mix them up and take the wrong ones. Then they are worried someone stole them and so they then take someone elses. Rental poles sem to be the biggest issue. Ski checks are getting more popular now. I don't trust racks or anything ut of sight so I have a cable lock but will still check them if available.

 

As someone else said I just don't trust a whole heck f a lot of the human race anymore. Especially being (as you mention) near enough the biggest city of all. The lack of respect, ediquette, and over all common courtesy is just overwhelming. I went (last year) to whats always been the closest resort to nyc and was the first time in nearly 25 or more years. While there (on weekend)  I remembered why I never go there anymore. Without getting into detail the bad started even as I pulled in to simply park my car. Just a shame how society has changed for the worse in so many ways. I mean there was always bad but it just seems so much worse nowadays. What can ya do? IDK but I lock up my skis or check them as I don't even trust it with the tiny cable.

 

Fighting for table space, worrying about gear being stolen, too much rudeness everywhere on and off the slopes etc etc... Just sort of sucks the joy out of things. sad really. Just sayin

post #17 of 52
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If they were skied at Heavenly, like the OP of the other thread had, they almost certainly had a few core shots, dented burred edges, and other associated gouges. :) Even with the snow we've been getting at xmas and again the last 2 days, it's still low tide. You raise a good point though. I wonder how often people really do fake stolen demo skis. If people are that dishonest it would be simple enough to just steal a pair and have them for free instead of wholesale. 

 

You can't get away with stealing a demo rental ski because the rental company has your credit card number so if you are a thief you would have to steal some other person's skis. OTOH if you are the type of person who hates big evil corporations, then I guess you just try to scam them in to selling you skis at wholesale. It usually doesn't work.


He means steel them off the rack from someone else, without bothering to rent them.   Probably a less punishable crime than fraud too.

post #18 of 52

If I were going to steal some demo skis, they would definitely be some owned by VR.  That is all I have to contribute to this conversation.

post #19 of 52

If you think about it, OP never really responded.  

The only person who happens to be on my block list, decided to take a bunch of hot takes and the thread just went to hell from there.

post #20 of 52
Normally, I avoid the threat of theft by using older, beat-up skis that nobody wants, but I have a new pair of skis this winter and will use an anti-theft technique - separate the skis. If going inside for a break put each ski on a different rack about 30 or 40 feet apart.
post #21 of 52
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Normally, I avoid the threat of theft by using older, beat-up skis that nobody wants, but I have a new pair of skis this winter and will use an anti-theft technique - separate the skis. If going inside for a break put each ski on a different rack about 30 or 40 feet apart.

The ski separation trick does not work if the thief is watching the ski rack and sees what you are doing which is tipping the thief off as to what are good skis to steal.

 

The classic joke is buddy comes out of the bar, well after other skiers have gone home, only to discover that there are only 2 skis left in the rack,  40 feet apart.

 

Just buy a cheap $10 or $15 compact cable lock. They aren't sturdy enough to stop a determined thief but are enough of a hassle for the thief that he will steal the unlocked skis right beside the locked skis.

post #22 of 52
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Normally, I avoid the threat of theft by using older, beat-up skis that nobody wants, but I have a new pair of skis this winter and will use an anti-theft technique - separate the skis. If going inside for a break put each ski on a different rack about 30 or 40 feet apart.

 

Or put them where you can see them.   Work for at the smaller resorts anyway...

post #23 of 52
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Normally, I avoid the threat of theft by using older, beat-up skis that nobody wants, but I have a new pair of skis this winter and will use an anti-theft technique - separate the skis. If going inside for a break put each ski on a different rack about 30 or 40 feet apart.

Great. I have enough trouble remembering where I put a pair of skis. Now you want me to remember where I put each one?

 

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The classic joke is buddy comes out of the bar, well after other skiers have gone home, only to discover that there are only 2 skis left in the rack,  40 feet apart.

 

 

That would be me--waiting until the parking lot has emptied so I can find my car.

post #24 of 52

I once saw a guy split his skis at the end of the day when there were only about 3 other pairs out there.  What the heck is that going to do?

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I once saw a guy split his skis at the end of the day when there were only about 3 other pairs out there.  What the heck is that going to do?


Those not quite clear on the concept. :rolleyes

post #26 of 52
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Normally, I avoid the threat of theft by using older, beat-up skis that nobody wants, but I have a new pair of skis this winter and will use an anti-theft technique - separate the skis. If going inside for a break put each ski on a different rack about 30 or 40 feet apart.

 

Not a technique that works well when it's a quiet day and there are only a half dozen pairs of skis on the racks. 

 

Theft isn't a problem I've heard much about at Stowe, but when I worked at Blue Mountain in PA, the theft issue was so bad that they didn't have regular racks out in front of the lodge. They only had a complimentary ski check. So if you were going inside, you checked your skis every time. I'd imagine it's still that way. 

 

I did have an occasion a couple weeks ago where I was walking into the lodge, and a young lady was going to walk in behind me carrying a snowboard. Since I was in uniform, and standing there holding a door that had a "No equipment inside" sign on it, I was kinda obligated to tell her she couldn't bring the board inside. She says it's really expensive, a custom board. I shrug, tell her sorry, it's still not allowed inside. She got upset and mumbled something about "guess I can't pee then." 

 

I hated to be that guy, but let's be real, pretty much everyone's equipment is expensive. If you are so concerned about theft, then bring a lock. Don't assume you're exempt from the rules because your skis or board is particularly rad. 

post #27 of 52

As one of the few people to have had a car stolen (with the kids' season rental skis on top) in Jackson- in 2005 - that I didn't get back... I feel qualified to respond...

 

The crook guy, with a lengthy rap sheet from assault to forgery to escape to multiple felonies got out of jail one Winter night in 2005 here in Jackson.  He walked down to the library and waited in the parking lot.  My wife was returning movies to the library and got out real quick (leaving keys in the car) and went inside. {Monday morning QBs - shut up! - this is Jackson hole}.

 

In just a few minutes, the car was gone. To us the car was priceless- it ran well and got excellent mileage- a great Valley Car.  The crook guy managed to get it out of town- I doubt the cops even looked for it.  There's only four roads leaving town.  But the clincher- it had the season rental skis on top & my 100 day season skis inside!  Yikes!

 

The police determined the skis were worth more than the car.  That was the real crime, not stealing a beater'Ru from the Library.

 

He got busted doing a drive off at a gas station somewhere North of Ogden, UT.  The skis were pawned in either Idaho Falls or Pocatello.  We never got them back.

 

Thankfully the local ski shop took pity on us and didn't make us pay.  There was some notoriety to the case in town due to the rarity of the car theft.

 

After being shipped back to JH for trial, he got several years in the Wyo State Pen.

 

Dude got paroled ~4 years later and promptly knocked off a liquor store with a sawed off shot gun in Casper, Wyo and was subsequently shipped back to the Wyo State Pen.

 

Go figure.

post #28 of 52
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Not a technique that works well when it's a quiet day and there are only a half dozen pairs of skis on the racks. 

 

Theft isn't a problem I've heard much about at Stowe, but when I worked at Blue Mountain in PA, the theft issue was so bad that they didn't have regular racks out in front of the lodge. They only had a complimentary ski check. So if you were going inside, you checked your skis every time. I'd imagine it's still that way. 

 

I did have an occasion a couple weeks ago where I was walking into the lodge, and a young lady was going to walk in behind me carrying a snowboard. Since I was in uniform, and standing there holding a door that had a "No equipment inside" sign on it, I was kinda obligated to tell her she couldn't bring the board inside. She says it's really expensive, a custom board. I shrug, tell her sorry, it's still not allowed inside. She got upset and mumbled something about "guess I can't pee then." 

 

I hated to be that guy, but let's be real, pretty much everyone's equipment is expensive. If you are so concerned about theft, then bring a lock. Don't assume you're exempt from the rules because your skis or board is particularly rad. 

 

I almost never lock skis at Stowe...  I figure most people there are plenty rich enough that the price of skis is meaningless to them.  Maybe one of these days karma will get me.  Hope not.

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I almost never lock skis at Stowe...  I figure most people there are plenty rich enough that the price of skis is meaningless to them.  Maybe one of these days karma will get me.  Hope not.


Yeah cuz rich kids never steal anything :rolleyes

 

Some people steal stuff just for the thrill particularly wealthy young adults.

 

That being said I never lock up my skis or my gear for that matter. I often leave a bag with spare layers, goggle lens, gloves, etc in a corner of the lodge or under a stairwell and have never had a problem. I know some places have problems with theft but for the most part I haven't seen it happen. Kind of like leaving camping gear at a campground. No one really steals that stuff either despite a lot of being quite valuable.       

post #30 of 52
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I almost never lock skis at Stowe...  I figure most people there are plenty rich enough that the price of skis is meaningless to them.  Maybe one of these days karma will get me.  Hope not.

Not gonna say it never happens, just not too often. I know there was a story a couple years ago, I think it was in the Stowe Reporter, where a guy found his skis missing, and followed a group of Quebecois highschool kids back to their tour bus because one was carrying a ski bag and looking shady. He asked the chaperone to open the bag, the chaperone refused, they had security and maybe Stowe PD come down. When they opened the bag, sure enough, this guy's skis were in the bag. I think the group was advised that getting back on their side of the border was a good idea at that time. 

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