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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

I just got some boots. The shell seems to fit but the intuition liner is tight. My toes are pressed up against the end. Will these liners stretch when molded? I've tried to find an answer to this but I can't get a consistent answer online. Thanks

post #2 of 23

A toe cap is a key part of the molding process. Read all about it here:

 

http://intuitionliners.com/fitting/

post #3 of 23
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Originally Posted by ThunderBear View Post
 

I just got some boots. The shell seems to fit but the intuition liner is tight. My toes are pressed up against the end. Will these liners stretch when molded? I've tried to find an answer to this but I can't get a consistent answer online. Thanks

They will compress where they need to and expand where they need to, if you mold them correctly. 

post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

They will compress where they need to and expand where they need to, if you mold them correctly. 

So I don't need to get a new pair of boots but rather have them molded correctly? In the intuition guide, it says don't mold them if they are tight

post #5 of 23
Yes, it'll stretch. But keep in mind that Intuition liners run small, so they recommend going up a size relative to the shell for some brands and liners. If the liner is too short, better to exchange for one size larger. OTOH if you are talking about lateral tightness, that will get better.

Also some Intuition liners are designed to be heated, which speeds things up ( a dense Intuition can take a whole season without heat); a couple like the Dreamliner don't need heat (but still expect them to keep molding for 20-30 days IME). If you get yours heated, you'll want toe caps (even two if toe space is an issue). Also, the liners will fit better down the line if you get any shell work done prior to heating the liner. Good luck.
post #6 of 23
I always "ski mine in a little" before molding. The foam always seems to sort out. Best!
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by iriponsnow View Post

I always "ski mine in a little" before molding. The foam always seems to sort out. Best!

I probably couldnt ski them a little before. They are too tight in length. Width is fine but length is too tight and would probably hurt. 

post #8 of 23
Did the liner come stock with the shell? From reading your initial post it sounded like it, in which case the liner is the right size, just have it molded with toe caps.
post #9 of 23
That is why I said it will compress to size, they won't necessarily 'stretch' but the right size will compress in areas that your foot is pressing against and expand to fill areas where there is room. Toe caps push your foot deeper into the heel pocket and compress foam there plus at the toes... getting room if the shell does fit will not be an issue.
post #10 of 23

In my experience, the unmolded liner feels about 1/2-size smaller than the finished product. In what you're describing, you can expect that when you mold the liner, your heel will compact the foam at the back of the liner, providing a bit more space in the toe. At the same time, the foam around the toe will also compress thanks to using a toe cap, giving you a bit more space in the toe.

 

That being said, I have not worked on shaping a liner that felt too short to be skiable. Double-check that your shell is the right size: Take the liner out, put your foot in the boot with toe against the front, and you should be able to stack two fingers between your heel and the back of the shell. If the shell is the right size, the liner can definitely be molded to fit. If the shell is too small, you may need new shells- or take your boots to a shop which specializes in boot fitting, and talk through options with them.

post #11 of 23

Are the boots, by any chance, Full Tilt Classics?

post #12 of 23

GGet 

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Originally Posted by ericvoneast View Post
 

In my experience, the unmolded liner feels about 1/2-size smaller than the finished product. In what you're describing, you can expect that when you mold the liner, your heel will compact the foam at the back of the liner, providing a bit more space in the toe. At the same time, the foam around the toe will also compress thanks to using a toe cap, giving you a bit more space in the toe.

 

That being said, I have not worked on shaping a liner that felt too short to be skiable. Double-check that your shell is the right size: Take the liner out, put your foot in the boot with toe against the front, and you should be able to stack two fingers between your heel and the back of the shell. If the shell is the right size, the liner can definitely be molded to fit. If the shell is too small, you may need new shells- or take your boots to a shop which specializes in boot fitting, and talk through options with them.

A two finger fit is a comfort fit. A lot of people go smaller than that for better performance. If you have less than a two finger fit it does NOT mean your shell is too small. Depending on your fingers even a one finger fit might be fine. 

Molding should solve your problem. Note that when they are being molded with the toe cap in place they will feel very uncomfortable. The toe cap is there during the molding process to make sure you have enough room for your toes once the cap is removed, but it takes up space while it's in there and really squashes the toes. Make sure you do the molding with the same sock you will be skiing with. Intuitions fit precisely enough so that a small difference in sock thickness matters. I recommend ultrathin socks. Intuitions are warm. Thicker socks won't keep you warmer.

post #13 of 23

not sure if OT read it, it could help, http://intuitionliners.com/choosing-a-liner-model/

post #14 of 23

Typically you can stretch out Intuition Liners at least 1-2 sizes depending on the type of fit you would like.  The more stretching you do the more taut the fit will be with less foam.  If you're unsure I would take them to a local boot fitter and get them to help you out and make suggestions.  Molding your liners correctly will make all the difference.

post #15 of 23

FWIW, that's exactly the opposite of what Intuition recommends. If you stretch a liner that much, the foam is pushed outward instead of being able to fill in cavities between your foot and the shell. Intuition suggests going as large as the shell permits, so the inward movement, pushing against the shell, is maximized. If you have fewer cavities, or want a tighter fit all around, they suggest a lower volume liner, not a smaller one. 

post #16 of 23

Heres a slightly off topic question:  Fluidmotion sports has a sale on intuition liners, I see one model called the 'rosso descente'  I dont see it on intuitions website. Does anyone here have any experience with them? how they fit , etc.

post #17 of 23
Never heard of them, and I've had some experience with Intuitions. Wonder if they are a brand liner made by Intuition at some point.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

FWIW, that's exactly the opposite of what Intuition recommends. If you stretch a liner that much, the foam is pushed outward instead of being able to fill in cavities between your foot and the shell. Intuition suggests going as large as the shell permits, so the inward movement, pushing against the shell, is maximized. If you have fewer cavities, or want a tighter fit all around, they suggest a lower volume liner, not a smaller one. 

I was under the impression that the Intuitions came with the boot so presumably the right size for the shell. Although the OP hasn't actually told us that. 

 

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Originally Posted by graham418 View Post
 

Heres a slightly off topic question:  Fluidmotion sports has a sale on intuition liners, I see one model called the 'rosso descente'  I dont see it on intuitions website. Does anyone here have any experience with them? how they fit , etc.

Maybe an export model?

post #19 of 23
I used to ski Dalbello's with the ID liners made by Intuition. IME, they were a bit different than regular Intuitions, not sure if that's because of specs provided by company or Intuition's choice. But they tended to be a touch easier to get in and out of the shell than regular Intuitions (I put in Power Wraps), and definitely on the thin side volume wise. I replaced the stock liners on my Lange RS's with Intuition Dreamliners in the same size, they are definitely too short. Intuition said to go one size longer than the shell; this also may reflect Lange's unusually large shells.
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by graham418 View Post
 

Heres a slightly off topic question:  Fluidmotion sports has a sale on intuition liners, I see one model called the 'rosso descente'  I dont see it on intuitions website. Does anyone here have any experience with them? how they fit , etc.

Hi Graham,

 

Thanks for the question they are based on the Luxury Liners.

 

Thanks,

 

Meghan

post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

I used to ski Dalbello's with the ID liners made by Intuition. IME, they were a bit different than regular Intuitions, not sure if that's because of specs provided by company or Intuition's choice. But they tended to be a touch easier to get in and out of the shell than regular Intuitions (I put in Power Wraps), and definitely on the thin side volume wise. I replaced the stock liners on my Lange RS's with Intuition Dreamliners in the same size, they are definitely too short. Intuition said to go one size longer than the shell; this also may reflect Lange's unusually large shells.

I asked Intuition which liner would work better with my Lange RX, size 27.5  (same exact mold as Lange RS), they suggested Dreamliner

 

The Dreamliner is sized to fill the whole shell length of it's given size. Size 27 measures 28cm to work for the 27/27.5 shell. 

 

Hope that helps

post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

I used to ski Dalbello's with the ID liners made by Intuition. IME, they were a bit different than regular Intuitions, not sure if that's because of specs provided by company or Intuition's choice.

They were different and it was not Intuition's choice.  The standard sole thickness for Intuition liners is 9mm.  The industry standard is 2mm.  Dalbello had Intuition make their liners with a 2mm sole.  I had a pair of Krypton Cross ID's and that's how the liner was.  I finally had to replace the Intuition liners in my Full Tilt Classics with an Intuition Pro Wrap liner because I couldn't use a foot bed with the stock liner.  The Pro Wrap has a 2mm sole and the boots now fit perfectly.

post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post
 

They were different and it was not Intuition's choice.  The standard sole thickness for Intuition liners is 9mm.  The industry standard is 2mm.  Dalbello had Intuition make their liners with a 2mm sole.  I had a pair of Krypton Cross ID's and that's how the liner was.  I finally had to replace the Intuition liners in my Full Tilt Classics with an Intuition Pro Wrap liner because I couldn't use a foot bed with the stock liner.  The Pro Wrap has a 2mm sole and the boots now fit perfectly.


Interdasting.

 

I have a pair of KR2 Fusions that came with ID liners. About half-way through season #2 I just couldn't seem to get the foot hold I wanted. I had bought a pair of powerwraps for an older pair of Rampage's that only had one season on them (the liners; the shells were toast), and thought I could just swap them. Seems like the KR2 has a little less volume than the previous Krypton mold, so the fit was just too snug without re-molding. After the re-mold I'm a happy camper!

 

IMO the ID liner that came with the Fusions was too soft, which allowed foot movement even with the buckles fairly tight. The denser powerwrap has no such problem, and the thicker sole works really well for my extremely low instep paddle-foot. Good to know about options like the Pro Wrap for people with normal to higher insteps.
 

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