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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

I tried searching but not much luck.   Hopefully you guys can help.

 

My daughter is going to college in Salt Lake.  After about four years of abuse, her boots are done.  Soles are shot and liner is worn out.  I need to send her somewhere to buy boots.  SHe will be going solo, since I am on the ice coast, so I need to put her into trusting hands.  Where can I send her to purchase a pair of boots where they will take the time to figure out her skiing style and to make sure she gets a properly fitting boot?  Thanks in advance.  Pete

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post #3 of 17
avoid sport loft like the plague

@Rainbow Jenny got fit into a boot at least one size too big, with the wrong last width and too stiff a flex for a petite skier

the shop was unwilling to fix the issue when she figured out what happened so she was out a lot of money

She later was fitted correctly in LA by Claude @ ski net sports

@Lorenzzo has a shop in park city if he is willing to share it
post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by near nyquist View Post

avoid sport loft like the plague

@Rainbow Jenny got fit into a boot at least one size too big, with the wrong last width and too stiff a flex for a petite skier

the shop was unwilling to fix the issue when she figured out what happened so she was out a lot of money

She later was fitted correctly in LA by Claude @ ski net sports

@Lorenzzo has a shop in park city if he is willing to share it

 

Whoa here. When it comes to bootfitting, Sports Loft is pretty damn good (from personal experience - not some he said, she said). OK, their prices are pretty mercenary, and not all fixes are included in the boot price (which are full map btw), but they are very skilled in bootfitting, so I know there's more to the story than what you said.

 

I've stopped using them after they sold me new skis that were about a mile out of tune (Ski Logik Rock Stars) , and I had to argue with them about it (even though they allege all their skis are tuned before selling), and finally got them to perform beautifully, but their bootfitting is top notch - check on TGR for references.

post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post

Whoa here. When it comes to bootfitting, Sports Loft is pretty damn good (from personal experience - not some he said, she said). OK, their prices are pretty mercenary, and not all fixes are included in the boot price (which are full map btw), but they are very skilled in bootfitting, so I know there's more to the story than what you said.

I've stopped using them after they sold me new skis that were about a mile out of tune (Ski Logik Rock Stars) , and I had to argue with them about it (even though they allege all their skis are tuned before selling), and finally got them to perform beautifully, but their bootfitting is top notch - check on TGR for references.

There was a tgr thread with a similar situation with a lot of blow back against the shop, the OP finally got his money back and removed the post

My issue is the shop blew it on the fit above
30 mm shell check is just not right.

They blew @Rainbow Jenny off claiming it was correct. Even after she pointed out the 30 mm

When you pay a shop their prices they should stand behind their work, they didn't

The OP should know this before selecting a shop that has a history of this behavior
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by near nyquist View Post

avoid sport loft like the plague

@Rainbow Jenny got fit into a boot at least one size too big, with the wrong last width and too stiff a flex for a petite skier

the shop was unwilling to fix the issue when she figured out what happened so she was out a lot of money

She later was fitted correctly in LA by Claude @ ski net sports

@Lorenzzo has a shop in park city if he is willing to share it

 

Whoa here. When it comes to bootfitting, Sports Loft is pretty damn good (from personal experience - not some he said, she said). OK, their prices are pretty mercenary, and not all fixes are included in the boot price (which are full map btw), but they are very skilled in bootfitting, so I know there's more to the story than what you said.

 

I've stopped using them after they sold me new skis that were about a mile out of tune (Ski Logik Rock Stars) , and I had to argue with them about it (even though they allege all their skis are tuned before selling), and finally got them to perform beautifully, but their bootfitting is top notch - check on TGR for references.

@near nyquist is correct.  Earl of SLC Sport Loft (recommended by a trusted local friend) put me in men's Salomon XPro 130 24.5 with 100 last and custom footbed ($1230) after my first EpicGathering at SLC in Feb 2014.   I returned to his shop 3-4 times over 2 seasons for adjustments but it's not exactly convenient to get there from Los Angeles.  I'm so much happier with Claude at SkiNet in Studio City, CA who put me in women's Lange RX 110 LV (97? last) in 23.5 w/ craftsman footbed ($730) in Nov 2015.  

 

Turns out I have relatively normal feet. I don't know why it just didn't work out for me. Earl made me feel like all my issues were due to pilot error and attempted to make some adjustments despite me questioning the 30mm and stiffness (being relatively newbie at boot fitting).  I understand Earl and his son Jeremy are experts at fitting difficult feet. They are the nicest long time family-own business with such a loyal following.  Subsequently AltaGirl on SkiDiva also spoke very highly of Earl with her difficult-to-fit feet.  

 

I've been reluctant to share my story until now because I feel so ashamed for having wasted so much $$$ like a fool.  But now, I think it's important to just put my story out there.  No, I haven't returned to Sport Loft to confront Earl again...it's also difficult to lug around two pairs of ski boots and skis when flying.  And it's just not my style or personality to be confrontational.  But perhaps I should be more assertive...

 

 

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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post

Whoa here. When it comes to bootfitting, Sports Loft is pretty damn good (from personal experience - not some he said, she said). OK, their prices are pretty mercenary, and not all fixes are included in the boot price (which are full map btw), but they are very skilled in bootfitting, so I know there's more to the story than what you said.

I've stopped using them after they sold me new skis that were about a mile out of tune (Ski Logik Rock Stars) , and I had to argue with them about it (even though they allege all their skis are tuned before selling), and finally got them to perform beautifully, but their bootfitting is top notch - check on TGR for references.

There was a tgr thread with a similar situation with a lot of blow back against the shop, the OP finally got his money back and removed the post

My issue is the shop blew it on the fit above
30 mm shell check is just not right.

They blew @Rainbow Jenny off claiming it was correct. Even after she pointed out the 30 mm

When you pay a shop their prices they should stand behind their work, they didn't

The OP should know this before selecting a shop that has a history of this behavior

And big thanks to @near nyquist and his persistence in trying to get me into better fitting boots.  I had a marvelous 50 day season skiing Japan 15, Mammoth 12, Aspen 7, AltaBird 4, JHMR 2, Sun Valley 2, Alpine Meadow, Bear Mountain, Brian Head, GT, Northstar, Powder Mountain, Snow Summit, and Squaw.


Edited by Rainbow Jenny - 9/29/16 at 3:10pm
post #7 of 17
I won't say you should avoid Sport Loft like a plague. You can make your own informed decision.

I had asked another SLC local friend for bootfiitter suggestion, she said every single bootfitter has customers who are positively and negatively vocal. And same is true with Claude.
post #8 of 17

Try Level 9 Sports.  Warning - you can't go in there without buying something.  Prices are fantastic.

 

It sorta depends on how busy they are, but I think they do a pretty good job.  The shop is a little too close to the homeless people, but once you get inside...

 

They can do Fischer vacuum boot fitting too.

 

 

Ski n see on 9400 South is another place that has both good prices and decent fitting.

post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thx for the responses.  Pete

post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by Rainbow Jenny View Post
 

@near nyquist is correct.  Earl of SLC Sport Loft (recommended by a trusted local friend) put me in men's Salomon XPro 130 24.5 with 100 last and custom footbed ($1230) after my first EpicGathering at SLC in Feb 2014.   I returned to his shop 3-4 times over 2 seasons for adjustments but it's not exactly convenient to get there from Los Angeles.  I'm so much happier with Claude at SkiNet in Studio City, CA who put me in women's Lange RX 110 LV (97? last) in 23.5 w/ craftsman footbed ($730) in Nov 2015.  

 

Turns out I have relatively normal feet. I don't know why it just didn't work out for me. Earl made me feel like all my issues were due to pilot error and attempted to make some adjustments despite me questioning the 30mm and stiffness (being relatively newbie at boot fitting).  I understand Earl and his son Jeremy are experts at fitting difficult feet. They are the nicest long time family-own business with such a loyal following.  Subsequently AltaGirl on SkiDiva also spoke very highly of Earl with her difficult-to-fit feet.  

 

I've been reluctant to share my story until now because I feel so ashamed for having wasted so much $$$ like a fool.  But now, I think it's important to just put my story out there.  No, I haven't returned to Sport Loft to confront Earl again...it's also difficult to lug around two pairs of ski boots and skis when flying.  And it's just not my style or personality to be confrontational.  But perhaps I should be more assertive...

 

And big thanks to @near nyquist and his persistence in trying to get me into better fitting boots.  I had a marvelous 50 day season skiing Japan 15, Mammoth 12, Aspen 7, AltaBird 4, JHMR 2, Sun Valley 2, Alpine Meadow, Bear Mountain, Brian Head, GT, Northstar, Powder Mountain, Snow Summit, and Squaw.

 

 

I remember that day when you shown up at GMD during the gathering with your new boot. Uncle Louie and I look at each other and shook our heads.

I distinctly remember commenting on your boot in last years gathering thread. Being stout enough to support both you and a full keg of beer. Probably pretty close to the truth.  

 

I would take that boot off your hands. The mondo sizing is in the ball park and the flex is about right. The kicker is I would prefer a narrower 96 mm last. BTW, I'm a 8-1/2 men's in street shoe and probably outweigh you by 50 lb. 

Good to see you in a more appropriate boot.. You were skiing well during the last year's gathering.   

 

Your experience doesn't mean the folks at Sports Loft are not good boot fitter. It's that their consistency leaves much to be desired.  

FWIW, it's a vote of no confidence from me. 

post #11 of 17

I would have to wonder how a 'good' -- much less excellent -- fitter could put someone into a boot that unsuitable.

post #12 of 17
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I would have to wonder how a 'good' -- much less excellent -- fitter could put someone into a boot that unsuitable.


These things happen.  I have been to all three of the top-ranked bootfitting shops around the Twin Cities, multiple times and with multiple fitters at each shop, including their most sought-after (Hinz, Rauscher, Nelson, for locals).   None of the results were completely satisfactory, especially not on the first visit.   One didn't listen, just stuck some heel lifts in my boots and said "see how that works."   Poorly, was the answer---I eventually ended up raising the toes of the boots about 5mm.   One shop sold me two different boots a couple of years apart, neither of which ever fit properly.  The first pair was at least partly my fault---I was brand new to skiing and didn't know what I was feeling or what to ask for.   But both pairs were at least a size too large.  The third shop tried to sell me a pair that was at least a size too large, by my own shell fit (and subsequently confirmed by the fact that I fit just fine in the next size down), then suggested I pad out the heel and ankle with foam.   As Rocket J. Squirrel would say, "But that trick never works!"  Didn't this time, either.

 

My current setup is boots recommended by one of those guys, but one size smaller than they offered to sell me, apparently because they had the larger model in stock (this also means I paid for all the subsequent modifications).  Canted on both feet by a degree or so, lifted at the toe as described above (so, the shop did some alignment work, which really did seem to help).  And with aftermarket liners (Zipfit) that I identified as a possible solution to the floating heel, I found on the net (on epic, actually), I installed and tweaked (adding even more filler).

 

All of these shops, all of these guys, have great reputations.   Dave Hinz is the "boot whisperer."  Brad Nelson is a certified pedorthist, a great listener, and knows how to match feet to boots.  Joe's is listed as Master Bootfitters.   And I'm not saying any of them are bad.

 

But I will say:

 

1) Your experience may be nothing like somebody else's experience at the same shop and with the same guy.

 

2) If you don't know what you want or how to ask for it, you probably won't get it.  This is a really serious problem with starting skiing as an adult, because poorly-suited equipment will interfere with learning enough to know what good equipment would feel like.

 

3) If you find someone you click with, hang onto them.

post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by jimintokyo View Post
 

I would have to wonder how a 'good' -- much less excellent -- fitter could put someone into a boot that unsuitable.

 

Perhaps he wasn't working as a fitter that day. Probably just working his primary duty of a shop owner that needed to clear some inventory. 

post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by SlowObstacle View Post

 

1) Your experience may be nothing like somebody else's experience at the same shop and with the same guy.

 

2) If you don't know what you want or how to ask for it, you probably won't get it.  This is a really serious problem with starting skiing as an adult, because poorly-suited equipment will interfere with learning enough to know what good equipment would feel like.

 

3) If you find someone you click with, hang onto them.

Thinking about this a bit more off-line, it really struck me just how much the points above, meant to apply to your relationship with a bootfitter, could apply to, well, relationships.

 

Yikes.

post #15 of 17
DaleBoot! Right in SLC.
post #16 of 17
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DaleBoot! Right in SLC.

 

A bit of overkill based on someone who doesn't display a huge problem, no?

 

Along those lines however, there are two Surefoot shops in SLC, one at Park City and one at the Old Canyons base, and they've done great things for me, and I have been in a lot of semi-custom and custom boots over the years. Right, sometimes they don't get a lot of love here, but I have to say that they're the best fitting boots I've had in 42 years of skiing. An added bonus is that they also have least coast shops in NYC and K-Mart, so additional adjustments are available locally.

 

Assuming you're looking at not-too-weird feet, then there's plenty of stores in Park City and the Cottonwoods area that are quite adept at fitting boots for all but the most Frankenfeet types.

post #17 of 17
You don't need foot problems to take advantage of a completely custom boot for about the same price or less than an off the shelf boot and a lot less than Surefoot. Yes any decent shop fitter can probably set him up but when you have DaleBoot in your back yard you should at least consider it, no?
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