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I'm looking for people with the knowledge and experience to list the cons of skiing on demo bindings. Thanks in advance.
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I'm looking for people with the knowledge and experience to list the cons of skiing on demo bindings. Thanks in advance.


Welcome to EpicSki!  Are you thinking about demo bindings on rented demo skis?  Or used demo skis?

 

For me, the main disadvantage of demo bindings is that they are heavier than standard bindings.  Not an issue when I rent.  But I prefer to have lighter bindings for my own skis.

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Welcome to EpicSki!  Are you thinking about demo bindings on rented demo skis?  Or used demo skis?

For me, the main disadvantage of demo bindings is that they are heavier than standard bindings.  Not an issue when I rent.  But I prefer to have lighter bindings for my own skis.

Thanks! I was looking to purchase barely used demo skis mounted with demo bindings at a local shop.
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Welcome to EpicSki!  Are you thinking about demo bindings on rented demo skis?  Or used demo skis?

For me, the main disadvantage of demo bindings is that they are heavier than standard bindings.  Not an issue when I rent.  But I prefer to have lighter bindings for my own skis.

Thanks! I was looking to purchase barely used demo skis mounted with demo bindings at a local shop.


If this price is right, go for it.  Is this your first ski purchase?  My first skis when I started skiing more regularly 12 years ago were used rental skis.  Weren't the best but enough to start with since I wasn't skiing that often.

post #5 of 32

It depends on the bindings. Tyrolia Aattack 13 demo bindings aren't much heavier than the standard version (which aren't heavy either), and they have a low stand height, too.

post #6 of 32
Some differences between demo and regular bindings. First, as mentioned, a little added weight. Some demo bindings are heavier than others. Two, due to the adjustable nature of the demo binding, they're often mounted on a plate. If they aren't, the base of the binding is still much longer to allow for adjustment. Demo bindings are also sometimes taller than the regular comparable binding.

Notice though that I said differences, not disadvantages. I have a pair of carving skis with demo bindings, and all of those things are how I'd want the ski anyhow. Heavier to dampen chatter on ice, a plate to stiffen and transmit energy better, and a higher stand height for better leverage and minimize the chance of booting out.

If the price is right, buy them.
post #7 of 32

all demo bindings have 'extra' moving parts... moving parts develop slop. Does it matter? Not to most. Let's back up for a second though, what ski/binding are we talking about? A Volkl RTM or Head Supershape will have the exact same binding as a consumer ski, so no different. A Blizzard Brahma will have a 'demo' binding. It helps to know what we are talking about. 

 

Negatives for most:

weight

height

longer track effecting ski flex

slop

you look like you are using rental gear... so gaper.

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all demo bindings have 'extra' moving parts... moving parts develop slop. Does it matter? Not to most. Let's back up for a second though, what ski/binding are we talking about? A Volkl RTM or Head Supershape will have the exact same binding as a consumer ski, so no different. A Blizzard Brahma will have a 'demo' binding. It helps to know what we are talking about. 

 

Negatives for most:

weight

height

longer track effecting ski flex

slop

you look like you are using rental gear... so gaper.

I dunno, when skiing in the Rockies the guys from the northeast who insist on using their own skis look a lot more like gapers than folks who spend a few bucks on renting demo powder skis.  Meaning skis that are built to be good on ice or manmade snow.

post #9 of 32
OP asked for a list of 'cons'... looking like a gaper/ tourist could be seen as a con. I don't care or judge anyone by what they own, others do.

I'm just trying to earn one of Tyler's silly 'Helpful Poster' badges.
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I'm not sure that calling it silly is going to help earn one. 😎
post #11 of 32
Probably not...
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

all demo bindings have 'extra' moving parts... moving parts develop slop. Does it matter? Not to most. Let's back up for a second though, what ski/binding are we talking about? A Volkl RTM or Head Supershape will have the exact same binding as a consumer ski, so no different. A Blizzard Brahma will have a 'demo' binding. It helps to know what we are talking about. 

 

Negatives for most:

weight

height

longer track effecting ski flex

slop

you look like you are using rental gear... so gaper.

 

All my skis have Griffon demos so I can use with friends, and make them easier to sell later on as I only tend to keep for a couple of years. They also allow me to go to a forward or back position on the ski if the conditions warrant it, or just to try the way ski.

 

The Griffon heels between demo and non-demo are identical, and the toes have one additional plastic plate that goes on the ski with a worm gear that has no slop. We measured the differece in wight with the non-demo versions, and the weight difference was measured in grams.

 

I have NEVER been accused of looking like a gaper. Ever.


Edited by snofun3 - 10/16/16 at 4:32pm
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All my skis have Griffon demos so I can use with friends, and make them easier to sell later on as I only tend to keep for a couple of years. They also allow me to go to a forward or back position on the ski if the conditions warrant it, or just to try the way ski.

 

The Griffon heels between demo and non-demo are identical, and the toes have one additional plastic plate that goes on the ski with a worm gear that has no slop. We measured the differece in wight with the non-demo versions, and the weight difference was measured in grams.

 

I have NEVER been accused of looking like a gaper. Ever.

 

So that can be a con... When I got my first pair of skis I didn't really consider that the heel and toe moved so the binding could move position on the ski. I felt a little silly when I realized one ski had the binding centered a half inch behind center and the other a half inch forward of center :o

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So that can be a con... When I got my first pair of skis I didn't really consider that the heel and toe moved so the binding could move position on the ski. I felt a little silly when I realized one ski had the binding centered a half inch behind center and the other a half inch forward of center :o

You are due applause for being man enough to admit such a colossally gaper move. Well done!

post #16 of 32

Be aware that when adjusting demo bindings for boots, the bsl indicator on the binding is only an approximation. You may have to move the setting forward or back to get the forward pressure right.

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Be aware that when adjusting demo bindings for boots, the bsl indicator on the binding is only an approximation. You may have to move the setting forward or back to get the forward pressure right.

 

Right. Check that the screw is the correct depth within the plate and you're done.

post #18 of 32

as others noted, if the price is right, binding type, how your skiing make the option as good or bad. I've had both, simply depended on how much the ski was one that was my dream ski or simply one I wished to use, play on, etc. I'm by no means an expert and feel on adjusts greatly for the ski, conditions, etc, so the mount/binding is just one of many considerations. 

 

Gaper or not ... well, that's personal opinion. I find the whole subject just another form of high school bullying and never thought much of worrying what anyone else thought. I rather enjoy being a geek, loser, etc.   ; )

post #19 of 32
Guess I and all of my family must look like Gapers since we run demo bindings on all of our skis...



HB
post #20 of 32

No problem with good demo bindings — they're really useful for playing with mount position.

 

Of course, in some circles, a demo binding might signal a gaper, but there's no accounting for taste. Whiteroom is probably accurate for the circles he refers to.

post #21 of 32

Demo skis are awesome! They will almost always have demo bindings also awesome cause you can share em w friends.

 

(sniffing out a possible "ski helmet" thread here:popcorn:snowfight:Ott)

post #22 of 32
I think Epicski might have a cavity, I sure found a sensitive nerve.
post #23 of 32

I skied Tyrolia demo bindings for a couple seasons.  Tended to pre heel-release in uneven terrain and send me sprawling...passed the shop torque test and increasing DIN didn't help.  Don't know if it was a problem with the make, model, or just my particular binding but I was glad to get rid of them.

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I think Epicski might have a cavity, I sure found a sensitive nerve.

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Guess I and all of my family must look like Gapers since we run demo bindings on all of our skis...



HB


​And quite the good looking crowd if I may say so!   

post #26 of 32
An alternative to demos are adjustables. Which have all of Whiteroom's negatives - maybe touch less slop over time - but don't trigger the Dread Gaper Fear. 😱

Or plates, which allow repositioning without any issues with slop. Prolly less than a flat mount, and allows free flexing of the ski. But not for slopeside tweaking. Or fat skis.

At end of day would build on Harkin's family model; anyone who's had to outfit a few growing kids, and understands the concept of hand-me-down or used gear, will find basic economics and ease of transfer trumps some amount of slop few would even notice. We use good demos, plates, adjustables, whatever is at hand and fits the use. Same works if you like to tinker with your position or get new boots more often than new skis.

We only run two kinds of bindings, Look/Rossi, and Tyrolia/Head, which simplifies things also in terms of mixing or matching.
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An alternative to demos are adjustables. Which have all of Whiteroom's negatives - maybe touch less slop over time - but don't trigger the Dread Gaper Fear. 😱

Or plates, which allow repositioning without any issues with slop. Prolly less than a flat mount, and allows free flexing of the ski. But not for slopeside tweaking. Or fat skis.

At end of day would build on Harkin's family model; anyone who's had to outfit a few growing kids, and understands the concept of hand-me-down or used gear, will find basic economics and ease of transfer trumps some amount of slop few would even notice. We use good demos, plates, adjustables, whatever is at hand and fits the use. Same works if you like to tinker with your position or get new boots more often than new skis.

We only run two kinds of bindings, Look/Rossi, and Tyrolia/Head, which simplifies things also in terms of mixing or matching.

when our kids were small we handed down boots at the same time we handed down skis--they were used to begin with so both kids had hand me down gear--so adjustability of binding position wasn't an issue. All the men in our family have the same size feet, although my kids both have smaller BSLs then I do, but a standard solly or marker binding has enough range to accomodate all of us. Look Pivots would be a problem

 

If there's anyone who doesn't understand that the idea of looking like a gaper if you have demo bindings is a joke, I can assure you, no one is looking at your bindings.

post #28 of 32

Speak for yourself. Personally, I tend to jump off my skis and go check out people's bindings. "Excuse me, but I couldn't help noticing your cool white on blue Erplesplatz 14's. Is that the model with the triple horizontal uranium titanium alloy spring, or are you a poseur?" 

 

This tends to impress people, sometimes so much they contact the ski patrol. 

post #29 of 32

I also check out bindings.  There's every chance I'm 'not quite usual' in this respect, but it remains a fact.

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I think Epicski might have a cavity, I sure found a sensitive nerve.

 

 

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