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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

Hi guys,

 

Looking for suggestions on ski bindings.

 

** I ski mostly in Colorado (Durango, Telluride) and I am planning on 18 or more ski days this year. This will be my 7th ski season and I am working on my skiing ability. This year, I plan on skiing 60% groomers (blue and smoother blacks), 20% trees (wider spacing) and 20% moguls. I plan on taking a couple of lessons to improve my ability to ski moguls and uneven terrain. Not planning on going out of bounds.

 

After I select the bindings, I am going to buy a pair of Rossignol Experience 88's, 172cm (2015/2016). I rented some last year and really enjoyed them. I thought it would be best to go with the 172's (instead of 180's) to help with agility.

 

I have been leaning toward Rossignol Axial 3 120's and Marker Griffon 13's. I am ok with paying more if the additional function is worth it.

 

My stats:

 

Height: 6'3"

Weight: 200 lbs

Age: 53

DIN: 6.5

**Level: advanced, between 6 and 7 depending on conditions. I am ok with steep and smooth, I am working on improving on uneven terrain

 

I would love to hear your opinions on this! Thanks

post #2 of 22
Based on this profile I think any of the bindings you reference would be just fine… I suggest just seeing which has the best deal and go with it as you are unlikely to notice much difference
post #3 of 22
Both of your binding suggestions will work great... Personally I'd lean towards the Rossi Axial 3's simply because of the toe piece with the safest most smooth ejection is a key player for me.. While most bindings release either horizontally or vertically the toe piece with the Axial allowed a pivoting release allowed a much safer ejection. Also, they have cool color to choose from and they are really
Easy to step into..... Had some slight problems with griffons getting into not really sure why.
post #4 of 22
post #5 of 22

I have the Look PX family on most of my skis. (The Rossi Axial is just a rebranded Look PX). The 120's are a great binding, probably the best binding for the price you can usually find them at. 

 

You can snag them here for $179. I included links for both the Axial3 120 and the SPX 12. As you can see, same exact binding, just different colors and logos. 

 

http://gearx.com/look-bindings-spx-12-binding

http://gearx.com/rossignol-axial3-120-binding

post #6 of 22
All my skis (wife's too) have Look/Rossi pivot bindings.
post #7 of 22

I believe Rossignol is no longer branding bindings. On their web site all the bindings are Look branded. Same bindings, different names. 

Pivots are great bindings but probably more than the OP needs.

post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by freeski919 View Post
 

I have the Look PX family on most of my skis. (The Rossi Axial is just a rebranded Look PX). The 120's are a great binding, probably the best binding for the price you can usually find them at. 

 

..... I included links for both the Axial3 120 and the SPX 12. As you can see, same exact binding, just different colors and logos. 

 

 

 

 

Agree... PX/Axial was the best value in the market, never had a pre release and the bindings can take alot of abuse. By reputation alone, I ordered a SPX, just a FYI, brakes from PX/Axial fits in the Axial3/SPX. I saw an old thread here on the topic and I just confirmed it about three weeks ago. 

post #9 of 22


​I have Rossi/Look and Marker Griffon/Baron. I like both but am always impressed with the buttery smooth release of the Rossi's compared with anything else I've skied. My belief is that the smoothness equates to reduced likelihood of an unpleasant surprise. Marginal improvement at best, I know, but why not?

 

As for the length question, I have E88s and I would recommend the longer one for you. I also choose one size down for agility reasons. At 5'10 175 I'd probably be better off on the 180 instead of my 172s. At your larger size I'd feel that you should go 180. Remember that you need to look at the effective length taking into account any rocker (tip or tail) in a ski.

post #10 of 22
IMHO the bindings all meet din specs so there is little to choose between them in terms of release function. So either buy one which matches your ski colour, is on sale or is easier to get into in powder snow. For this reason I prefer the look pivot as the markers are sometimes a pita when the heel gets clogged with snow and it's too soft to really stand on them. But inbounds it's really not a big issue. Salomon ST2 and similar are also fine.

Regarding skis, I ski 170 in piste skis at 5'9 and 170 so I would think what lighter people regard as stiff skis in about 180+ given your size would be needed.

Personally I would not bother with the 88mm skis - these don't make a huge difference compared with say a 72mm standard piste ski when the snow is hard enough not to sink into. Personally I prefer my Blizzard G-power piste skis for this stuff as they are much quicker edge to edge, grip on ice and blast through crud. Also they are much easier to carve as less commitment is needed compared with wider skis. And noticeably faster when bases flat on shallow slopes.

Then if you get into soft stuff, I would recommend a ski of at least 100mm if not bigger. This is because when you start skiing soft snow you want to ski in control, i.e. Slowly, but if your skis are not surfing they will be stuck and you will fall repeatedly. So something with reverse camber or plenty tip rocker and not too stiff and at least 100mm width would be my follow-on recommendation. The yellow Rossis would be a safe bet. If you have doubts, try a back to back demo of the 88s and a 108 ski.
post #11 of 22

interesting with bindings i went for some plastic marker bindings for a couple of years, hit a rock and the dam things broke along with me having a good fall... i am now never not using metal bindings...

 

i have STH 16s on my Kartel 108s and Kung Fujas 102, Guardian 16s on my Billy Goat 118s adn then Salomon Lab bindings on my GS race skis....

 

as far as DIN goes all would suit you.... just got to watch the ceiling which you are no where near...

 

i don't know the profile of your skis you are thinking about but i am a firm believer in longer is better as skis are so easy to turn now a days... having said that i only went 186 on my new Kartels...

post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by scottydonald View Post
 

interesting with bindings i went for some plastic marker bindings for a couple of years, hit a rock and the dam things broke along with me having a good fall... i am now never not using metal bindings...

 

i have STH 16s on my Kartel 108s and Kung Fujas 102, Guardian 16s on my Billy Goat 118s adn then Salomon Lab bindings on my GS race skis....

 

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All metal bindings may not adjust down to a DIN of 6.5. The STH 16 bottoms out at 7 for example.

post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by mrfish View Post

...  the bindings all meet din specs so there is little to choose between them in terms of release function.....
 

 

 

From my own observations, I had Markers bindings years ago before the royal series. They would pre release while I was skiing hard pack/icy bumps. The damn things had no shock absorption at certain planes, it didn't take much to release with a slight jar.

 

 Look always had  elastic travel in their product family, reason why it has been a mainstay for moguls and parks. Its no wonder that when Marker introduced their royal family they made it a point to show elasticity was added in this series.  

post #14 of 22
Thread Starter 

Hi Tone, Thanks for your reply.I have been checking out Ebay and Amazon.

post #15 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiVibes View Post

Hi guys,

Looking for suggestions on ski bindings.

** I ski mostly in Colorado (Durango, Telluride) and I am planning on 18 or more ski days this year. This will be my 7th ski season and I am working on my skiing ability. This year, I plan on skiing 60% groomers (blue and smoother blacks), 20% trees (wider spacing) and 20% moguls. I plan on taking a couple of lessons to improve my ability to ski moguls and uneven terrain. Not planning on going out of bounds.

After I select the bindings, I am going to buy a pair of Rossignol Experience 88's, 172cm (2015/2016). I rented some last year and really enjoyed them. I thought it would be best to go with the 172's (instead of 180's) to help with agility.

I have been leaning toward Rossignol Axial 3 120's and Marker Griffon 13's. I am ok with paying more if the additional function is worth it.

My stats:

Height: 6'3"
Weight: 200 lbs
Age: 53
DIN: 6.5
**Level: advanced, between 6 and 7 depending on conditions. I am ok with steep and smooth, I am working on improving on uneven terrain

I would love to hear your opinions on this! Thanks

172 is wayyyyy short for you. Go longer!
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by Pacobillie View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiVibes View Post

Hi guys,

Looking for suggestions on ski bindings.

** I ski mostly in Colorado (Durango, Telluride) and I am planning on 18 or more ski days this year. This will be my 7th ski season and I am working on my skiing ability. This year, I plan on skiing 60% groomers (blue and smoother blacks), 20% trees (wider spacing) and 20% moguls. I plan on taking a couple of lessons to improve my ability to ski moguls and uneven terrain. Not planning on going out of bounds.

After I select the bindings, I am going to buy a pair of Rossignol Experience 88's, 172cm (2015/2016). I rented some last year and really enjoyed them. I thought it would be best to go with the 172's (instead of 180's) to help with agility.

I have been leaning toward Rossignol Axial 3 120's and Marker Griffon 13's. I am ok with paying more if the additional function is worth it.

My stats:

Height: 6'3"
Weight: 200 lbs
Age: 53
DIN: 6.5
**Level: advanced, between 6 and 7 depending on conditions. I am ok with steep and smooth, I am working on improving on uneven terrain

I would love to hear your opinions on this! Thanks

172 is wayyyyy short for you. Go longer!

yes

post #17 of 22
Just for more reference.

I'm 5'8 150 upper int/adv and I ski 173 lightweight ski Blizzard Bushwacker
post #18 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thank all of your for your suggestions.
Based on the comments of how well they release and the elastisity of the bindings, as well as ease of stepping into them in deeper snow, I chose the Rossignol Axial's. Also, I went with the Experience 88's at 172. I was really on the fence on which length and I may wish I would have gone with the 180's. I skied both lenghs last year (172 and 180) in similar snow conditions,air temps and on the same mountain. Based on my current ability I feel more confidence with the 172's. My weekness is uneven terrain and because the 172's were more manageable, I feel they will help me to improve and gain more confidence on the moguls and the in trees.
Thank you again!
post #19 of 22

Sounds like a very well reasoned choice. Hope it's perfect for you. Have a great season!

post #20 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks H2OnSnow.

The skis arrived and now I am more excited than before to go skiing!
post #21 of 22

Good choice.  Many also like the Head/Tyrolia bindings.

 

The Marker company is in flux.  The owner, Newell, has Marker for sale, along with the affiliated K2 and Volkl.  No one knows their future.

post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
 

Good choice.  Many also like the Head/Tyrolia bindings.

 

The Marker company is in flux.  The owner, Newell, has Marker for sale, along with the affiliated K2 and Volkl.  No one knows their future.


True. I'm not sure they'll toss Marker in the dumpster, though, if they don't find a buyer. 

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