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Looking to replace (or add new arrow to quiver) skiis - advice requested

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
  1. Where in the world are you skiing?  NE (NY, VT), rare trip out west

  2. What kinds of terrain do you prefer (groomed runs, moguls, race course, park'n'pipe, trees, steeps, backcountry/sidecountry) Ungroomed/cut up runs (60%), 20% moguls, 20% trees (glade)

  3. How many days a year do you ski? 12-15

  4. How advanced are you as a skier?  8

  5. What's your height and weight? 5'9" 175lbs

 

Looking to upgrade my skiis/bindings this year.  Probably going after a good used set of skiis at the local swap as I am in process of buying house and cash a little short.  I had been skiing a set of P40 RC Race, 170 cm.  I like how well they hold on ice and how well they behave when pushed hard and fast.  Do not want to give up much of the ability to hold an edge on ice (I keep my skiis well tuned) but interested in a little lighter more playful ski.  I like the idea of the wider waist skiis but honestly I rarely see anything over 6-8 in of ungroomed snow (much to my dismay).

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Originally Posted by bmurray View Post
 
  1. Where in the world are you skiing?  NE (NY, VT), rare trip out west

  2. What kinds of terrain do you prefer (groomed runs, moguls, race course, park'n'pipe, trees, steeps, backcountry/sidecountry) Ungroomed/cut up runs (60%), 20% moguls, 20% trees (glade)

  3. How many days a year do you ski? 12-15

  4. How advanced are you as a skier?  8

  5. What's your height and weight? 5'9" 175lbs

 

Looking to upgrade my skiis/bindings this year.  Probably going after a good used set of skiis at the local swap as I am in process of buying house and cash a little short.  I had been skiing a set of P40 RC Race, 170 cm.  I like how well they hold on ice and how well they behave when pushed hard and fast.  Do not want to give up much of the ability to hold an edge on ice (I keep my skiis well tuned) but interested in a little lighter more playful ski.  I like the idea of the wider waist skiis but honestly I rarely see anything over 6-8 in of ungroomed snow (much to my dismay).

 

P40 RC Race -- vintage skis you've been on there.  What year, sometime in the 1990s?

 

Do you want to buy a pair of skis for ungroomed cut-up runs, moguls, and trees, even though you rarely see anything like that?

Or are you looking for one ski that will do it all?

post #3 of 12

Given you are looking to buy at a swap hard to give you much advice.  Bring your smart phone and google the offerings.  Look closely at the edges for their condition.  Easier to get bad bases back than it is to get bad edges back.

 

Rental bindings are a slight negative over standard bindings.  Bring a boot so you can check if the mount might work.  Usually if the mount is close it can be made to work, but hard to generalize.

 

I would be looking for a ski 175-185 in length with a width of 80-100 based on your stated size and ability.

post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

 

P40 RC Race -- vintage skis you've been on there.  What year, sometime in the 1990s?

 

Do you want to buy a pair of skis for ungroomed cut-up runs, moguls, and trees, even though you rarely see anything like that?

Or are you looking for one ski that will do it all?

I bought them used sometime around '02. 

 

I do mostly ski groomed/mogul/glade(when avail).  occasional cut up ungroomed (again, when avail).  Usually not more than 6-8 in of snow as they groom it down, which is why I head for the glade when there is enough snow to do so.  Otherwise, I'm usually rippin it up on the edges of the trail where the loose stuff is.  Hopefully that is more clear

post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
Skiing edge of trail is where I aquired my nickname, barkeater
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by bmurray View Post
 
  1. Where in the world are you skiing?  NE (NY, VT), rare trip out west

  2. What kinds of terrain do you prefer (groomed runs, moguls, race course, park'n'pipe, trees, steeps, backcountry/sidecountry) Ungroomed/cut up runs (60%), 20% moguls, 20% trees (glade)

  3. How many days a year do you ski? 12-15

  4. How advanced are you as a skier?  8

  5. What's your height and weight? 5'9" 175lbs

 

Looking to upgrade my skiis/bindings this year.  Probably going after a good used set of skiis at the local swap as I am in process of buying house and cash a little short.  I had been skiing a set of P40 RC Race, 170 cm.  I like how well they hold on ice and how well they behave when pushed hard and fast.  Do not want to give up much of the ability to hold an edge on ice (I keep my skiis well tuned) but interested in a little lighter more playful ski.  I like the idea of the wider waist skiis but honestly I rarely see anything over 6-8 in of ungroomed snow (much to my dismay).

 

P40 RC Race -- vintage skis you've been on there.  What year, sometime in the 1990s?

 

1999-2001, you can tell the exact year by the tip width and tip protector shape.

post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post
 

 

1999-2001, you can tell the exact year by the tip width and tip protector shape.


Yeah, I'm not too concerned with id'ing my current skiis as much as trying to get some suggestions/recommendations for what to get next.  I held on to my old skiis a little too long to say the least.  The only reason I provided the information about my current skiis is so to give an idea of what I liked about them and would like in my new ski.

post #8 of 12

See if you can find a used set of Volkl Kendo's in 170cm

 

Tune them at 1 and 3, sharp tip to tail. You'll love them.

 

 

http://www.skiessentials.com/?utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Branded+-+US&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=skiessentials.com

 

Check that place out. It's Pinnacle Sports at Stowe. Great place to find new/old never skied equipment. I will say they have less stuff then when I first found their site a few years back. Great customer service too. 

 

http://www.skiessentials.com/outlet/clearance-skis.html

 

mod note: Edited to correct name of shop in Stowe

post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post
 

 

1999-2001, you can tell the exact year by the tip width and tip protector shape.


Yeah, I'm not too concerned with id'ing my current skiis as much as trying to get some suggestions/recommendations for what to get next.  I held on to my old skiis a little too long to say the least.  The only reason I provided the information about my current skiis is so to give an idea of what I liked about them and would like in my new ski.

 

Yes, I got that, but we can't give you what to look for at a swap - because we don't know what will be there or what shape it will be in.  

Say we give you a list of, oh, 200 possibles from within the last 3 seasons  - sounds good, right?  

Except you still might miss one we didn't recommend or pass one up, you still might buy one at a rotten price for the shape its in, and you still might wind up not buying something terribly good because it sounded sort of similar to what we did recommend.


But if you still want (a very small piece of) that list,

 

Atomic Vantage (several submodels here)

Blizzard Latigo

Blizzard Magnum

Dynastar Outland 87

Dynastar Powertrack 89

Elan Amphibio 82Xti/88Xti

Fischer Hybrid 8.0

Head Titan

Head Monster 83/88

K2 Aftershock

K2 AMP Rictor

Line Supernatural 92

Nordica Burner

Nordica Enforcer

Nordica Steadfast

Kastle MX83/MX88

Ramp Woodpecker

Rossignol E88

Salomon Enduro XT 850
Salomon X-Drive 8.0/8.8

Volkl Kendo

 

are all maybes- in the sense that if you got a really good deal it could be easy for you to learn to like them.   

I phrase it ^that way because the skis that will most directly feel like your old P40s are old race skis, and any versatile more generalist ski will almost require adaptation on your part (and a possible boot change).

post #10 of 12

I'm going to give a piece of general advice here, since recommending specific skis is next to useless for someone hitting up swaps. 

 

Right now, the only reason you really like the P40 is because it's what you're familiar with, and because frankly, you don't know any better. The P40 is the totally wrong tool for what you're doing, and you're going to be much better served if you scrap any thoughts comparing stuff to the P40. 

 

If you're skiing ungroomed, bumps, trees, and side of trail stuff, you absolutely want a wider ski. You want something in the low to mid 80's underfoot, at least. You want something that's going to float better, so possibly something with a little tip rocker. You still want a generous amount of camber underfoot, this is the East after all. 

 

But above all else, forget about your P40's. You've spent the last 15 years trying to butter bread with an ice pick. 

post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by freeski919 View Post
 

 

If you're skiing ungroomed, bumps, trees, and side of trail stuff, you absolutely want a wider ski. You want something in the low to mid 80's underfoot, at least. You want something that's going to float better, so possibly something with a little tip rocker. You still want a generous amount of camber underfoot, this is the East after all. 

 

 

I think you nailed it. 

I probably wouldn't go any wider than that--should work fine in 6-8 inches of new. Rent for the rare trip out west.

post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies. I wound up skipping the swap. Big ski sale happening here in Buffalo NY @ the convention center this weekend.

As to the Volk's, they are the 5th or so ski that I've owned. Life circumstances just had me hang on to them a little too long.

Again, I appreciate the info. Just seems a little strange going to be looking @ skis mid 80's wide. Time to "modernize"
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