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post #31 of 54
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post
 

I love high speed groomer burning. Turning 69 when the snow flies. Had a bad crash last year. Banged my head pretty hard on the back. Bought a full FIS helmet and just wondering how many recreational skiers that love speed use any kind of protection. I do not want to get injured but I am a roller and crashes usually are not a problem. I also added a back protector as it is very lite. What do you use?


This is a funky video, but you will get the idea.  Yes, I use it.

post #32 of 54
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Originally Posted by KingGrump View Post

Contrary to common belief, speed does not kill, incompetence does.  

Incompetence at 5 mph does not have the same consequences as incompetence at 65 mph. speed is the single most important factor determining the severity is traumatic injuries.
post #33 of 54

I don't blame the gain; I blame the bad music  ;):D 

 

 

I still think @levy1 could really get a kick out of 24hr/100K type events, where the goal is not just to ski fast, but to ski fast and easy.

post #34 of 54
 
Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

Hey @levy1 do you ever do charity marathon events?

Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

I don't blame the gain; I blame the bad music  ;):D 

I still think @levy1 could really get a kick out of 24hr/100K type events, where the goal is not just to ski fast, but to ski fast and easy.

 
Where do such 24 hour skiing events take place?  I thought your original mention of them was about mt biking.
post #35 of 54

Well the classic is at Mt. Tremblant   http://www.24htremblant.com/en  - but what are you doing on March 13?  

 

http://www.skiwildcat.com/event/new-event-178/

post #36 of 54
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post
 

Well the classic is at Mt. Tremblant   http://www.24htremblant.com/en  - but what are you doing on March 13?  

 

http://www.skiwildcat.com/event/new-event-178/


Yeah, nope.  Someone died there on an icy hairpin turn without B-Netting two years ago; he slid into the woods; couldn't maintain grip on the polished ice as he turned left at the bottom of the mountain coming off of Lynx.  Not my cuppa.  Vertical Challenge is all about speed, not endurance.  I've done one of those; that was enough.

post #37 of 54

I like to straight line some easy blues from time to time provided nobody's around, but I've had enough low speed falls take my hat off to know that I should be wearing a helmet. 

post #38 of 54

Maybe the OP and other speed demons should just go to the only speed skiing event in North America held at the beginning of March each year at Sun Peaks. Is 178kms per hour fast enough for ya?

 

 

 

post #39 of 54
No doubt that would be fun, however I still like to throw some turns in there as well.
Not taking anything away from the FIS speed skiers, but in the general population there are many more people that can ski fast, but relatively few that can ski fast while turning!
post #40 of 54

One more equipment item that helps avoid injuries at higher speeds is a pair of skis that has a very long side-cut radius.  Just say'n.

post #41 of 54
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Originally Posted by hbear View Post

No doubt that would be fun, however I still like to throw some turns in there as well.
Not taking anything away from the FIS speed skiers, but in the general population there are many more people that can ski fast, but relatively few that can ski fast while turning!

 

Very true. Very few can ski fast while in control. Speed and control should not be mutually exclusive. 

To me skiing is about control. Whether it is steep, trees, bumps or groomers.   

 

Personally, a good high speed lap on open terrain when everything fall into place is an almost out of body experience. I can feel the heightened sense of inner peace. The smooth gliding sensations. The strangest feeling is a sense that time slows. Can’t really explain it. 

post #42 of 54
Thread Starter 
Perfect!
post #43 of 54
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Originally Posted by MrGolfAnalogy View Post


Incompetence at 5 mph does not have the same consequences as incompetence at 65 mph. speed is the single most important factor determining the severity is traumatic injuries.


This. Just the physics of biological materials; if mass is constant, it's all about velocity.

post #44 of 54
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post
 

Maybe the OP and other speed demons should just go to the only speed skiing event in North America held at the beginning of March each year at Sun Peaks. Is 178kms per hour fast enough for ya?

For me personally that's not really a thrill. It's similar to putting pedal to metal on highway... anyone can do this and drive 300km/h on straight highway. Driving 80km/h on curvy road is not something everyone can do and it's much more fun. Same goes for skiing... at least for me. It's no thrill going down straight line at 150km/h (I have done this quite few times, including getting to 120km/h on xc skis back when i was still racing and we were having fun during free time ;) ), while it's much more fun getting "just" to 100km/h and still having turns in there. :)

post #45 of 54

At your age (or any age) protection is a good idea.  When coaching race kids, if we are ripping around doing drills  - esp GS training, I STRONGLY recommend the kids wear their protective equipment.  This includes:

 

Their padded GS suit and padded training shorts.  Padded top if they have one.

Helmet (obviously)

Race gloves (if you ain't draggin knuckles - sometimes - you ain't really turning)

And I strongly recommend a back protector (POC, Slytech etc)

Mouth guard will do more than a FIS bucket to avoid concussion.  Fits in pocket and easy insurance.  There is also some evidence a mouth guard helps with skeletal alignment.

 

As for old guys like me, if I am skiing recreationally and really ripping GS or SG skis down empty trails.  I wear:

 

Braces (one soft one hard) for my creaky knees

Helmet (duh)

Back protector (POC)

I often wear a neoprene wrap around my abdomen / lower back for warmth, support, and artificial core strength.  

Mouth guard sometimes.

I sometimes wear an old school padded SL sweater when training gates with the kids.  

 

Point is - pads/safety equipment does NO GOOD in the trunk of the car or floor of the closet.  Got it?  Wear it.  Your safety equipment can often mean the difference between laughing off a spill and nursing a very sore whatever for a long time.  

post #46 of 54

I purchased and use while ice skating a pair of compression shorts with hip and butt protection.

 

These are not the ones I bought, but it gives you an idea of what I'm talking about.  Seems like an ice skating thing mostly.

 

http://amzn.to/2dNbWSX

post #47 of 54
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

I purchased and use while ice skating a pair of compression shorts with hip and butt protection.

These are not the ones I bought, but it gives you an idea of what I'm talking about.  Seems like an ice skating thing mostly.

http://amzn.to/2dNbWSX

At my size (6'6", 225 lb) I wear something similar all the time now when I'm skiing. I took a nasty fall as a beginner on an icy slope and got a very bad bruise on my hip/butt area. And now it seems much easier to re-bruise when I fall, probably due to a bone spur or such. With these, I've not had an issue since. Maybe I should stop falling, but I hear that's required to progress in skiing.redface.gif

There are some nice ones made just for skiing, but these were too small for me.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=poc+padded+shorts&tbm=shop&spd=13553368241243622801
post #48 of 54
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 


Yeah, nope.  Someone died there on an icy hairpin turn without B-Netting two years ago; he slid into the woods; couldn't maintain grip on the polished ice as he turned left at the bottom of the mountain coming off of Lynx.  Not my cuppa.  Vertical Challenge is all about speed, not endurance.  I've done one of those; that was enough.

They changed the Wildcat event a while back where the finish times of the 100k were no longer recorded.  It is just finishing and the amount of money raised.

 

Levy glad to hear you are not skiing 65.  My rough rule is 25 is skiing fast; 35 is skiing faster than almost everyone else; 45 is the fastest person on the hill outside a race or end of the day tuck to the bottom.

post #49 of 54
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

I purchased and use while ice skating a pair of compression shorts with hip and butt protection.

 

These are not the ones I bought, but it gives you an idea of what I'm talking about.  Seems like an ice skating thing mostly.

 

http://amzn.to/2dNbWSX

 

The ones you linked to are for SCA re-enactments and combat, that's awesome.

post #50 of 54

These are bit closer to what I have http://amzn.to/2dNuqD2

post #51 of 54
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Originally Posted by XLTL View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

I purchased and use while ice skating a pair of compression shorts with hip and butt protection.

These are not the ones I bought, but it gives you an idea of what I'm talking about.  Seems like an ice skating thing mostly.

http://amzn.to/2dNbWSX

At my size (6'6", 225 lb) I wear something similar all the time now when I'm skiing. I took a nasty fall as a beginner on an icy slope and got a very bad bruise on my hip/butt area. And now it seems much easier to re-bruise when I fall, probably due to a bone spur or such. With these, I've not had an issue since. Maybe I should stop falling, but I hear that's required to progress in skiing.redface.gif

There are some nice ones made just for skiing, but these were too small for me.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=poc+padded+shorts&tbm=shop&spd=13553368241243622801

 

Those look great.

 

I'm not a big fan of the "if you're not falling, you're not trying" concept.

 

I'd rather do what I can do well until it's effortless, than add more bit by bit.  Rushing over learning is where people tend to never master anything, but just learn a lot of things to mediocrity.

post #52 of 54
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by KingGrump View Post
 

Skiing weekday in NE is completely difference than skiing the weekends. Sometime I find it hard to believe it's the same hill.

 

@levy1, here are a  few of the runs at Stratton optimized for high speed cruising. Long sight distances, no blind rollers and usually empty on a weekday afternoon.

 

North American (Frank's Fall Line) - straight down the fall line as the name indicates. Once pass the short steeper section at the top you, stay to the right.. From there you can see the mid mountain lodge below. A clear shot My favorite. 

 

Upper Standard -right side of the trail. No blind spots. Double fall line at places. Stay off the middle of the trail.

 

Bear bottom - It's a sweet run. Always empty. I prefer the right side.    

 

Sunriser - Left side all the way down. Good slightly rolling terrain with good sight distances but no real blind rollers. 

 

East & West Meadow - Big wide and open (by NE standards). Relatively flat.  

 

Have fun. Thumbs Up

Thank you, I appreciate the help and am looking forward to skiing these runs.

post #53 of 54

In a race I am required to wear full back protection and FIS compliant helmet.

 

In free ski mode? I'll wear the helmet. It's warm and doesn't look too silly because everyone wears them.

Back protection? Usually I pass on it unless the snow or slope is a bit dangerous. Very rarely does it come out in free ski mode.

post #54 of 54
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pat View Post
 

At your age (or any age) protection is a good idea.  When coaching race kids, if we are ripping around doing drills  - esp GS training, I STRONGLY recommend the kids wear their protective equipment.  This includes:

 

Their padded GS suit and padded training shorts.  Padded top if they have one.

Helmet (obviously)

Race gloves (if you ain't draggin knuckles - sometimes - you ain't really turning)

And I strongly recommend a back protector (POC, Slytech etc)

Mouth guard will do more than a FIS bucket to avoid concussion.  Fits in pocket and easy insurance.  There is also some evidence a mouth guard helps with skeletal alignment.

 

As for old guys like me, if I am skiing recreationally and really ripping GS or SG skis down empty trails.  I wear:

 

Braces (one soft one hard) for my creaky knees

Helmet (duh)

Back protector (POC)

I often wear a neoprene wrap around my abdomen / lower back for warmth, support, and artificial core strength.  

Mouth guard sometimes.

I sometimes wear an old school padded SL sweater when training gates with the kids.  

 

Point is - pads/safety equipment does NO GOOD in the trunk of the car or floor of the closet.  Got it?  Wear it.  Your safety equipment can often mean the difference between laughing off a spill and nursing a very sore whatever for a long time.  

Thank you and great points. I have it all now except for the padded jacket. I did find a padded race sweater.

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