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Neoshell for resort wear?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

Time for new gear and was surfing on fabric options (as a long time gore-tex owner). The neoshell sounds good but can anyone comment on (a) wind penetration (b) ass wetness from sitting on a chair?

 

Just wearing at the resort; primary hills are Big Sky and Squaw so I can layer appropriately. But, I want to be dry and not fond of wind passing through.

 

The Dermizax fabric sounds interesting but pretty limited and the only boutique brands in US that use it are rather $$$.

 

TIA!

post #2 of 15

Be interested in hearing from people with actual experience.  Found an article with detailed comparisons but don't have the patience to read it thoroughly.  They cover the four methods used in more than brand (Gore-Tex, NeoShell, eVent, Schoeller and Dermizax NX)

 

http://gearpatrol.com/2016/01/28/waterproof-breathable-jacket-technology-explained/

 

Comments from early 2015:

http://www.epicski.com/t/131744/lets-talk-fabrics-probably-not-the-first-time

post #3 of 15

Got a Eddie Bauer First Ascent Neoteric Shell (Neoshell) last year and haven't worn my prior lattest TNF Summit Series Enzo Shell (3 layer GoreTex) since.

 

Having worn both skiing inbounds during substantial snowstorm events, the Neoshell kept me every bit as dry as the GoreTex shell. I also did not feel it was draftier than the Enzo Shell.

 

Currently if given the option, I would buy another Neoshell shell before GoreTex. 

post #4 of 15

I have a Marmot Zion jacket which is Polartec Neoshell.  Great jacket.  Gets used for casual wear, some winter commuting (walking/biking), and spring skiing.  It keeps the elements out pretty well but I wouldn't rely on it in extreme conditions.  In my experience wind protection is good but not absolute like a heavy Gortex shell.

post #5 of 15

I used a Marmot for a season when Neoshell first came out. Didn't have any complaints with the material for resort use, but replaced it because the Marmot didn't have a great fit. Definitely breaths as advertised, even without pit zips. With my current and previous Goretex shells I have to keep the pit zips open most of the time to keep from sweating out the jacket.

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post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
He likes neo because it breathes. But, when your sitting on a chair is a howling storm, will the wind penetrate?
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post #8 of 15

^ I didn't think so, then again I wore a uber-warm Arcteryx Cerium SV down jacket as a mid-layer and a Smartwool base-layer under it. On days that weren't as cold a TNF Thermoball which will probably be replaced for a Patagonia Nano Air I picked up this summer. By contrast, I felt more cold air penetrate my TNF Enzo 3-layer Goretex shell with Marmot Zeus down mid-layer and two base-layers. However, the TNF Enzo jacket is made of a lightweight 3-layer Goretex fabric. I personally aim for my kit to be as breathable as possible without giving up warmth when needed. I can't say If Polartec is for you. Buy from a place with a good return policy, if you're not happy give it back.


Edited by neonorchid - 10/16/16 at 9:30pm
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by sfo1 View Post
 

Time for new gear and was surfing on fabric options -

 

- The Dermizax fabric sounds interesting but pretty limited and the only boutique brands in US that use it are rather $$$.

 

TIA!

Shop the sales!!!!

 

Let's face it, 99% of the time most of us who are active really don't need that new garment, we can make do with what we have. Offseason and preseason sales are the way to go, I personally, out of necessity take my time and usually do pretty well finding stuff at or more than 50% off. 

 

Good luck. 

post #10 of 15

I had a pair of Neoshell pants and I definitely think that they breathe better than 2L and 3L Gore-Tex. I also thought that they were more breathable than Gore Tex Pro. I never noticed any wind going through the pants, but my legs were definitely colder in these versus Gore-Tex pants.

 

The main issue I had with Neoshell was durability. I put at least 3 or 4 holes/tears in the pants before retiring them. I haven't managed to put even 1 hole in any of my Gore-Tex pants. 

post #11 of 15
Far as I understand the physical issues, all "waterproof" membranes or sprays represent a trade off between three axes: Breathability, water resistance, and durability. Agree that coupla brands breathe bit better than Gore Tex. (Think we had a thread years ago that included charts of tested permeability.) Dermizax, AFAIK, is a factory coating. Works well but dies fast.

But IME they also let more wind and water in, which follows from issues of pore size and confirmation, and they don't hold up as long, which follows from issues of thickness and mechanical strength of the vapor barrier, which is what dies first. So I have lighter, more breathable parkas for backpacking, skinning, and summer travel to hot wet places; one is GT, one is not. I have heavier, more durable parkas - both GT - for typical winter skiing conditions. Which rarely include lots of rain but often include icy wind, not to mention falling or banging into tree branches. So for 5-7 Benjamin's I want a membrane protected by something on either side. YMMV
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by sfo1 View Post
 

Time for new gear and was surfing on fabric options (as a long time gore-tex owner). The neoshell sounds good but can anyone comment on (a) wind penetration (b) ass wetness from sitting on a chair?

 

Just wearing at the resort; primary hills are Big Sky and Squaw so I can layer appropriately. But, I want to be dry and not fond of wind passing through.

 

The Dermizax fabric sounds interesting but pretty limited and the only boutique brands in US that use it are rather $$$.

 

TIA!

 

Are you absolutely sure that you know where that "ass wetness" is coming from? And if so, any ideas as to the reallocation of the membrane? Because, maybe you only need a small piece and can save money.

post #13 of 15

My problem with Neoshell is that it isn't waterproof enough for the wettest conditions.  I already have a good hybrid softshell (Patagonia Cold Smoke) that breathes great and keeps me dry in all but the wettest conditions.  Polartec itself has noted that Neoshell is rated at 10,000 mm but that drops to 5,000 after 20 washes (see p.1 at this link under "Technical Highlights"): https://www.discoverytrekking.com/pdfs/neoshell.pdf.  Enough for me to cross Neoshell off the list for a true hard shell.

 

I would say, however, that I've almost never needed more than my Cold Smoke, and I live in New England.  If you live in a dry climate (Colorado, Utah, etc), you could probably get away with a Neoshell as your regular jacket and just have a cheap waterproof rainshell to stick in your pack.

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post #15 of 15

Can't comment on Neoshell, but I'll throw in another technology that I can vouch for: Continuum 3.5L Laminate Shell (20,000mm /25,000gm)

 

I have a Homeschool jacket with it (https://homeschoolouterwear.com/collections/baker-series/products/universe-iv-parka?variant=29202970246)

 

Admittedly it is a baggier fit, but they have fantastic deals sometimes through sites like evo.

 

Paired with Uniqlo Heattech it is an excellent and cost effective solution. 

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